LCD display

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I just got my second Christmas present yesterday - a new Dell system with a
20.1 inch LCD monitor. It is fantastic! I didn't know that my old 19 inch
CRT was so bad until I saw the colors on the new LCD. I have been hearing
how much better the CRT is than the LCD and it might be true, but when the
CRT is not calibrated as mine obviously wasn't, the LCD is a step up.

I have seen several posts about programs that you can use to calibrate the
monitor and wonder if they work on an LCD also? Do many of you use an LCD,
and if so, how do you judge the quality and have you calibrated it?

Thanks for any input and Merry Christmas.

Don Dunlap

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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don Dunlap wrote:
>> I just got my second Christmas present yesterday - a new Dell system
>> with a 20.1 inch LCD monitor. It is fantastic! I didn't know that my
>> old
>> 19 inch CRT was so bad until I saw the colors on the new LCD. I have
>> been hearing how much better the CRT is than the LCD and it might be
>> true, but when the CRT is not calibrated as mine obviously wasn't,
>> the LCD is a step up.
>> I have seen several posts about programs that you can use to
>> calibrate the monitor and wonder if they work on an LCD also? Do
>> many of you use an LCD, and if so, how do you judge the quality and
>> have you calibrated it?
>> Thanks for any input and Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Don Dunlap
>
> Yes there are programs designed to help you calibrate your LCD monitor.
> Sorry I can't really recommend one over another since I don't have enough
> experience to provide any useful information.
>
> I might add that most people believe that the LCD monitors are not as
> good as the best CRT's for photo work. My experience is that there is
> overlap and the best LCD is better than many CRT's
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

I can attest to the fact that this LCD is better than the CRT I had.

Thanks,
Don Dunlap

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"Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> I just got my second Christmas present yesterday - a new Dell system with
a
> 20.1 inch LCD monitor. It is fantastic! I didn't know that my old 19
inch
> CRT was so bad until I saw the colors on the new LCD. I have been hearing
> how much better the CRT is than the LCD and it might be true, but when the
> CRT is not calibrated as mine obviously wasn't, the LCD is a step up.
>
> I have seen several posts about programs that you can use to calibrate the
> monitor and wonder if they work on an LCD also? Do many of you use an
LCD,
> and if so, how do you judge the quality and have you calibrated it?
>
> Thanks for any input and Merry Christmas.
>
> Don Dunlap

My last monitor was a Sony 22", which turned to garbage after only 2 years.

I am now using a 1600x1200 Viewsonic VP201s 20.1" LCD that can rotate to
portrait (1200x1600).
It is absolutely fansastic, and I am getting literally PERFECT color
matching with photoshop and my Epson printers (1270, and the pigment-based
Epson 4000). -Far better than I ever achieved with my Sony CRT, partly due
to my Sony's rapid deterioration and fading. Rather than dimming, it just
became horribly washed out. -Was never particularly sharp, either.

The higher resolution the better, as it will help to prevent the impression
of artificial sharpness that comes with lower res LCDs. While there are
certainly far higher-end CRTs out there than the 22" Sony I had, I couldn't
be more pleased with my current LCD.

For those of you interested, the very same Viewsonic I paid $1200 for 6
months ago is RIGHT NOW available at Costco for $779...a REAL bargain,
though still not cheap. I was tempted to buy another one, but the wife
would have shot me.
-Mark

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"Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:TB6zd.3907$yW5.1294@fed1read02...
> >
> > "Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
> > news:19660$41cc0549$45234021$15633@allthenewsgroups.com...
> >> I just got my second Christmas present yesterday - a new Dell system
with
> > a
> >> 20.1 inch LCD monitor. It is fantastic! I didn't know that my old 19
> > inch
> >> CRT was so bad until I saw the colors on the new LCD. I have been
> >> hearing
> >> how much better the CRT is than the LCD and it might be true, but when
> >> the
> >> CRT is not calibrated as mine obviously wasn't, the LCD is a step up.
> >>
> >> I have seen several posts about programs that you can use to calibrate
> >> the
> >> monitor and wonder if they work on an LCD also? Do many of you use an
> > LCD,
> >> and if so, how do you judge the quality and have you calibrated it?
> >>
> >> Thanks for any input and Merry Christmas.
> >>
> >> Don Dunlap
> >
> > My last monitor was a Sony 22", which turned to garbage after only 2
> > years.
> >
> > I am now using a 1600x1200 Viewsonic VP201s 20.1" LCD that can rotate to
> > portrait (1200x1600).
> > It is absolutely fansastic, and I am getting literally PERFECT color
> > matching with photoshop and my Epson printers (1270, and the
pigment-based
> > Epson 4000). -Far better than I ever achieved with my Sony CRT, partly
due
> > to my Sony's rapid deterioration and fading. Rather than dimming, it
just
> > became horribly washed out. -Was never particularly sharp, either.
> >
> > The higher resolution the better, as it will help to prevent the
> > impression
> > of artificial sharpness that comes with lower res LCDs. While there are
> > certainly far higher-end CRTs out there than the 22" Sony I had, I
> > couldn't
> > be more pleased with my current LCD.
> >
> > For those of you interested, the very same Viewsonic I paid $1200 for 6
> > months ago is RIGHT NOW available at Costco for $779...a REAL bargain,
> > though still not cheap. I was tempted to buy another one, but the wife
> > would have shot me.
> > -Mark
> >
> >
>
> I had forgotten about portriat mode and just tried it. I didn't think
that
> I would use it at first, but I have some very long spreadsheets that I
> believe will be much easier to work with in the portriat mode. Thanks for
> reminding me. I don't think that it will be much use in photo editing
> though.

You don't???
I love it for editing partrait-mode photos in photoshop!
I have a video card that fully supports portrait mode, and it's great,
becasue I can really see detail while viewing hte full image. Also, it's
great for displaying photos as well. Internet browsing and word processing
also.

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"Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
> > news:e8d05$41cd5137$4523492c$21894@allthenewsgroups.com...
> >>
> >> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> >> news:TB6zd.3907$yW5.1294@fed1read02...
> >> >
> >> > "Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:19660$41cc0549$45234021$15633@allthenewsgroups.com...
> >> >> I just got my second Christmas present yesterday - a new Dell system
> > with
> >> > a
> >> >> 20.1 inch LCD monitor. It is fantastic! I didn't know that my old
19
> >> > inch
> >> >> CRT was so bad until I saw the colors on the new LCD. I have been
> >> >> hearing
> >> >> how much better the CRT is than the LCD and it might be true, but
when
> >> >> the
> >> >> CRT is not calibrated as mine obviously wasn't, the LCD is a step
up.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have seen several posts about programs that you can use to
calibrate
> >> >> the
> >> >> monitor and wonder if they work on an LCD also? Do many of you use
an
> >> > LCD,
> >> >> and if so, how do you judge the quality and have you calibrated it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any input and Merry Christmas.
> >> >>
> >> >> Don Dunlap
> >> >
> >> > My last monitor was a Sony 22", which turned to garbage after only 2
> >> > years.
> >> >
> >> > I am now using a 1600x1200 Viewsonic VP201s 20.1" LCD that can rotate
> >> > to
> >> > portrait (1200x1600).
> >> > It is absolutely fansastic, and I am getting literally PERFECT color
> >> > matching with photoshop and my Epson printers (1270, and the
> > pigment-based
> >> > Epson 4000). -Far better than I ever achieved with my Sony CRT,
partly
> > due
> >> > to my Sony's rapid deterioration and fading. Rather than dimming, it
> > just
> >> > became horribly washed out. -Was never particularly sharp, either.
> >> >
> >> > The higher resolution the better, as it will help to prevent the
> >> > impression
> >> > of artificial sharpness that comes with lower res LCDs. While there
> >> > are
> >> > certainly far higher-end CRTs out there than the 22" Sony I had, I
> >> > couldn't
> >> > be more pleased with my current LCD.
> >> >
> >> > For those of you interested, the very same Viewsonic I paid $1200 for
6
> >> > months ago is RIGHT NOW available at Costco for $779...a REAL
bargain,
> >> > though still not cheap. I was tempted to buy another one, but the
wife
> >> > would have shot me.
> >> > -Mark
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I had forgotten about portriat mode and just tried it. I didn't think
> > that
> >> I would use it at first, but I have some very long spreadsheets that I
> >> believe will be much easier to work with in the portriat mode. Thanks
> >> for
> >> reminding me. I don't think that it will be much use in photo editing
> >> though.
> >
> > You don't???
> > I love it for editing partrait-mode photos in photoshop!
> > I have a video card that fully supports portrait mode, and it's great,
> > becasue I can really see detail while viewing hte full image. Also,
it's
> > great for displaying photos as well. Internet browsing and word
> > processing
> > also.
> >
> >
>
> Maybe I wrote it off too quickly. I'll give it a try again and see what I
> can do with it. I just viewed it briefly and used it with spreadsheets
but
> I'll keep it on portrait for a while and see how I like it.

Does you video card fully support rotation via hardware (vs. just through
software?). If not, it might be worth getting an ATI Radeon card that fully
supports rotation. Hardware support means you'll get all the video power
you're used to in either mode. Software solutions typically mean your
computer is going through power-eating contortions to "re-interpret" the
screen into portrait mode for viewing, which is always going to be slower.

Also...If you're using photoshop, go to View, and then "reset palette
locations" when you move to portrait mode. This will correctly place the
button groups properly. Also...while in PHotoshop, don't forget you can
press TAB once or twice to make all butthe top menu disappear...then press
"control-zero", which will size the image to the screen, giving you tons of
work-space.

If you don't have photoshop... Never mind this later stuff...

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"Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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> > "Don Dunlap" <dondunlaprove@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> >> news:mrgzd.3941$yW5.2633@fed1read02...
> >> >
> SNIP.
> >> >
> >> > You don't???
> >> > I love it for editing partrait-mode photos in photoshop!
> >> > I have a video card that fully supports portrait mode, and it's
great,
> >> > becasue I can really see detail while viewing hte full image. Also,
> > it's
> >> > great for displaying photos as well. Internet browsing and word
> >> > processing
> >> > also.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Maybe I wrote it off too quickly. I'll give it a try again and see
what
> >> I
> >> can do with it. I just viewed it briefly and used it with spreadsheets
> > but
> >> I'll keep it on portrait for a while and see how I like it.
> >
> > Does you video card fully support rotation via hardware (vs. just
through
> > software?). If not, it might be worth getting an ATI Radeon card that
> > fully
> > supports rotation. Hardware support means you'll get all the video
power
> > you're used to in either mode. Software solutions typically mean your
> > computer is going through power-eating contortions to "re-interpret" the
> > screen into portrait mode for viewing, which is always going to be
slower.
> >
> > Also...If you're using photoshop, go to View, and then "reset palette
> > locations" when you move to portrait mode. This will correctly place
the
> > button groups properly. Also...while in PHotoshop, don't forget you can
> > press TAB once or twice to make all butthe top menu disappear...then
press
> > "control-zero", which will size the image to the screen, giving you tons
> > of
> > work-space.
> >
> > If you don't have photoshop... Never mind this later stuff...
> >
> >
> >
>
> My video card fully supports rotation, so there is no problem there. I
have
> Photoshop CS but am still learning how to use it. I didn't know about the
> TAB making the top menu disappear and the 'control-zero' entry. I still
> have a hell of a lot to learn about PS, but I'm on my way.
>
> Thanks for the input

If it helps at all...there is not a soul alive who does not have a heck of a
lot they could learn about photoshop--not even those considered experts. It
is such a deep, capable program, designed to meet the needs of countless
types of imaging, that NOBODY is expert at all it has to offer. I'm not
really an "expert" in ANYTHING it has to offer, but I know enough to usually
accomplish what I need to acomplish. I'm sure that there are far better,
more advanced...even EASIER ways of accomplishing things I use it for, but I
probably haven't yet learned enough. I would encourage you to at least play
with levels, color balance, and unsharp mask (under the Filter menu) for
starters. Pick up a copy of "Adobe Photoshop CS: Classroom in a Book" from
Adobe Press, and slowly start with the basics. Even the basics will soon
have you beginning to really take command of your images. It's exciting and
rewarding when you reach the point where you see your images come to
life...and it won't take long for this to happen.

Anyway... End of rant.
You've got some powerful tools at your disposal according to your post.
With a little effort and attention, you'll be able to make the very best of
the images you shoot--and still keep them true to life (if that is your
wish).

-Mark