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June 17, 2010 10:11:34 PM

Ok ive seen the GTX 285 is around same price as the GTX 470 and the GTX 465 is much cheaper so whats the best?

I see alot better speeds on the 400 series but in games do they play much better?

I know the 400 is dx 11 so it would of been better then my GTX 285 but it was a replacement by warranty from PNY over my 9800GX2.

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a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2010 10:33:44 PM

i really feel that a 465 would be a step sideways, from the 285 maybe a slight step backwards. personally at the least i would move to a 5850, which is leaps and bonds ahead of the 465, or 470 is also very good performance for the price from the nivida camp,

but seriously the 465 may be the worst card for the money of this generation, even the 5830 which IMO held that position, until the 465 came along, the 5830 which i thought bad is 50 bucks cheaper then the 465 and often beats it in many benchs
June 17, 2010 10:35:21 PM

Yeh i thought the 285 would be better but whats with the 465 having better clock speeds?

Honestly whats the best speed to have memory or shader?

Tell me the most important thing that should be high on GPUZ to define a good card.

I see 8800gt with better shader clocks then my 285?

I know theres cores and pipelines ect so whats the main one?
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a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2010 10:52:08 PM

it's really hard to compare cards from different architecture, the 8800 is based on the g90 the 285 is based on the gt200 and all the fermi's out now are all based on the gf100 chip. really the best way is to just look at benchs,

But within the same architecture you can compare based on clocks, number of core and memory throughput, and totally vram. but when you look between architecture that all goes out the window.
June 17, 2010 10:54:40 PM

Lol ok, just ive been doing it with the 285 and the 5850 and by the specs, the 5850 should totally kill the 285 but there around the same up or down with certain games.

Still i would pref a 5850 since DX 11 and cooler also the price was cheaper, PNY dont make ATI cards?
June 17, 2010 10:55:25 PM

gtx470 is the best out of them but its not worth upgrading to it from a gtx 285
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2010 11:07:43 PM

maybe i've misunderstood your question, do you currently have a 285 or a 9800gtx X2

and are you paying for the upgrade or is this a replacement provided by pny?
June 17, 2010 11:08:28 PM

GTX 465 is worst buy, save money if you can and buy GTX 470 is much better card.
June 17, 2010 11:10:21 PM

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GTX 465 has been unlocking with a bios flash to a 470

Is this true?
June 17, 2010 11:10:39 PM

ALL my games run max on my GTX 285 with my Q9450 at 3.4, im just asking some questions thats all :) 

Also to the above how can it be true if there different chips lol?
June 17, 2010 11:12:33 PM

The 470 and 480 are based off of the gf100 technology where the 465 is based off of the gt200 core. This is why the 465 is much cheaper.

Honestly it's all about what you plan on doing with it. If your current games are just playing poorly you need to look at 2 factors to this: CPU and video card. Determine which is the bottle neck first before making a huge leap.

You can get the 470 but it might be bottlenecked with your cpu. So do some research and check benchmarks on both cpu and video card before making that decision. You might be able to get away with the 465 if your cpu is slow.

Good luck!

weehamish said:
Ok ive seen the GTX 285 is around same price as the GTX 470 and the GTX 465 is much cheaper so whats the best?

I see alot better speeds on the 400 series but in games do they play much better?

I know the 400 is dx 11 so it would of been better then my GTX 285 but it was a replacement by warranty from PNY over my 9800GX2.

June 17, 2010 11:14:20 PM

Impossible because the 470 is a different technology than the 465. They're actually completely different cards.

Misko195 said:
Is this true?

June 17, 2010 11:16:23 PM

Also to the above how can it be true if there different chips lol? said:
Also to the above how can it be true if there different chips lol?

Yes, it's little stranger.
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2010 11:22:18 PM

xxsk8er101xx said:
The 470 and 480 are based off of the gf100 technology where the 465 is based off of the gt200 core. This is why the 465 is much cheaper.

Honestly it's all about what you plan on doing with it. If your current games are just playing poorly you need to look at 2 factors to this: CPU and video card. Determine which is the bottle neck first before making a huge leap.

You can get the 470 but it might be bottlenecked with your cpu. So do some research and check benchmarks on both cpu and video card before making that decision. You might be able to get away with the 465 if your cpu is slow.

Good luck!

YOUR MISTAKEN
The 465 is 100% definitely a Fermi GF100 gpu, it has disabled cores, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series
Quote:
The Fermi chip is large: 512 stream processors, in sixteen groups of 32, and 3.0 billion transistors, manufactured by TSMC in a 40 nanometer process. It is Nvidia's first chip to support Direct3D 11. At launch, no product was available with all the stream processors active: the GTX 480 has one group disabled, the GTX 470 has two groups and one memory controller disabled, and the GTX 465 has five groups and two memory controllers disabled. Consumer GeForce cards come with 256MB attached to each of the enabled GDDR5 memory controllers, for a total of 1.5, 1.25 or 1.0GB; the Tesla C2050 has 512MB on each of six controllers, and the Tesla C2070 has 1024MB per controller. Both the Tesla cards have fourteen active groups of stream processors.
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 17, 2010 11:29:03 PM

xxsk8er101xx said:
Impossible because the 470 is a different technology than the 465. They're actually completely different cards.

a c 271 U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 12:11:39 AM

Misko195 said:
Maybe @Mousemonke...

Here on this link is GTX400 chip

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=631&card2...

Here ya go:-

And here is the article for you to have a read of, it even has pictures of a GTX475 and GTX465's GPU for those who can't understand all the words. Why read when there are things to stare at?
June 18, 2010 12:21:34 AM

Ya I think I was thinking of something else. It's been awhile since I've read the article. Now i'm curious what that was.

notty22 said:
YOUR MISTAKEN
The 465 is 100% definitely a Fermi GF100 gpu, it has disabled cores, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series
Quote:
The Fermi chip is large: 512 stream processors, in sixteen groups of 32, and 3.0 billion transistors, manufactured by TSMC in a 40 nanometer process. It is Nvidia's first chip to support Direct3D 11. At launch, no product was available with all the stream processors active: the GTX 480 has one group disabled, the GTX 470 has two groups and one memory controller disabled, and the GTX 465 has five groups and two memory controllers disabled. Consumer GeForce cards come with 256MB attached to each of the enabled GDDR5 memory controllers, for a total of 1.5, 1.25 or 1.0GB; the Tesla C2050 has 512MB on each of six controllers, and the Tesla C2070 has 1024MB per controller. Both the Tesla cards have fourteen active groups of stream processors.

June 18, 2010 12:39:48 AM

It happens. It's not like you killed someone or busted a pipe causing 60k barrels of oil to leak a day ruining thousands of peoples lives. It's all about perspective.

Misko195 said:
I made mistake with previous link :pt1cable: 

And yes you'r right....

a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 1:35:18 AM

xxsk8er101xx said:
The 470 and 480 are based off of the gf100 technology where the 465 is based off of the gt200 core. This is why the 465 is much cheaper.

Honestly it's all about what you plan on doing with it. If your current games are just playing poorly you need to look at 2 factors to this: CPU and video card. Determine which is the bottle neck first before making a huge leap.

You can get the 470 but it might be bottlenecked with your cpu. So do some research and check benchmarks on both cpu and video card before making that decision. You might be able to get away with the 465 if your cpu is slow.

Good luck!


this is blatantly false it is based on the gf100 core

if you'll look at the fermi wikipeida page, it shows that the 465 is based off the same core as the 470 and 480
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 1:37:00 AM

sorry i thought i got to the bottom of the page, but someone already correct it
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 4:23:20 PM

Misko195 said:
maybe, but men this is soo risky... And you can't be sure that will work correctly after flashing BIOS, right?


this is just like unlocking cores on the amd processors. except the yields on the fermi unlike the now mature phenoms is still very low So i'm sure the vast majority are 465 not because they need a new price point but because they have all these half crippled chips
June 18, 2010 4:36:05 PM

jonnyboyC said:
this is just like unlocking cores on the amd processors. except the yields on the fermi unlike the now mature phenoms is still very low So i'm sure the vast majority are 465 not because they need a new price point but because they have all these half crippled chips

Men, what you talking about. It's not like unlocked core of AMD.

This is much different!!!
Read review about that..
a c 271 U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 4:56:13 PM

Misko195 said:
Men, what you talking about. It's not like unlocked core of AMD.

This is much different!!!
Read review about that..

Aside from being a BIOS flash as opposed to changing a setting within a BIOS's options list, its kind of exactly thing same thing.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 6:11:08 PM

it's really just a different means to achieve the same thing, trying to activate cores that may still be operational, but the big differences is the yield on fermis are so much less then the yeilds on AMD's cpus so there more then likely a far smaller chance of an unlock compared to AMD's cpus which at beast may be a 50:50 shot
June 18, 2010 8:49:19 PM

This post has gone way offtopic, the 465 and 470 are not far apart and not that far apart on prices either so why bother talking about all this when £50 more can get you the 470?

Really guys try stay on topic, its pointless anyways when the 5850 kills both cards for cheaper!!!!!!
June 18, 2010 9:07:02 PM

Wow 1 website lol, i own a GTX 285 and have never owned an ATI card part the crappy x600 in my old PC world pc, so im a ATI fanboy? ok mate.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 9:34:18 PM

weehamish said:
Wow 1 website lol, i own a GTX 285 and have never owned an ATI card part the crappy x600 in my old PC world pc, so im a ATI fanboy? ok mate.


The criticisms were for your statements, not for what you own :) 
The 465+470 are neither priced or perform the same.
The 470 out performs the 5850, which before the 470 came along was the most popular enthusiast card (it still maybe). But its just a testament to how good the 470 also is.
Both can be had for less monies lately.
I've seen many deals to get a 470 for 300 VS 350.
And now I've seen a couple 270.00 5850's again.
http://promotions.newegg.com/brandMKT/Newspaper0614/061...
June 18, 2010 10:10:48 PM

And the 5850 does the job for less cash in 99% of the games out there lol, if the new fermi cards never beat the old now 58xx id be worried for Nvidia and they beat them by not so much!

Wait untill the ATI *fermi* is released then ATI is back on top, ATI is newer cooler chips, Nvidia are beasts of burden yet good but cost a tonne and heat up fast.

Fermi is a real dissapointment to me and most of you i bet deep down you all expected alot more, the GTX 285 is nearly on par witht he 470 for godsakes, wow its DX 11, still by next year when i maybe need to upgrade the 470 will be pennies.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2010 10:43:19 PM

weehamish said:
And the 5850 does the job for less cash in 99% of the games out there lol, if the new fermi cards never beat the old now 58xx id be worried for Nvidia and they beat them by not so much!

Wait untill the ATI *fermi* is released then ATI is back on top, ATI is newer cooler chips, Nvidia are beasts of burden yet good but cost a tonne and heat up fast.

Fermi is a real dissapointment to me and most of you i bet deep down you all expected alot more, the GTX 285 is nearly on par witht he 470 for godsakes, wow its DX 11, still by next year when i maybe need to upgrade the 470 will be pennies.

Since you asked me, no. I don't think you have any facts correct. lol
What I think , my expectations, your view of the current gpu situation :) 
Quote:
ATI is newer cooler chips

Which one is shinier ?
June 18, 2010 11:58:25 PM

Ok big man.
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