Not sure what you have been reading. The GTX460 overclocks very easily to beat stock 5850s and approaches the 5870 in quite a few benchmarks. Make sure you get the 1GB model. The 470 is better but as said above runs much hotter. If you plan to Sli get 2 x GTX 460 1GB models. Sli scales alot better than Crossfire as well. Much better value!