SAPPHIRE HD5970 TOXIC which os? help

im not sure about buying the SAPPHIRE HD5970 4gb TOXIC
because its probably too big and i have win xp DX 9.27
and i may need a new supply (i think i have 600 watts where can i check that?) :??:
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  1. :lol: Bahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Rolf a 600w psu with a 5970. :pt1cable:

    Get a QUALITY 850w-1000w psu that isn't metallic toilet paper and if you want DX11 get Vista or Win7 that is 64bit either wise common sense is lacking. Also what is the rest of your system? Note if it is a p4 or a socket 754/939 am1 cpu then you should consider a lower end card. By the way the 5970 is a little over 12 inches long (38cm~).
  2. well 850 Watt Power Supply is required.
    1200 Watt Power Supply is recommended for CrossFireX System.
    so your 600 you can just make a gift to someone..
    and that card i would run only... ONLY!!!!! on win 7 64 bit
  3. nforce4max said:
    :lol: Bahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Rolf a 600w psu with a 5970. :pt1cable:

    Get a QUALITY 850w-1000w psu that isn't metallic toilet paper and if you want DX11 get Vista or Win7 that is 64bit either wise common sense is lacking. Also what is the rest of your system? Note if it is a p4 or a socket 754/939 am1 cpu then you should consider a lower end card. By the way the 5970 is a little over 12 inches long (38cm~).



    get vista???????? for that card????
    commmmmmmon
  4. nforce4max said:
    :lol: Bahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Rolf a 600w psu with a 5970. :pt1cable:

    Get a QUALITY 850w-1000w psu that isn't metallic toilet paper and if you want DX11 get Vista or Win7 that is 64bit either wise common sense is lacking. Also what is the rest of your system? Note if it is a p4 or a socket 754/939 am1 cpu then you should consider a lower end card. By the way the 5970 is a little over 12 inches long (38cm~).


    if i would know all that i wouldnt ask, douche
    but ive already said it will probably need a new supply and maybe too long to fit my sys.
    so calm down :sarcastic:

    ive checked a
    Sapphire Radeon HD5870 Toxic (PCI-e, 2GB GDDR5 Speicher, HDMI) Full Retail
    for 534 €/$
    ,too.
    better choise?

    and my system:


    http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001OD1I76/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0DJ19QSGBWAE9SMN2300&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128
    look for info at bottom of the page, too.
  5. your system doesn't support ddr3 ram, so that's a bit sad.
    well.. 5870 is single gpu and 5970 is dual, but if the drivers are good than 5970 all the way.
    5870 toxic is a great card as well.. will run any game like nobody's bussines
  6. You people can't be serious about needing an 850W power supply and recommending a 1200W power supply. Stop messing with the guy seriously, unless you were actually serious.

    I have a 5970 and luckily a tool to measure power consumption from the wall socket. My system with an i7 920 as the processor draws only 190W idle and a little over 400W when doing prime 95 and furmark at the same time. When playing games, it only eats around 260W.

    In fact the box only recommends 650W for a single 5970 and 850W for crossfire. The manufacturer recommendations are really generous too. I would recommend that if you overclock heavily and that is what the manufacturers are trying to cover.

    To check how many watts your power supply has, just look at the sticker. It should have power information across all the power rails. Though you may still need a better power supply. If you bought a computer from dell or HP, they are usually trast and has absolutely no surge protection because it is cheaper for them to make and warranty the failed computers over the warranty period rather than giving customers quality parts to last forever.
  7. _orbital_ said:
    your system doesn't support ddr3 ram, so that's a bit sad.
    well.. 5870 is single gpu and 5970 is dual, but if the drivers are good than 5970 all the way.
    5870 toxic is a great card as well.. will run any game like nobody's bussines


    well i know that 5970 has dual (and more gddr), but it doubles the price, too.
    but which limitations do i have without ddr3 and so?
    and does it work good on XP = Without DX10/11?
    is 5870 smaller than 5970?
    do you think it fits my System? how can i check that:??:
  8. rofl_my_waffle said:
    You people can't be serious about needing an 850W power supply and recommending a 1200W power supply. Stop messing with the guy seriously, unless you were actually serious.

    I have a 5970 and luckily a tool to measure power consumption from the wall socket. My system with an i7 920 as the processor draws only 190W idle and a little over 400W when doing prime 95 and furmark at the same time. When playing games, it only eats around 260W.

    In fact the box only recommends 650W for a single 5970 and 850W for crossfire. The manufacturer recommendations are really generous too. I would recommend that if you overclock heavily and that is what the manufacturers are trying to cover.

    To check how many watts your power supply has, just look at the sticker. It should have power information across all the power rails. Though you may still need a better power supply. If you bought a computer from dell or HP, they are usually trast and has absolutely no surge protection because it is cheaper for them to make and warranty the failed computers over the warranty period rather than giving customers quality parts to last forever.


    i checked the side where i bought it and it has 600 watts like expected
    and i wouldn´t throw it away because somebody says i need a 2000$pc to play my games.
    i can still buy it if i have to.
  9. derkevevin said:
    if i would know all that i wouldnt ask, douche
    but ive already said it will probably need a new supply and maybe too long to fit my sys.
    so calm down :sarcastic:

    ive checked a
    Sapphire Radeon HD5870 Toxic (PCI-e, 2GB GDDR5 Speicher, HDMI) Full Retail
    for 534 €/$
    ,too.
    better choise?

    and my system:


    http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001OD1I76/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0DJ19QSGBWAE9SMN2300&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128
    look for info at bottom of the page, too.



    NAB :kaola:
  10. nforce4max said:
    NAB :kaola:


    well, nobody knows everything :heink:
    :sol:
  11. Yep it works with any windows.

    What brand is the PSU?

    What's the length of that case, it's a custom case I think, the 5970 is pretty long.

    LE: It's 305mm long, check if it fits.
  12. I think your case is a mini tower. The board is a mini-atx. So chances are it won't fit, you need at least a mid tower.
  13. mosox said:
    Yep it works with any windows.

    What brand is the PSU?

    What's the length of that case, it's a custom case I think, the 5970 is pretty long.

    LE: It's 305mm long, check if it fits.


    the case is 48,8 cm long
    the problem is the hd bracket
    about 1,5cm to short.
    but i might cut them out with a file,
    without loosing hd slots. :bounce:
    sounds a little harsh, but it doesn´t matter
    because the surface looks better anyway :sol:

    Oh, and the power supply is noname, but reliable.
    Even in continuous operation, i never had problems with that. :)
  14. what screen are you using?
  15. mosox said:
    Yep it works with any windows.

    What brand is the PSU?

    What's the length of that case, it's a custom case I think, the 5970 is pretty long.

    LE: It's 305mm long, check if it fits.


    wait i mean the 5870 now, not the 5970.
    maybe its shorter!
  16. OvrClkr said:
    what screen are you using?


    i have a 1152x864 60hz
    no flatscreen
  17. So you have a 1152x 864 CRT monitor correct? I bet it's either 17" or 19"...

    If so you need to upgrade the screen before anything..
  18. OvrClkr said:
    So you have a 1152x 864 CRT monitor correct? I bet it's either 17" or 19"...

    If so you need to upgrade the screen before anything..


    its 19" i think, so
    what kind of upgrade do you mean?? :??:
  19. The 5970 toxic is too much card for your screen, you can spend 300.00$ on the GPU and get the same exact outcome.

    Buy a bigger screen before you go nuts spending over 1k on the GPU. Not sure if this is some sort of parody but it seems hilarious to me...
  20. rofl_my_waffle said:
    You people can't be serious about needing an 850W power supply and recommending a 1200W power supply. Stop messing with the guy seriously, unless you were actually serious.

    I have a 5970 and luckily a tool to measure power consumption from the wall socket. My system with an i7 920 as the processor draws only 190W idle and a little over 400W when doing prime 95 and furmark at the same time. When playing games, it only eats around 260W.

    In fact the box only recommends 650W for a single 5970 and 850W for crossfire. The manufacturer recommendations are really generous too. I would recommend that if you overclock heavily and that is what the manufacturers are trying to cover.

    To check how many watts your power supply has, just look at the sticker. It should have power information across all the power rails. Though you may still need a better power supply. If you bought a computer from dell or HP, they are usually trast and has absolutely no surge protection because it is cheaper for them to make and warranty the failed computers over the warranty period rather than giving customers quality parts to last forever.


    The Toxic might not need 850w but it is recommended by the manufacturer. A 650w is not going to power up this card under load.
  21. OvrClkr said:
    The 5970 toxic is too much card for your screen, you can spend 300.00$ on the GPU and get the same exact outcome.

    Buy a bigger screen before you go nuts spending over 1k on the GPU. Not sure if this is some sort of parody but it seems hilarious to me...


    :heink: haha.
    do you mean full hd or something?
    i can still get a nice flatscreen later, to improve the quality.
    I want to play my games with max settings and nice frames.
    or do, i have a serious lag in game/White screen? :(
  22. derkevevin said:
    wait i mean the 5870 now, not the 5970.
    maybe its shorter!


    Oops didn't read your second post just the first one with the 5970. The 5870 Toxic is about 257mm.
  23. you need at least screen which supports 1620x1050 and no lower than that, for card like 5870 or 5970 there is no reason for lower resolutions. you can have same gaming experience with 5770 with your crt. so buy some nice 24" monitor and that's just my opinion ;]
  24. If he has the money for a HD5970, he has the money for a HD5870+a good monitor.
  25. mosox said:
    If he has the money for a HD5970, he has the money for a HD5870+a good monitor.



    Some common sense at last +1
  26. mosox said:
    If he has the money for a HD5970, he has the money for a HD5870+a good monitor.



    of course.. like i said "buy"
  27. If you don't get a semi-decent screen, that graphics card is a waste. Even something that isn't expensive, like this ASUS VH226H. After rebates, shipping and taxes, you get a 1920 x 1080 monitor for $180. That's the monitor I just ordered for a 5870 build and that was already bare minimum. There's also the Dell ST2410 for $189.99 plus shipping and taxes. I'm not going to say that you should buy something like the Dell 3007 WFP, but most people who buy a ~$1000 graphics card are going to at least get a good screen to watch it on.
  28. rofl_my_waffle said:
    You people can't be serious about needing an 850W power supply and recommending a 1200W power supply. Stop messing with the guy seriously, unless you were actually serious.

    I have a 5970 and luckily a tool to measure power consumption from the wall socket. My system with an i7 920 as the processor draws only 190W idle and a little over 400W when doing prime 95 and furmark at the same time. When playing games, it only eats around 260W.

    In fact the box only recommends 650W for a single 5970 and 850W for crossfire. The manufacturer recommendations are really generous too. I would recommend that if you overclock heavily and that is what the manufacturers are trying to cover.

    To check how many watts your power supply has, just look at the sticker. It should have power information across all the power rails. Though you may still need a better power supply. If you bought a computer from dell or HP, they are usually trast and has absolutely no surge protection because it is cheaper for them to make and warranty the failed computers over the warranty period rather than giving customers quality parts to last forever.


    He was talking about HD5970 Toxic @ 900/1200(factory defaults), and simply 650 is not enough for this card.
  29. A minimum of a quality 650watt can run a regular 5970 2GB at stock (750watt for user OC), but a Toxic 4GB edition will need a minimum of a quality 750watt power supply (850watt for additional user OC).

    5970 stock - quality 650watt minimum
    5970 OC - quality 750watt minimum
    5970 toxic stock - quality 750watt minimum
    5970 toxic OC - quality 850watt minimum
  30. I think the OP is confused, pairing up a 1k+ GPU on a 500$ system is going to cause a massive bottleneck from the get-go.

    He needs a new screen, new PSU, raise the CPU clock to at least 3Ghz and then he can think of installing that toxic (assuming it will fit in that case).
  31. OvrClkr said:
    I think the OP is confused, pairing up a 1k+ GPU on a 500$ system is going to cause a massive bottleneck from the get-go.

    He needs a new screen, new PSU, raise the CPU clock to at least 3Ghz and then he can think of installing that toxic (assuming it will fit in that case).


    True, true...
  32. mosox said:
    If he has the money for a HD5970, he has the money for a HD5870+a good monitor.


    no, i would safe more to buy a 5970.
    the 5870, i can buy next month.
    plus a monitor http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-1070

    or a PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182072&cm_re=ATX_Power_Supply-_-17-182-072-_-Product
  33. OvrClkr said:
    I think the OP is confused, pairing up a 1k+ GPU on a 500$ system is going to cause a massive bottleneck from the get-go.

    He needs a new screen, new PSU, raise the CPU clock to at least 3Ghz and then he can think of installing that toxic (assuming it will fit in that case).


    OK
    i have some more questions

    Does it REALY work with XP now?
    CPU overclocking?why? its not to slow, works between 20 and 30% in gtaiv.
    And it NEVER reached 100%, jet.
    here my sys. again: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001OD1I76/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0DJ19QSGBWAE9SMN2300&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128
    read my last post about my money and new screen/psu
    does it work now with my 600 watts psu, until i get a new one or something?
    or doesnt it even start or may it cause damage to my system?
    (please help me with this psu!
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=17-182-072&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&SelectedRating=1&PurchaseMark=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&Page=1&Keywords=
    it would look badass with my sys. and it still has 60% 5 star rewiews, but the 1 stars
    say it will burn my whole system/hood wtf???)

    and What about newegg, are they shipping to germany, too?(maybe you know? can i pay in€?)
    look at this board http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=97580;PROVID=2028
    (or on newegg) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131386&Tpk=ASUS%20P6T%20SE
    is it a good choise? (compatible?)
    Do i have to reinstall my os or something when changing the main board?
    i wanna crossfire!
    does the toxic 5870(remember not 5970)
    like my 4850?
    ok, thats it...
    for the moment :)
  34. mosox said:
    Oops didn't read your second post just the first one with the 5970. The 5870 Toxic is about 257mm.


    BUYA! :D

    25,7 cm fit without problems :ange:

    you didnt build my pc or the graph. card,
    but thank YOU ;)

    ok, so ill probably buy this card soon.
    but i still have some questions about hardware and
    possible issues with my sys.
    look at my last post, if you want.
  35. derkevevin said:
    OK
    i have some more questions

    Does it REALY work with XP now?
    CPU overclocking?why? its not to slow, works between 20 and 30% in gtaiv.
    And it NEVER reached 100%, jet.
    here my sys. again: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B001OD1I76/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_i1?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0DJ19QSGBWAE9SMN2300&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128
    read my last post about my money and new screen/psu
    does it work now with my 600 watts psu, until i get a new one or something?
    or doesnt it even start or may it cause damage to my system?
    (please help me with this psu!
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=17-182-072&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&SelectedRating=1&PurchaseMark=&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&Page=1&Keywords=
    it would look badass with my sys. and it still has 60% 5 star rewiews, but the 1 stars
    say it will burn my whole system/hood wtf???)

    and What about newegg, are they shipping to germany, too?(maybe you know? can i pay in€?)
    look at this board http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=97580;PROVID=2028
    (or on newegg) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131386&Tpk=ASUS%20P6T%20SE
    is it a good choise? (compatible?)
    Do i have to reinstall my os or something when changing the main board?
    i wanna crossfire!
    does the toxic 5870(remember not 5970)
    like my 4850?
    ok, thats it...
    for the moment :)



    You have a lot to learn :)

    You are trying to squeeze a v8 motor inside a Ford Fiesta :D , its not going to work.

    A card of that caliber needs to be paired with a system that can take full advantage of its power. Buy a bigger screen, something like a 24" BenQ or equivalent @ 1920x 1080, then get yourself a nice 750w PSU and then opt for the video card.

    The card works fine in XP, but if you are going to spend that much money you might as well update the OS. No point in running a DX11 card in XP.
  36. OvrClkr said:
    You have a lot to learn :)

    You are trying to squeeze a v8 motor inside a Ford Fiesta :D , its not going to work.

    A card of that caliber needs to be paired with a system that can take full advantage of its power. Buy a bigger screen, something like a 24" BenQ or equivalent @ 1920x 1080, then get yourself a nice 750w PSU and then opt for the video card.

    The card works fine in XP, but if you are going to spend that much money you might as well update the OS. No point in running a DX11 card in XP.


    ?
    i´ve listet some hardware i could get above?
    a main board
    a psu
    and a screen

    didnt you read?
  37. What are you doing with that mobo? Your CPU doesn't work in that.
  38. http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3221/pict0024f.jpg

    If you can fit this than you will be ok since this card that I got is the same size as the 5970. :kaola:
  39. mosox said:
    What are you doing with that mobo? Your CPU doesn't work in that.

    ? because its made for i7?
    does it only work with a i7 cpu? :heink:
    well then i should pick another.
    maybe you can help me again? (and maybe on a german side, again? ;) )
    and if you know about mobo´s
    do you know how many gr.cards i can (and/or) should use for crossfire?
    and does the 5870 toxic like my 4850?
    or is it to "toxic"?
    thanks!
  40. derkevevin said:
    ? because its made for i7?
    does it only work with a i7 cpu? :heink:
    well then i should pick another.
    maybe you can help me again? (and maybe on a german side, again? ;) )
    and if you know about mobo´s
    do you know how many gr.cards i can (and/or) should use for crossfire?
    and does the 5870 toxic like my 4850?
    or is it to "toxic"?
    thanks!


    for CF it is not necessary to be exactly the same card, but it should be 5800 series.
  41. Vnix said:


    well the psu seems to be good, but its expansive, too.
    how many pci-e "slots" does it have?
    i found it on a german side, too.
    http://computer.hitmeister.de/energieversorgung/oczz850m-un-23812881/?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=organic
    is it crossfire ready too, or only sli?

    and the board is too expansive,
    i dont already need a high end board, i think and then
    again this "compatible: cpu i7 extreme" thing. wtf?
    are they stupid?

    but this one is like made for me, i think:
    http://www.hoh.de/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=1&IT=119220&CT=6922&tduid=47ea18577c22dfdde4086d417300bf05
    it has the most pro`s of your board, too and usb 3.0
    you may search it for an english describtion
  42. derkevevin said:
    well the psu seems to be good, but its expansive, too.
    how many pci-e "slots" does it have?
    i found it on a german side, too.
    http://computer.hitmeister.de/energieversorgung/oczz850m-un-23812881/?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=organic
    is it crossfire ready too, or only sli?

    and the board is too expansive,
    i dont already need a high end board, i think and then
    again this "compatible: cpu i7 extreme" thing. wtf?
    are they stupid?

    but this one is like made for me, i think:
    http://www.hoh.de/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=1&IT=119220&CT=6922&tduid=47ea18577c22dfdde4086d417300bf05
    it has the most pro`s of your board, too and usb 3.0
    you may search it for an english describtion


    When it is SLi ready, then of course it is CF ready :), if we dont count the 5970 Toxic, which needs 2x 8pin connection for proper power usage. It may have a higher price but you can count on it. Better to have tougher power supply, than fried computer ;)

    -Motherboard that i recommended is same price (236 Euros, to be more precise) as the last one you posted so... :sarcastic:
  43. Vnix said:
    When it is SLi ready, then of course it is CF ready :), if we dont count the 5970 Toxic, which needs 2x 8pin connection for proper power usage. It may have a higher price but you can count on it. Better to have tougher power supply, than fried computer ;)

    -Motherboard that i recommended is same price (236 Euros, to be more precise) as the last one you posted so... :sarcastic:


    ok, but if i buy a good psu, i want it ready for the next
    cards. i dont think that ati will need 4x 8 pin(or are they stupid?)
    but i think i should have more.
    i dont need 20 different hd cables instead.
    and what about short circuit protection,
    will it safe my system in 5 years? or doesnt help it at all?
    and if i buy a 1000w for example, is it only at 1000w when the sys. needs it,
    or does it only waste all the time?
    about the mobo (sounds like hobo :sol: )
    i expectet a price about 290 € because i thougt the pound has a higher value,
    and the asus is still cheaper:p

    and this "compatible: cpu i7 extreme" wtf - thing,now?
    i think this psu mobo thing will take a while...
    Kevin :)
  44. Don't buy a mobo you don't need it. If you buy a new mobo you'll need to change the CPU and the RAM. You only need a PSU, a better video card and a monitor.
  45. mosox said:
    Don't buy a mobo you don't need it. If you buy a new mobo you'll need to change the CPU and the RAM. You only need a PSU, a better video card and a monitor.



    whats wrong with my cpu?
    ok my ram is only ddr2. but can i still use it with better ddr3 together?
    maybe i dont have to buy a new mobo
    but i need it for crossfire, and MORE ram.
    the current only has only two ddr (2) ram slots.
    and they only detect 3,5gb (of4) ram.
    of course i want a mobo that detects all my fcking memory...
    system details at bottom of this side:
    http://redirectingat.com/?id=1402X558040&xs=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.de%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB001OD1I76%2Fref%3Ds9_simh_gw_p147_i1%3Fpf_rd_m%3DA3JWKAKR8XB7XF%26pf_rd_s%3Dcenter-2%26pf_rd_r%3D0DJ19QSGBWAE9SMN2300%26pf_rd_t%3D101%26pf_rd_p%3D463375173%26pf_rd_i%3D301128&sref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.co.uk%2Fforum%2Fmessage.php%3Fconfig%3Dtomshardwareuk.inc%26cat%3D15%26post%3D291230%26numrep%3D2164391%26ref%3D48%26page%3D1%26p%3D1%26subcat%3D208%26sondage%3D0%26owntopic%3D0%26new%3D0%23formulaire
    maybe you look at my last questions, too.
    (for example DO I HAVE TO REINSTALL OS, WITH A NEW MOBO???)
    Kevin ;)
  46. hehe
    hey guys
    remember me?
    wanna know what i bought and what i didnt buy?

    well
    i have a new monitor still a fat old one xD but its bigger (screen, and the wight is about 25kg :))
    AND
    i have a new graphics card of course
    i kept looking for the 5870 toxic but it was like
    aliens came and took it away because human race is not ready for that technology xP

    anyways, when searching for it ati released new generations, the 6000 series :o
    and there were new sapphire toxic editions o.0
    finally there was 6870 and 6890
    i took the
    Sapphire HD 6870 TOXIC 1GB
    WITH ->970(!!!!!!!!)fricken Megahertz<- !!! ;///
    -even faster then the 5870/5890 and every other card ive seen yet ;/

    i didnt change mainboardcpu psu or anything else (running fine with 600w)
    first i had it on win XP, then on win7 32/64bit

    ok, i think i could get more power with more ram, better mainboard cpu and stuff,
    but i can play most games on max settings with no problems
    and in the end i didnt pay 2000$ for it :) the new card was just 209€ btw! great price, huh?
    comp was 535€ -about 65€ for HD 4850 +209€ = 679€ ;/

    k then guys, thanks for helping and stuff
    greetings,

    derkevevin
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