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July 28, 2010 6:02:24 PM

And I mean beyond benchmarks say compare a AMD Phenom II X6 1090t going now on newegg for $295.99, compare that to an Intel Core i7 930 Quad going for $289.99 and the X6 smokes the Intel i7 in most everything that matters considering compatibility, which you know AMD is going to stick with to have a strong heed against Intel's future processors in the true non-cash-spending addict way of looking at it.

I am building a personal rig on newegg lately for Income Tax Time, I have been trying my hardest to keep it under $1200.00 including decent 27" LCD (which you will truly have the most fun with after putting everything together.)

Lian Li K62 Case (beautiful)
Scythe KM01 Fan Controller
SAMSUNG P2770H 27" LCD
ASUS M4A87TD MB
Gigabyte 5830 1GB - (change to 5850/70 for $1,300... yes?)
Asus Multidrive (has it all)
CORSAIR HX Series 650W Modular PSU (Corsair rules it these days in PSU's)
Crucial Ballistix Tracer 4GB DDR3 1333 (w/ Blue LED/sensors) - (I plan on keeping everything at stock for longevity.)
AMD Phenom x6 1090t 3.2ghz
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB


Total - $1,320.77


Switch up the CPU's to 930 + comparable MB to one shown above + triple channel ram

Total - $1,798.68

Savings - $477.91

Without the LCD compared to AMD with 27" LCD = $110.00

$110.00 go for..... more ram, good heatsink/fan to OC with OverDrive, Bigger screen? even smaller screen + more ram + better video card? 5970 anyone?






No fanboy intended, I love AMD specifically for the fact that they are a company willingly making it easy on your pocket while still giving you amazing hardware.








July 28, 2010 6:11:26 PM

It depends entirely on what you plan on doing. If you're looking for gaming performance, neither is a good choice, as the X4 955 or i5-750 would be better and cheaper. If you're talking about certain types of video editing (and some other tasks), then the X6 is a good choice. If you're doing anything else, the i7 is the better choice.

If you're looking for advice on the build, we need to know some more details. Follow the guidelines from the link in my signature. I can already tell you that the RAM isn't the best, the HDD is a bad choice, and the 5830 is a HORRIBLE choice. I say the 5830 is horrible because it's in the middle of the road in terms of performance (too expensive to game at less than 1080p, but not powerful enough to play at 1080p) and it's massively beaten by the GTX 460 at roughly the same price.
July 28, 2010 6:28:56 PM

MadAdmiral said:
It depends entirely on what you plan on doing. If you're looking for gaming performance, neither is a good choice, as the X4 955 or i5-750 would be better and cheaper. If you're talking about certain types of video editing (and some other tasks), then the X6 is a good choice. If you're doing anything else, the i7 is the better choice.

If you're looking for advice on the build, we need to know some more details. Follow the guidelines from the link in my signature. I can already tell you that the RAM isn't the best, the HDD is a bad choice, and the 5830 is a HORRIBLE choice. I say the 5830 is horrible because it's in the middle of the road in terms of performance (too expensive to game at less than 1080p, but not powerful enough to play at 1080p) and it's massively beaten by the GTX 460 at roughly the same price.



The price for the AMD build was with a 5850, way better then a GTX 460 in benchmarks, temps, everything.
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July 28, 2010 6:33:05 PM

If not out of your price range get a GTX 470 and a Core i7 or a or i5 750. Maybe G.Skill RAM. A Cooler Master Hyper 212+ CPU cooler would be good. That is it.
July 28, 2010 6:35:20 PM

@blind: The 470 sucks. Big time. It's expensive, underperforming, uses massive amounts of power and creates a lot of heat.

@jesse: Then don't bold the 5830. And the 460 isn't that much behind the 5850, especially when you consider the SLI options. Besides, with what you're spending, the 5870 is really more in line with the budget...
July 28, 2010 6:43:19 PM

MadAdmiral said:
@blind: The 470 sucks. Big time. It's expensive, underperforming, uses massive amounts of power and creates a lot of heat.

@jesse: Then don't bold the 5830. And the 460 isn't that much behind the 5850, especially when you consider the SLI options. Besides, with what you're spending, the 5870 is really more in line with the budget...


Is it? My budget was 1300, less would be better..

enlighten me on what would be the best option for 1300, but keep my case
July 28, 2010 6:50:34 PM

I still don't know what you're doing with the build. Typically, unless you're doing video editing, the X6 isn't a good choice.

For example, if you're gaming, this would be your best bet in terms of the build (I'm suggesting a different monitor. The premium you pay for something that large is crazy):

CPU/Mobo: i5-750 and Asus P7P55D-E Pro $360
RAM: G.Skill Eco 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $105
GPU: HD 5870 $385 after rebate (with free game)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB $75
Case/PSU: Lian Li K62 and XFX 750W $120 after rebate
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $18
HSF: Sycthe SCMG-2100 $35
Monitor: Asus 23.6" 1080p $170 after rebate and promo code

Total: $1,268
July 28, 2010 7:07:36 PM

jesseheichertiii said:
And I mean beyond benchmarks say compare a AMD Phenom II X6 1090t going now on newegg for $295.99, compare that to an Intel Core i7 930 Quad going for $289.99 and the X6 smokes the Intel i7 in most everything that matters considering compatibility, which you know AMD is going to stick with to have a strong heed against Intel's future processors in the true non-cash-spending addict way of looking at it.


No fanboy intended, I love AMD specifically for the fact that they are a company willingly making it easy on your pocket while still giving you amazing hardware.


Here is the THG chart comparing the i7 920 to the Phenom II X6 1090t: =on&prod[4080]=on]Compare

Since the i7 920 has higher FPS in most games and is faster in all timed tests (even winning the race in apps that actually use 6 cores, like 3DS Max), I am wondering how the AMD smokes it??? :pt1cable: 
July 28, 2010 7:17:59 PM

The X6 wins in several productivity applications, mainly dealing with video editing. With the X6, what you're doing is extremely important for a recommendation. Also, FPS benchmarks mean absolutely nothing for CPUs. They handicap the games artificially to create a difference. 20 FPS in a benchmark isn't going to be anything in the real world.

Also, considering that you can get an X6 for about $200 cheaper than the i7-930 (the boards and RAM), I'd say performing on equal terms is pretty good.
July 31, 2010 3:59:45 AM

MadAdmiral said:
I still don't know what you're doing with the build. Typically, unless you're doing video editing, the X6 isn't a good choice.

For example, if you're gaming, this would be your best bet in terms of the build (I'm suggesting a different monitor. The premium you pay for something that large is crazy):

CPU/Mobo: i5-750 and Asus P7P55D-E Pro $360
RAM: G.Skill Eco 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $105
GPU: HD 5870 $385 after rebate (with free game)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB $75
Case/PSU: Lian Li K62 and XFX 750W $120 after rebate
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $18
HSF: Sycthe SCMG-2100 $35
Monitor: Asus 23.6" 1080p $170 after rebate and promo code

Total: $1,268


aren't asus monitors lacking in true quality these days compared to samsung? also i agree with the 5870... maybe go with the 5850 though and a larger monitor - gaming isn't ULTRA gaming all in all, I will be mainly playing Lineage 2, BF2/BC2, Crysis, all of which I am sure are more then capable at running at 1900x1080/1200 fine with a 5850 + 1090t or 965 3.4 ghz, I don't think I'll go with Intel, does that i5 even (AT STOCK) run as good as a 965/1090t?
July 31, 2010 4:11:13 AM

MadAdmiral said:
It depends entirely on what you plan on doing. If you're looking for gaming performance, neither is a good choice, as the X4 955 or i5-750 would be better and cheaper. If you're talking about certain types of video editing (and some other tasks), then the X6 is a good choice. If you're doing anything else, the i7 is the better choice.

If you're looking for advice on the build, we need to know some more details. Follow the guidelines from the link in my signature. I can already tell you that the RAM isn't the best, the HDD is a bad choice, and the 5830 is a HORRIBLE choice. I say the 5830 is horrible because it's in the middle of the road in terms of performance (too expensive to game at less than 1080p, but not powerful enough to play at 1080p) and it's massively beaten by the GTX 460 at roughly the same price.


Taking your advice.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: January/Feb 2011

BUDGET RANGE: (e.g.: 600-800) 1200-1300

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, watching movies, transferring data frequently (good HD needed, any good + cheap SSD, are they even worth it?)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD CPU/MB to lower down costs on overall build so I can fit in a bigger/more high quality LCD. (plus, not a huge benchmark follower) main concern is quality of PSU besides that.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1980x1200 preferred, is 16.9 that bad?

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Needs to have window in case (Lian Li K62 preferable case, but if you can find one up to par for cheaper or better for more, go for it )
July 31, 2010 5:35:59 AM

jesseheichertiii said:
aren't asus monitors lacking in true quality these days compared to samsung? also i agree with the 5870... maybe go with the 5850 though and a larger monitor - gaming isn't ULTRA gaming all in all, I will be mainly playing Lineage 2, BF2/BC2, Crysis, all of which I am sure are more then capable at running at 1900x1080/1200 fine with a 5850 + 1090t or 965 3.4 ghz, I don't think I'll go with Intel, does that i5 even (AT STOCK) run as good as a 965/1090t?


I haven't heard any complaints about the Asus monitor's quality. They're generally as good as other brands, just a bit cheaper.

Since you listed Crysis, that's the big difference between the 5850 and the 5870. The 5850 can't get playable FPS for Crysis at 1080p, while the 5870 can.

The CPU is largely unimportant to gaming. The X6 is basically equal to the X4 955, and the i5 is a bit more powerful. However, the only reason I'd switch to the i5 is if you've already got a 5870 in the build and still have a good $100 for the build.

Nothing you've listed in your uses suggests you need an X6. The build I posted above is just fine.
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