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July 26, 2010 12:22:51 AM

Sorry about not posting the other information before. I completely over looked the template that was there.


This is my first post but am getting more interested in computer hardware so hopefully it won't be the only one for awhile.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Most likely the last week of August.

BUDGET RANGE: $2500ish, possibly up to $3400. Have a $2500ish rig made at the moment.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, mouse, speakers(maybe need if someone suggests a good one for the audio card), gamepad

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, unless someone knows of a cheaper place.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: Listed all the ones I see as possible below.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, first time doing it so will see.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200, if not higher

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Have comments on each component so that should be easier to read.

Anyways, I am building a new computer, and it is the first one that I will be putting together. It is going to be a gaming PC and I have read most of the articles around the site and have used most of the suggestions/graphs to make up my mind on what to pick, but I am still ify on most of the stuff I am choosing. I'll put all the of the things I have chosen at the moment and comment on what I am unsure of on each one as well. Sorry in advance if something was located some where else that I am asking, I am pretty sure I have gotten everything I can but I could of overlooked something.

Price that I am fine with is $2500-$3000 at the moment, these components add up to around $2500ish at the moment but I have $2700 to spend and maybe even up to $3400 by the end of the summer so I may upgrade some of these components.

Video Card
2x Newegg.com - HIS H487QT1GP Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support IceQ 4+ Turbo Video Card
I'm not to sure on if I need all this or not, the game I will be playing(for sure that is) will be Final Fantasy XIV when it comes out in two months. I have also heard that some programs/games don't support SLI/Crossfire so that would be a turn off as well to get two. I also have heard that one good card is better then two lower cards in SLi/Crossfire and I read up on it alittle bit but I couldn't come up with a clear answer.

CPU
Newegg.com - Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
The only problem I am having with this is: is Intel the way to go? I have seen people say that Intel's processors are better and then others say AMD is the same except less money. I have always felt that Intel was better in general but that is merely because I have never had any experience with AMD at all.

Memory
Newegg.com - OCZ Platinum 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV12GS
I really do not know what to look for with memory. CAS Latency and such I know is something to compare against other memory but I don't know what company is better or which ones are horrible and so on and so fourth.

Motherboard
Newegg.com - ASUS Rampage III Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
I am pretty sure this motherboard works with everything(with the Intel processor that I have up there I mean), but I am merely interested if this is a good choice or not.

Sound Card
Newegg.com - Creative PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series Sound Card
I have heard that having a dedicated audio card makes a big difference with sound but at the same time people say the ones on the motherboard is fine so I don't quite know what to do here. If need be, can just get it later.

CD/DVD Drive
Newegg.com - LG Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD Burner - Bulk LightScribe Support - CD / DVD Burners
Really don't see anything wrong with this one. It seems all of them are quite cheap so shouldn't have to worry about it. I don't think I will need Blu-ray but at the same time, everything is going that way so if someone has a better suggestion then I may go with that.

Harddrive(SSD)
Newegg.com - Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2M080G2XX 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - SSD
I have heard people saying that a SSD for programs and OS is good and then have another big one like a 1TB drive for everything else. I really don't know what to do here since the one SSD from Intel I have here at the moment is a lower one. I was looking for a 160G one and that would work for now and I guess if I found that I was starting to use more then I thought could just get a big harddrive? I have doubts as well if I should go with SSD or if I should go for RAID config, still ify on that as well.

Cases
Newegg.com - Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Newegg.com - Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Newegg.com - Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
These are still up in the air and as one can tell I like blue and black combo so that is why I choose them. I looked at each one and if seems I am not reading the specs on each one correctly cause I am unsure if they will work with what I will have in them. Also, I don't know if someone has a better suggestion for a case but I am open to them as well.

Power Supply
Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series RSA00-80GAD3-US 1000W ATX 12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
I assume this should work for everything but I am unsure on how much power I need to have for the whole computer.

Monitor
Newegg.com - ASUS VW266H Black 25.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers w/ component connector
This is a monitor that I thought looked good but I haven't been able to find a current review on what to look for in a monitor. I looked around a good bit but I guess either there isn't one or I overlooked it.

Operating System
Windows 7 Pro
Pretty much straight forward here. Unless someone can suggest a better place to buy it then Newegg then don't see anything else here.

Other Components
I have a keyboard, mouse, gamepad, etc. already so don't have to worry about those.

Edit: I just remembered I forgot to ask about what cooling should I go for? Saw one thread before I posted this one that suggested air over liquid but I thought it was the other way around? Any suggestions would be welcomed.

Thanks in advance for any help with this. Hopefully I provided everything that is needed, if not just tell me. :D 
July 26, 2010 1:20:12 AM

Sorry about not posting the first bit for asking for help, completely missed that.
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July 26, 2010 1:48:18 AM

IMO i would make a few changes, this is what i would do for 2500




SAMSUNG CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223C - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151192
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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$19.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811119160
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant $159.99
$139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148433
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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$74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS VW266H Black 25.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
Item #: N82E16824236047
Return Policy: Monitor Standard Return Policy
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-$40.00 Instant
$30.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$329.99
$289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SAPPHIRE 100280SR Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ...
Item #: N82E16814102887
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
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-$20.00 Instant $699.99
$679.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817139011
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$189.99
$169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound
Item #: N82E16835154003
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$2.00 Instant $6.99
$4.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Mushkin Enhanced Redline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 998805
Item #: N82E16820226121
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131641
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
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$239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
Item #: N82E16819115225
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
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$289.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Noctua NH-U12P SE2 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835608014
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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$74.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820167023
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
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-$30.00 Instant $249.99
$219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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CPU Mag Gift - 6 issues of CPU Magazine
Item #: N82E16800995076
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$35.94 Saving $35.94
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Subtotal: $2,504.87

you could look for combos also to lower cost ( dont have the time atm to find them )

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July 26, 2010 2:09:07 AM

So from what you have I guess you think that the dedicated sound card is not needed?

Is the timing of 6-8-6-24/CAS 6 only alittle bit better then 7-7-7-24/CAS 7 or is it quite noticeable? And was the memory choose even going to work with the motherboard? I noticed it said triple channel supported on the other motherboard I had but the 12G ones was hexa-channel, so guess it wouldn't of worked?

Is there anything special about the case you choose other then being cheaper then the Antec Twelve Hundred Full Tower? It looks like the Antec has more fans but I know that doesn't mean better airflow, but I would assume it should have it. I don't see anything else but could be overlooking something.

Forgot to put down any type of thermal compound heh.

If I have more money I guess I should either put it into the processor or memory correct? The video card you choose pretty much beats the crap out of everything so shouldn't have to worry about that. I hope to be able to make a alittle bit more money before summer's end, so most likely another $700-900 hopefully.
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July 26, 2010 4:49:29 AM

Yes the timming of the 6-8-6-24 are only a little better but when you try to OC the CPU the lower CL ram will help to get the best OC out of the CPU.

This ram would also work just fine http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I IMO would stay away from OCZ ram ATM

Both cases would work well

You dont need anymore memory then 6 gigs for gaming even that is more then enough, the CPU is a good gaming CPU, anything you upgrade from this system or price point will only bring you very small amounts of gain and will not be a good bang for your buck.

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July 26, 2010 4:52:33 AM

Oh the SC most onboard sound is more then enough for today, it has came along way and for most users is fine. if you dont like the onboard sound you can always upgrade it at a latter time, but i would save the 200 bucks.
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July 26, 2010 12:23:32 PM

Ok, didn't know that with cpu OC. Good to know heh.

That other ram you have there I was looking at one point as well. But the one you choose does seem to be better all around.

Ok, I most likely will go with the Antec one just because I like blue heh. I guess if I really wanted the other one it could be possible to such out the red lights with blue but meh.

Upgradewise, memory I can see being fine and either way I can just add in more ram at any point if really need it so I guess I should be fine there. The CPU I was wondering about because, as far as I can see, the only one that I think I would see any huge difference in performance would be the new hexacore ones but they are $1000ish so that would be a good amount of money there. The motherboard for this CPU works for the newer hexacore ones as well so I am thinking I am fine again if later on I decide to upgrade that.

A question about OCing, do I need any thrid party cooler for the ram/gpu or is there even ones out there for them? I figure that would be the only other thing to go for would just things to make it easier to OC.

Oh, and with the sound card, I've been using the onboard ones for awhile and it seems fine to me but I was just curious what others would think of the subject.

Edit: Just thought of something else, if I should hold off on the upgrade for the cpu, maybe I should put it into a bigger/better monitor? I am looking around on newegg at the moment for one but again, don't really know what to look for that makes a monitor 'better' other then higher resolutions.

Edit Again: I was looking at the G.Skill ram again and now I have a question. What does the 2N at the end of timings mean? Also, you said that they would both work well but which one would choose? The mushkin one seems to be alittle better then the g. skill one but I am just interested in others opinions at the moment since I do not trust my own at the moment heh.
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July 26, 2010 1:41:07 PM

here is the best build for the money


cpu&mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

gpu&os: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ssd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (maybe a little bit slower than the intel but it's 128gb and very high quality. and imo anything less than 100gb for an ssd isn't worth the money because ssd's need free space to be faster. and this ssd is cheaper than the intel)

hsf: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (this can get you to 4ghz no prob. especialy if u add 2 scythe s-flex fans to it)

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (these are the best kits i've ever seen my friend has them running at cl6 1866 @1.65v. and it's cheaper and more high quality than the mushkins)

psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (same quality as the corsair)

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (best bang for the buck case ever made)

monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Subtotal: $2,288.89 before rebates
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July 26, 2010 2:28:23 PM

I was going to get the one intel ssd that was the same type but had like 160Gs I think. I couldn't find it on newegg but it was used in the tests for ssds here at tom's. From the looks of it, the intel did alot better then the western digital one and the extra money is not that big of a deal for the added performance. Seems crucial's one is better then the intel one it seems at some points but it doesn't seem to stay the same after being used for awhile. Price wise it is alittle bit more but from the looks of it I think I will stick with the intel one and try to get the 160G one if possible, don't know how much more it will be but if it is too much will try for something else. Intel's just seems the best all around one. I think I read the report for those correctly but I guess I could of misread something.

Edit: I think this may be the one I was looking for?

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH160G2R5 2.5" 160GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

It is around $200 more though, so don't know about that. But then the crucial one is around that too, alittle cheaper but meh.

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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July 26, 2010 5:42:13 PM

Sorry took alittle long to respond, was basically walking out the door when I responded before heh.

I'll have to look at SSDs more before deciding on which to go with. Those two and the one crucial ssd seem to be the ones to look at more.

I had not looked for combos yet but that one with the video card is nice. Only $10 but meh, still nice.

Over all everything looks nice but the memory you choose does go down in timings and CAS compared to the mushkin ones. I am pretty sure I am going to go for a antec case, ended up seeing one of the midtower ones in a store and I liked how they looked so though yours is cheaper, I do like how the other ones look :D  .

The motherboards don't look like there is much of a difference between them, and price wise they are only alittle off as well. Unless others have opinions of using one over the other either one will do fine.

The CPU cooler looks nice, the other one that niklas posted had 2 fans though which I would assume would help make it cooler. That is just common sense for me, but I could be wrong as well. Again, I don't have any experience with any companies/components so heh.

Not a huge difference in power supplies, both look fine. Only difference is $20 it seems to me.

Hdd the same as well just like $10 or something difference.

Everything seems good to me other then those few things I mentioned. Going up to $2500 with the things here and there being alittle better is not that big of a deal to me. I may even be able to spend up to $3000 depending on how the rest of the summer works out for me.
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July 26, 2010 6:08:29 PM

1- if u want the fastest ssd get the ocz vertex 2 (very expensive).

2- yes my friend have them stable at 1.65v and i saw review of them (i can't remember where. they managed to set it at 6 7 6 24 at 1.65v.

3- the 5970 will barely fit in the antec 1200/902 and it will not have room to breath (run hot)
but it will fit nicely in the haf 922

4- the mobo i mentioned is a tom's hardware recommended (it oces better and has a better bios).

5- yes the nactua will outpreform the preforma by 1-4 degrees (but when u add another fan to the preforma they will have the same performance).

6- the psu's are both the same quality ( the 2 r made by seasonic) but i think i read a review about the xfx where it has better voltage regulation.

7- yes the f3 has the same performance of the seagate.

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July 26, 2010 7:45:10 PM

1. Talking about this ssd?
OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTX100G 2.5" 100GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

2. Is the information on CAS and timings what the memory starts out as on newegg? Wouldn't I be able to overclock the other ones to better CAS/timings if they start at lower or is that information not correct?

3. Saying from what the dimensions are, seems would be 2 inches smaller length wise, which from your picture does look like it would cause a problem since it barely fits there. Have you tried to put one into a antec 1200/902 or are you just saying it from what I am looking at too? Am just wondering because it looks like it could be possible to have it go under the trays there, not quite sure from the pictures on newegg though.
Edit: Just saw there is a blue haf 932, which I assume is the next one up, and that one looks quite nice and is even alittle bit bigger then that one. It is alittle bit more money but I can throw in extra on a case that I like the look of :D  .

4. Ah, well if that is the case then I am fine with going with that then over the other ones.

5. Meh, so would end up being the same or nearer to the same price when you add another fan then? Might as well just go with the nactua then.

6. I'll look into that, but if there is a review about it having that as better then that would be a better choice, cheaper for better is always nice :D  .

7. Ok, that works then. Doesn't save a ton of money but oh well heh.
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July 26, 2010 8:09:55 PM

Here are a couple of recent articles on buying an SSD. The Vertex 2 & Agility 2 lead in many measures, but not all. They are more expensive than most other SSDs, though.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2010/07/08/ssd...
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19162

At 64 GB, Agility 2 or Vertex 2 is probably your best bet.
At 80 GB, Intel X25-M is pretty much the only choice.
At 128 GB, Corsair Nova, Vertex 2, Agility 2, or Crucial C300
At 256 GB, Crucial C300
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July 26, 2010 8:12:48 PM

+1

but keep in mind that the crucial c300 has some problems one of them is bricking the other are some firmware issues
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July 26, 2010 8:12:53 PM

1. Cool, may go for that then since I am pretty sure will have around 2800 to put in to the computer atleast, so that shouldn't be a problem.

2. Willing to spend more if need be :D  . The ones I had before were on up there. I guess the power of these come out when you OC then, which I am going to try to do so heh.

3. Don't know if you saw my edit but I found the had 932 and I liked how that looked and that was alittle bit bigger then the haf 922 so I will just go with that most likely.

5. Unless you know of one that is higher up that is amazing performance but not too much more heh?

6. I went through it really quickly but also it being a award winner is making me lean towards it.

Thanks for all the help so far hosh, really helping me out :D  .
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July 26, 2010 8:14:09 PM

Oh, thanks for that info coldsleep. That makes it easier to decide heh.
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July 26, 2010 8:23:01 PM

Oh well dang that works. Thanks, can't really look up stuff very fast since I am on mobile broadband traveling down a road in the middle of no where heh.
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July 26, 2010 8:23:46 PM

Keary said:
Oh, thanks for that info coldsleep. That makes it easier to decide heh.


Recent-ish article on the C300 from anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3812/the-ssd-diaries-cruc...

Final sentence from the article: "If you’re running Windows 7, have a 6Gbps controller and want a 256GB drive, go Crucial. If you’re running any other OS, are using RAID or can only afford a 128GB drive, go SandForce."

So, maybe not the C300 at 128 GB. :) 
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July 26, 2010 8:29:33 PM

I asked niklas this before, but since the cost of this keeps going down and down, would there be any recommendations for getting a higher tier of something? Or adding in something else?
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July 26, 2010 8:36:10 PM

C300 sure does get on up there in price quickly. Don't know if will spend that much on one at the moment, since I think these should start dropping in price a good bit in the next year hopefully?
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July 26, 2010 8:37:21 PM

well u can get 3 monitors for eyefinity. or you could get a nice looking gaming mouse and keyboard
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July 26, 2010 8:40:34 PM

Keary said:
C300 sure does get on up there in price quickly. Don't know if will spend that much on one at the moment, since I think these should start dropping in price a good bit in the next year hopefully?

did u read my post that the c300 has some problems also imo i would't get ssd's till they drop in price (remember that this is still a new technology that is still being improved over the years. the earlier ssd's for example couldn't write alot of stuff and would die faster than today's ssd's)
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July 26, 2010 8:46:56 PM

I have a umm...crap ummm...g13 or g15 logitech keyboard atm, can't remember which one has the 18 or so macro keys, and the mouse I have now isn't a 'gaming mouse', like a razer or anything, but it does have some macro options. Have a game pad as well so don't have to look into that.

Would it be better to go with a multiple display setup over a big monitor? Or would that just be preference?

So you think I should just go with a cheaper SSD for now and then just upgrade up when they come down a bit? I should stick with SSD as a OS/Program drive over a hdd just because they are alot faster right? Or should I go for a RAID config with hdds?

Lots of questions on SSD all of a sudden, one lead to another to another heh
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July 26, 2010 8:51:43 PM

mrhoshos96 said:
did u read my post that the c300 has some problems also imo i would't get ssd's till they drop in price (remember that this is still a new technology that is still being improved over the years. the earlier ssd's for example couldn't write alot of stuff and would die faster than today's ssd's)


Read the anandtech article I linked. It suggests that the firmware problems have been fixed.

One certainly doesn't have to buy an SSD with a new build, but I think that if you're spending over $2k, you should at least consider it.

My suggestion would be to go with a $200ish SSD plus a storage HDD. Don't blow a ton of money on getting a huge SSD, but the difference in day-to-day computing is very noticeable. If you have your doubts, go to an Apple store and ask them if they can show you 2 similar laptops, one with an SSD and one without. (Or any computer store really, I just know that 6 months ago, the Apple store near me had 2 Airs, one with, one without.)

And here's some more reading. :)  Anandtech's SSD Relapse. It's a few months old, so the actual product recommendations are a little bit dated, but it has a ton of info on SSDs in general.
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July 26, 2010 8:53:28 PM

umm i would say if you want your os and other small programs too boot/open instantly then just get an ssd if u don't care about that stuff then use the hdd and upgrade to an ssd later. but if u r goin to buy an ssd now i would recommend the intel x-25m (best quality ssd ever should live a very very long time)

3 monitors in eyefinity is much better than a big display bec. the 3 displays will expand the view of your game letting u see thing u never saw and helps u become a better gamer. for example u can see an enemy in the right screen but with one screen you will not be able to see him.
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July 26, 2010 9:07:05 PM

I read the last two pages of the article and from what I see the firmware problem really only effects non TRIM OSs? Or is there something in there I missed?

Well SSD does effect gaming a good bit doesn't? Or am I just making that up? Thought I heard that it has a noticeable difference from somewhere.

If I can't really decide I most likely will go with the intel one just because they seem to have very good scores of everything that I have seen so far.

Oh so it literally expands your view, not expand the screen? That is cool. Hmm, I guess going with 3 of those monitors that I choose/everyone else has said to get would be the best choice or do they make special monitors for eyefinity?
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July 26, 2010 9:35:43 PM

No, that's what I picked up from the article too, but it sounds like the 256 GB one is worthwhile, the 128 GB not so much compared to the Vertex 2. Too bad I bought the 128 GB one a few months ago. :) 

SSDs don't affect gaming, with the exception of loading levels or zones in MMOs. Graphics cards (and to a lesser extent processors and RAM) affect games the most.

The Intel is a great drive, no doubt. They offer the best value at 80 GB. If you're looking at the 160 GB drive, I'd suggest taking another look at the 128 GB Vertex 2 (or Nova 128 GB).

The largest (commercial) single screens right now go up to 2560x1600. With 3x 1920x1080 screens, you can achieve either 5760x1080 (landscape mode) or 3240x1920 (portrait - almost the same aspect ratio as 1920x1080). Either of which is quite a few more pixels than 2560x1600, which directly translates into more viewing area. There aren't special monitors made for eyefinity, but you may want to get monitors that pivot from landscape to portrait, or you will need a special stand/mounting bracket.
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July 26, 2010 9:50:28 PM

So then there will be a odd area inbetween each monitor where the edges of the screens are then? I guess after awhile one doesn't notice that any more but that is why I was asking about a special set of monitors that didn't have edges inbetween and was just straight screen.

The 256 GB one is just too high of a price jump to me at the moment, I will have to see what the total is after getting everything else picked out, but if I find myself having the money maybe I will go for that. Most likely I will go for either the Vertex 2 or the Nova at the moment, can't really check on it at the moment since my connection keeps going out heh.
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July 26, 2010 9:51:53 PM

+1 any monitor with a display port can do the job
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July 26, 2010 10:35:11 PM

Think that was the one I pointed out before in one post heh. Thanks though :) 
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July 26, 2010 10:46:41 PM
July 26, 2010 10:52:25 PM

Niklas_13 said:
A few high tier items if you like would be

HDD WD black 2TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD OCZ Vertex 2 100 gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MOUSE MadCatz http://www.cyborggaming.com/

Case Corsair 800D http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could run xfire or Sli 2 GTX 480s

SPEAKERS http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/promedia-4-1-over...

The question is when is enough :) 


that ocz isn't higher quality than the xfx
the xfx has much better voltage regulation and it's a jonnyguru recommended

the 800d sucks at aircooling and it isn't worth the money the haf 932 is much better

2 480's isn't recommended they output allot of heat especially when sli'ed a 5970 can do the job

that black hdd is noisy runs realy hot isn't efficient the f3 1tb is great
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July 26, 2010 11:05:07 PM

Don't really need more storage space...I've never really gone over 100Gs on any computer I have had, usually keep music and what not on an external. 1TB will last me forever most likely heh.

I was thinking of some new speakers, will look around for those after I get the computer though.

I've seen that mouse...freaking insane looking heh. I will stick with my mouse for now.

Vector 2 is one of the sdds I was looking at.

One random question since I don't quite know where to ask it on newegg, but what does open box mean? I saw that they had the 5970 up there with open box next to it and it was like $250 cheaper. Does it mean it was used or it's box was merely opened for something but not used? Am just wondering if I should get that since it would save some money and get the same product.
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July 26, 2010 11:07:33 PM

Keary said:
Don't really need more storage space...I've never really gone over 100Gs on any computer I have had, usually keep music and what not on an external. 1TB will last me forever most likely heh.

I was thinking of some new speakers, will look around for those after I get the computer though.

I've seen that mouse...freaking insane looking heh. I will stick with my mouse for now.

Vector 2 is one of the sdds I was looking at.

One random question since I don't quite know where to ask it on newegg, but what does open box mean? I saw that they had the 5970 up there with open box next to it and it was like $250 cheaper. Does it mean it was used or it's box was merely opened for something but not used? Am just wondering if I should get that since it would save some money and get the same product.


opened box means it was a return, the will offer the same wananty but in some cases the driver disk or a cable might be missing ( not i big thing )
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July 26, 2010 11:10:17 PM

So I guess I should jump on that then and save some money. That works heh. Thanks.
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July 26, 2010 11:12:23 PM

mrhoshos96 said:
that ocz isn't higher quality than the xfx
the xfx has much better voltage regulation and it's a jonnyguru recommended

the 800d sucks at aircooling and it isn't worth the money the haf 932 is much better

2 480's isn't recommended they output allot of heat especially when sli'ed a 5970 can do the job

that black hdd is noisy runs realy hot isn't efficient the f3 1tb is great


The WD blacks are just as fast as the samsung F3 or Seagates 7200.12 and is a grate HDD if you need the storage.

Your right on the PSU my bad :( 

If your going to run sli or tri GTX 480s your going to want to water cool them anyways so the case is a madder of option, I was not trying to show items that was the best bang for the buck ( i show what i would do in my first post for the 2500 )



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July 26, 2010 11:16:40 PM

Keary said:
So I guess I should jump on that then and save some money. That works heh. Thanks.


for 450 bucks for the opened HD 5970 is a good buy, but it shows (OUT OF STOCK :(  )

I will sell you my HD 5850 for 450 :)  lol j/k my HD 5850 play my games @ 1920x1080 just fine at high setting with AA at 2X
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July 26, 2010 11:17:50 PM

How much would it cost to do water cooling on the whole system? Am just interested in it, don't know if I will do it or not.
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July 26, 2010 11:17:53 PM

Niklas_13 said:
The WD blacks are just as fast as the samsung F3 or Seagates 7200.12 and is a grate HDD if you need the storage.

Your right on the PSU my bad :( 

If your going to run sli or tri GTX 480s your going to want to water cool them anyways so the case is a madder of option, I was not trying to show items that was the best bang for the buck ( i show what i would do in my first post for the 2500 )

ah ok
imo wc is a waste of time and money you can spend $400+ on a single loop
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July 26, 2010 11:20:07 PM

Niklas_13 said:
for 450 bucks for the opened HD 5970 is a good buy, but it shows (OUT OF STOCK :(  )


Yeah I just noticed that :(  Thought it didn't say it earlier today but didn't know what it meant and I could be just trying to make myself feel bad heh.
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July 27, 2010 1:53:29 AM

Thanks for all your help guys. Sorry took alittle while to say so, was in a dead area for a good while heh. I will post a updated build either later on tonight or tomorrow to see what you guys think about it but it is going to be made of most of the things mentioned here. Thanks again guys :D 
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July 27, 2010 3:33:48 AM

mrhoshos96 said:
ah ok
imo wc is a waste of time and money you can spend $400+ on a single loop


I would agree that WC is a waste of money, you would spend 600 + on a kick ass WC setup but there are people out there that are that hard core into OCing. that is there ( Thing ) there hobby and to them to spend the money to push there CPU to the limted floats there boat :)  to others it might be golf lol :) 

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July 27, 2010 3:35:33 AM

Keary said:
Thanks for all your help guys. Sorry took alittle while to say so, was in a dead area for a good while heh. I will post a updated build either later on tonight or tomorrow to see what you guys think about it but it is going to be made of most of the things mentioned here. Thanks again guys :D 


np gald we could help and gl with the system, hope the build is as fun as the gaming :) 

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July 27, 2010 9:21:06 AM

Niklas_13 said:
I would agree that WC is a waste of money, you would spend 600 + on a kick ass WC setup but there are people out there that are that hard core into OCing. that is there ( Thing ) there hobby and to them to spend the money to push there CPU to the limted floats there boat :)  to others it might be golf lol :) 

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