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No way. People are inherently lazy. Its easier being greedy. So we automatically become greedy and self-centered unless we work hard to become caring and to some extent, selfless.

If money is removed from the equation, being greedy becomes much harder. So, not in a million years.

Unless of course, an alien race pops by and says,

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Thats the only way, we'll rid ourselves from money. Actually it may be even harder. Our politicians, will insist we need money unless the alians specifically say lose your currency system.


<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

Don't get me wrong. Not, lazy as in I can't be bothered to do this, so I won't. More like, I don't want to this, I'm just doing it cos there are immediate concequences. Very few people do things because they actually deeply want to do it.

Being lazy does have its advantages though. It has been the primary reason for many great inventions. So we have to work less. Doesn't always work that way. nowadays, almost all inventions are for financial gain.

Also people block inventions and progress because it will result in financial loss. e.g. Oil companies, RIAA, MPAA etc.

There have been many issues in the past regarding advent of technology that replaces human labour. Many places the fears turned out to be false.

Assembly line workers getting replaced by robots, typing pools getting replaced by a small number of printers running from one or more computers etc.

In many places robots would be far more expensive than human. From a cost benifit point of view, I don't think any robot would be able to compete with the 10 year old kid in bangladesh putting together the next nike top or shoe earning 5 to 10p a day.

Robots are expensive because of the required initial investment followed by regular power-consumption and maintenance costs.

We live in a extreme capitalist world, where we apparantly need to have a million people dying of poverty in order to have a billionaire. Thats supposed to be right, and I don't see that changing in my lifetime, or the next few generations for that matter.


<b><font color=red>"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."</font color=red><font color=blue> - Benjamin Franklin</font color=blue></b>

How about the people that work harder, but receive far less, if nothing at all?

I can, in a very very very far away future, forsee something else. Humanity is, after all, striving for perfection. If we ever reach it,(something I doubt very much) money will have no place there.

<b> A mosquito is just a small woodpecker. </b>

Can't live without some form of barter and exchange.

Salt, Coins, Notes & favours....it's all currency.

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So basically Communism with robots providing the labour instead of humans.....

If you can genetically breed out the greed, jealousy and pride factors in humans, you may have a chance.

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My god man, you're a bloody genius.

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We have systems on Earth in which people are not rewarded more or less than those that work harder or less harder than them. It's called socialism and communism. Both systems suck. They breed stupidity and laziness. How many people on welfare do you know that are changing the world?

A world without money? How do you motivate people? A select few people have lived on this Earth and worked for it's greater good. You can probably count them on your fingers and toes. What about the other billions and billions of people?

People need to be told that they do a good job, they need to be patted on the back, they need to be given something that they can touch and feel in order to know that they did a good job. If you don't have money you're going to have to give them something else. What do you propose? The Star Trek system is about the only thing that I could imagine working but you would need a war of epic proportions in order to purge the greediest of man. What you're asking for is a revolution of mankind.

Getting rid of money is on par with getting rid of religion. Not everyone is willing or even capable of thinking deeper than what the bible or some preacher tells them and not everyone is willing to work their whole life without being rewarded more or less than the guy next to them.

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With 95% of the globe religious I beg to differ. I think they're pretty comparable. I at least couldn't imagine a world without money having religion. They both will have to go. Religion breeds ignorance and ignorant people will never give up money.

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religion breeds ignorance?????????? i take offence to that.

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Root causes of ignorance? Parents, teachers, and role models. Since religion is tied into all of those I think religion plays a big part. Of course getting rid of one won't get rid of the other.

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What are you talking about?

Islam? I'm not talking about one religion. I'm talking about all of them.

Scientology, Catholism, Christianity, 7th Day adventists, Islam, etc etc.

I don't see them doing us any good. I see them breeding ignorance.

The political situation is another situation all together. The violence is just a product of the ignorance.

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I'll start by saying that most people, including *you*, are ignorant. I would say I'm ignorant about a lot of things.

Ignorance is the refusal of people to think. You, IMO, don't think about a lot of the things you say. Most your political discussions, for example, are taken straight out of a propaganda text-book. You refuse to question the things your government and your leaders tell you. They are, <i>par defaut</i>, right. How is that any different to what you call religion?

I see religion as the refusal to admit that life is more than the physical, material world we live in. I refuse to believe that my life has no purpose. Religion is faith. How you express that faith is of far less importance.

I am Christian. I was born in a Christian country all my ancestors were Christians. I have no reason to question my fate. Especially since Christian doctrine makes a lot of sense if you don't take things at face value. You can't take things in the Bibel literally, that would be 'ignorant'. But most of the moral doctrine makes a lot of sense if you'd ever bothered to sit down and think things through.

So, after thinking long and hard about religion, faith and my place in the world, I have come a number of logical conclusions. How does that make me ignorant?


<b> A mosquito is just a small woodpecker. </b>

I'm not big on sucking dicks... Do you have tities?

<b> A mosquito is just a small woodpecker. </b>

The bible is a story. It's a very good one though. There's a reason it's popular. People want to believe in it. They want to believe that they aren't insignificant specs of dust in a vast universe so large that the human mind can't even grasp it.

Nothing is 100% certain. However, the bible is not like science. Science is not a story. Science is based on fact. The bible is based on faith. My issue is when fact and faith are mixed. That's ignorant. Don't get me wrong though. Looking at science as fact forever is ignorant as well. Science is constantly changing as we find better ways to explain the universe.

I also don't believe that we are inherintly ignorant. However, if you're raised from birth, being told ignorant things, then odds are you will believe that. There is probably nothing that I can say that would make you believe that your precious bible is not perfect. In your mind it is a book of wisdom brought to us from God and it shares with all of mankind..yada yada yada. Even though you just said that we're all ignornant I doubt you'd be willing to admit that the bible was written by fallible ignorant men just like the ones that you think we are.

I get a kick out of this everytime. It's kinda like Paul didn't steal all the treasure that he collected for all those years. He lost it while crossing the desert. The records just stop mentioning all the money but no religious person would dare suggest that maybe he stole it. He couldn't possibly have been motivated by greed like the horrible men of today could he? He was surely so much wiser.

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When you are born you know nothing. Ergo, you are ignorant of <i> everything </i>. Simple as that.

The bible is not perfect. Everyone is fallible. <i>But</i> it has been a guide to a large part of humanity for thousands of years. I am not going to say that all those people through the ages were ignorant. We know no more than they did about the things that really matter. All our scientific 'facts' amount to nothing in human terms.

<b> A mosquito is just a small woodpecker. </b>

Religion can be used as a tool to exert control over people. That's not a problem with religion, that's a problem with people.

Religion is an excuse for violence. Wars have been fought because people have different beliefs. Again, though, that is a problem with people, not with religion.

You blame all the world's woes on religion... yet you fail to realize what is at the root of religion... people. If people didn't have religion to excuse their actions, they would have something else. The other thing you fail to realize is that if everyone actually followed the precepts of their religion, we really would be better off. Peace, forgiveness, etc... all qualities we should strive for.

People will do what they do with or without religion. Just like money, it's a form of control over others.

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I was raised to believe that if I ever need anything I turn to my family. My family has always been there for me. Whether I need support, money, or just someone to talk to I turn to my family. I would assume that the same is true for all of us. What is it that religion can provide that is above and beyond that?

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Friends. I knew someone would say that so I kept that in my bag of tricks

My friends have been there for me as well.

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My friends and family provide me with everything I need short of what a wife/girlfriend can provide.

Religion destroying humanity? I said it breeds hate and ignorance. Whether you choose to believe that it's the people or the religion, I say that the people are doing it in the name of religion and that's the same thing. Religion is nothing without the people so obviously the people are the ones responsable.

It doesn't have to be something as significant as the Taliban or Al Queda.

It could be something as stupid as a Jewish family who doesn't want their son or daughter marrying a non-Jew. It could be that poor Mormon family who couldn't pay their 15% fee to the church and were kicked out. It could be the fool who believes that the Earth is 7000 years old. It might be the guy who forces his daughter to give birth to a child concieved by rape. It could be forced female circumcision. It could be the refusal to use a condom.

All of it is ignorant, hatefull, useless, and common.

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People don't need religion to be totally ignorant.

Learn the meaning of the word weltanschauung. It will answer many of your biases on this topic.

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I agree.

I think religion is contributing to ignorance though by instilling in people's minds ideas and values that are destructive. They are told things their whole lives under the geiss of religion that aren't exactly helpfull or healthy.

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Hindsight is 20/20 but it's a good way to see how some would try to motivate others, either because they fear the alternative or because they have been convinced that their truth is the real truth.

Famous saying time:-

A clever man only believes half of what he is told.

A wise man knows which half to believe.

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