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October 12, 2012 4:56:07 PM

I'm new to this whole issue, that much is probably already obvious, but here is my problem:

Built my rig a year ago using a 55GB SSD and 1TB HDD with the OS on the SSD. I have intel i7 2600K as well as ASUS P8P67 Pro. Of course, after a year of ecstatic gaming my SSD has only 5 GB left and HDD has 900+ GB free and I can't download new games--i.e. I need to go to RAID config.

How best to proceed? Will I lose all my files if going to RAID now (and now I should back up everything and start over, including reinstalling the OS)? Should I just buy another 1 TB and raid 0 those two? If I DO have to start over I want to do it right with something that will last a long time--should I get 2-3 high storage capacity SSD's, get a RAID controller, and just trick out my rig?

Boy I learned a crapload building this rig, and I sure wish I thought of this more thoroughly while building it. Thanks for your help guys. :cry: 

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a c 372 G Storage
October 12, 2012 5:11:57 PM

That's the problem with SSD's. They have small capacities. They are getting larger all the time, but still can't compete with hard drives. If you plan on sticking with a SSD, I'd buy a new larger SSD and clone the old one onto it.

http://clonezilla.org/

For games you don't play anymore, uninstall them. For games you don't play often, uninstall them and reinstall to the 1TB drive. You may also be able to get away with using junction/symlinks (windows 7) to move folders to the other drive. There is a program that can do this for you.

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/18/steam-tool-library-man...

or use steam's suggestion

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=771...
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October 12, 2012 5:31:37 PM

Hawkeye22 said:
That's the problem with SSD's. They have small capacities. They are getting larger all the time, but still can't compete with hard drives. If you plan on sticking with a SSD, I'd buy a new larger SSD and clone the old one onto it.

http://clonezilla.org/

For games you don't play anymore, uninstall them. For games you don't play often, uninstall them and reinstall to the 1TB drive. You may also be able to get away with using junction/symlinks (windows 7) to move folders to the other drive. There is a program that can do this for you.

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/18/steam-tool-library-man...

or use steam's suggestion

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=771...


Actually SSD's are not small, now when they get large so does their price:

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/03/ocz-shows-off-4tb-ss...

and that was back in 2011.
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October 12, 2012 5:43:06 PM

Don't uninstall, use mklink. If you play steam games, lookup SteamMover; it can be used to move games from one place to another.

I install Steam to my SSD; move the steamapps directory to my HDD. Open a dos prompt as administrator, mklink /d C:\Steam\steamapps D:\steamapps. Steam is none the wiser (this can be done with almost any program, but not with windows system files). From there, if I want a game on my SSD, I move the folder and do an "mklink /d D:\steamapps\common\gamename C:\linkedGames\gamename"

Also run through this guide and do the steps you are comfortable with: http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/...

You can move my documents, my music etc to another location by this method: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/18629-user-folders...
If you want to go a step further, you can move the entire Users and ProgramData directories fairly easy while installing windows using this method: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/window...

You can also move Users and ProgramData after you've installed Windows, however the method doesn't work exactly as described, I had to do it slightly differently but I don't remember what exactly. If you use this method, you could mess up your windows install: http://lifehacker.com/5467758/move-the-users-directory-... (Backup your users and program data externally first, be ready for a reinstall if this goes awry. I think I used "robocopy /mir /xj" to get it to work, /mir will delete anything already in the destination folder, so be sure you are copying to an empty location)

I use a 60GB ssd, I have enough space for 2 or 3 games, and I really only keep games I actively play on the SSD, the rest live on the HDD. The size isn't really a constraint, it just requires a bit more configuration and some management to keep it how you want it.
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October 12, 2012 5:51:57 PM

Hawkeye22 said:
That's the problem with SSD's. They have small capacities. They are getting larger all the time, but still can't compete with hard drives. If you plan on sticking with a SSD, I'd buy a new larger SSD and clone the old one onto it.

http://clonezilla.org/

For games you don't play anymore, uninstall them. For games you don't play often, uninstall them and reinstall to the 1TB drive. You may also be able to get away with using junction/symlinks (windows 7) to move folders to the other drive. There is a program that can do this for you.

http://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/18/steam-tool-library-man...

or use steam's suggestion

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=771...



If I just get a new SSD and clone the old data to this one I'd still like to set up a raid config so I'll not have to deal with this problem again. If I go ballz out and get a 1TB SSD, would setting up a raid 0 with the 1 TB HDD seem logical (or just smarter, ignoring the ballz out price of course)
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October 12, 2012 5:54:11 PM

IF you raid two SSDs together, it disables the TRIM command (garbage collection) and will cause performance to degrade over time as a result.
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October 12, 2012 6:08:42 PM

djscribbles said:
IF you raid two SSDs together, it disables the TRIM command (garbage collection) and will cause performance to degrade over time as a result.


What about an SSD and HDD of the same storage capacity?
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a c 372 G Storage
October 12, 2012 6:31:40 PM

For raid, you need SSD's of the same capacity otherwise it will use the size of the smaller drive. In this case, if you did a raid 1 of the 55gig SSD and a 1TB SSD, you'd end up with a 110gig raid array. Also, if you will be booting from raid, you'll need to reinstall windows. Also, as stated, you may lose trim support with raid.
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October 12, 2012 6:38:35 PM

demetrius202 said:
What about an SSD and HDD of the same storage capacity?


I guess you could do that but your performance would be terrible, and the life expectancy of your SSD would drop to zero. It would be like having 14" tires on one side of your car and 32" tires on the other. GG.

Clone your current SSD and sell it, then take the money and put it toward a larger SSD that you can then reimage with the original's clone.
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October 12, 2012 7:56:59 PM

nbelote said:
I guess you could do that but your performance would be terrible, and the life expectancy of your SSD would drop to zero. It would be like having 14" tires on one side of your car and 32" tires on the other. GG.

Clone your current SSD and sell it, then take the money and put it toward a larger SSD that you can then reimage with the original's clone.


+1, you do NOT want to raid an SSD and an HDD. Files would be striped across a slow media and fast media, essentially giving you HDD performance with an SSD.

However I don't really think you have to upgrade your HDD at all; 60GB (or 55GB) is a pretty significant amount of space, it just that Windows does not go far enough in making efficient use of your storage drive, and dumps alot of stuff on your SSD. If you do just these steps (assuming you haven't): http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/... you can free 10GB or more of space in about 10 minutes.

The rest of the steps are more difficult, but you can move installed applications using mklink without reinstalling (mklink /d creates a filesystem directory link, it acts like a shortcut at the file system level, where C:\steam\steamapps is actually pointing to a folder on D:, but steam sees C:\steam\steamapps\common\some80GBgameIneverPlay as a valid path to the game on my HDD.)

It's up to you, I just wanted to make it clear that there is a 100% free way to solve your problem; and I swear it's not as much of a hassle as it sounds like once you've learned how to do it, especially if you use SteamMover to automate moving individual games.
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October 12, 2012 8:09:35 PM

djscribbles said:
IF you raid two SSDs together, it disables the TRIM command (garbage collection) and will cause performance to degrade over time as a result.


You need to keep up with the times. The new boards with the 77 series controllers have the ability to have trim enabled on a raid setup.
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October 12, 2012 8:25:00 PM

ahnilated said:
You need to keep up with the times. The new boards with the 77 series controllers have the ability to have trim enabled on a raid setup.


Thanks for the correction, I didn't know that, I'll be sure to refine my warnings :) 

Though, the OP does have an ASUS P8P67 Pro, so he doesn't have a Z77 right now. (Still good to know though, I'd rather not spread misinformation)
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