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June 21, 2010 6:55:51 AM

Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.100226-1909)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Compaq Presario 061
System Model: RE473AA-ABA SR2020NX NA680
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 2046MB RAM
Page File: 941MB used, 5104MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11


Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 8600 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0402&SUBSYS_050E10DE&REV_A1
Display Memory: 1266 MB
Dedicated Memory: 499 MB
Shared Memory: 767 MB
Current Mode: 1440 x 900 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: Hanns.G HW191
Monitor Id: HSD8991
Native Mode: 1440 x 900(p) (59.887Hz)
Output Type: DVI
June 21, 2010 7:07:01 AM

Looking at your video card it seems to suck a good amount of your memory up, so Id assume getting a new video card would be better. The change from integrated to non-integrated will take less pressure on your CPU and memory usage. So in the long run upgrading the card first will benefit you. With a 1.8hz 939 sempron and an 8600GT (non integrated) I was able to run fallout 3 on medium with 25-45 fps. 1280x1024 res I believe.
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June 21, 2010 7:15:42 AM

i play wow so im looking to boost the fps what would be a good upgrade
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June 21, 2010 7:18:01 AM

Most likely graphics again. It takes less off your memory and processor, therefore you have more RAM for WoW, better graphics and your processor takes less of a load.
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June 21, 2010 7:19:43 AM

jasonpwns said:
Looking at your video card it seems to suck a good amount of your memory up, so Id assume getting a new video card would be better. The change from integrated to non-integrated will take less pressure on your CPU and memory usage. So in the long run upgrading the card first will benefit you. With a 1.8hz 939 sempron and an 8600GT (non integrated) I was able to run fallout 3 on medium with 25-45 fps. 1280x1024 res I believe.


wat do u mean by integrated to non integrated?
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June 21, 2010 7:24:37 AM

mjsharma said:
wat do u mean by integrated to non integrated?



I was assuming his graphics was integrated, and if it isn't then it is sucking off his memory I believe.


Shared Memory: 767 MB

My bad if it isn't integrated. Graphics still may be better depending.
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June 21, 2010 7:25:23 AM

btw i dnt know much abt amd cpus....may b someone else ll help u wid it...
but 8600gt isnt that much powerful card...may b if u upgrade ur cpu may hold u back...(not sure) but i ll say upgrade ur grphx card if u seriously wanna do some gamin stuffs...
for low to medium settings 8600gt ll do above that it ll struggle...
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June 21, 2010 7:28:03 AM

jasonpwns said:
I was assuming his graphics was integrated, and if it isn't then it is sucking off his memory I believe.


Shared Memory: 767 MB

My bad if it isn't integrated. Graphics still may be better depending.


u were tlkin abt integrated ramdac rite?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAMDAC
thats ramdac
and yeah his gpu isnt integrated
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June 21, 2010 7:28:12 AM

mjsharma said:
btw i dnt know much abt amd cpus....may b someone else ll help u wid it...
but 8600gt isnt that much powerful card...may b if u upgrade ur cpu may hold u back...(not sure) but i ll say upgrade ur grphx card if u seriously wanna do some gamin stuffs...
for low to medium settings 8600gt ll do above that it ll struggle...



Dung, I consider 40-45 fps playable with fallout 3 on high settings with a 2.2GHZ Amd Dual core socket 939 and an 8600GT 512mb.

Anyways onto the problem. It would be nice if you could help us out by giving more info. Such as your current fps, etc. Also turning off shared memory may help.
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June 21, 2010 7:29:52 AM

if u dont face much prob wid fps wait for sometime save some more money and upgrade both cpu nd gpu.. :) 
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June 21, 2010 7:35:01 AM

i just generalized it, i also had 8600gt and have played fallout 3 in high settings... turn on aa nd see... u ll throw that card away...
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June 21, 2010 7:52:59 AM

I had AA on like 4. I am upgrading to a 9800gt soon anyways
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June 21, 2010 8:49:45 AM

That single core 3500+ is going to start holding you back more and more. 1440x900 isn't that big, so you'll be ok with the 9800GT. But even that card will start to bottlenecked some. You got to move up to a dual core at some point.
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June 21, 2010 9:48:52 AM

OK, since you do have a somewhat decent card for WoW, I suggest you get a new processor. I have noticed in my past WoW experience that it relies more on processing then video due to having to load tons of people in one map. This is the best processor I could find that your motherboard actually supports. http://cgi.ebay.com/AMD-Athlon-64-X2-3800-2GHz-CPU-ADO3... I suggest instead of getting a processor you get a new motherboard instead.
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June 21, 2010 2:02:39 PM

k More leaning to the card i figured it would be the processor since it was single core . someone also said turn off shared memory how do i do so >??
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June 21, 2010 4:02:29 PM

Shared memory I am assuming would be in your bios. I suggest you buy a new motherboard though, your motherboard isn't the best and it would be an investment in the future just to get rid of it now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here, this one supports your current processor and you can upgrade to even a quad core in the future if you want to. The price isn't half bad either.
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June 21, 2010 4:40:12 PM

That doesn't support his current CPU or memory if he has a 3500+ on Socket 939. He'd either have to know what he bought, or run CPUz to find out.
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June 21, 2010 5:00:01 PM

The hp/compaq website says Socket AM2 with DDR2 Memory.
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June 21, 2010 5:04:30 PM

the 3500 + is am2 im almost positive because i bought a used athlon 64 x 2 and it was damaged never got another
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June 21, 2010 5:05:54 PM

with the spec i have now in raid im only at 12 FPS and thats with NO graphic i refuse to pay to play anymore if im only enjoying typing lol =) just wanna get this old machine running better till i have enough to get a new board card and cpu
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June 21, 2010 5:06:11 PM

OK, then I suggest you buy that motherboard. Then you can extend your upgrading capabilities in the future, thus you will see a bigger increase in FPS then if you upgraded your processor or video card on this current motherboard.
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June 21, 2010 5:18:45 PM

so if i get this mother board with the hardware i have already would i bump my fps up a tad or would i just have the foundation to build a better comp from ?
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June 21, 2010 5:21:00 PM

or even a mother board cpu combo that will last awile and is pretty cheap so of coarce im looking for amd since i dont have a few extra hundred to spend on bard and processor
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June 21, 2010 5:24:41 PM

My wife is using my old S939 3500+, so thats why I mentioned it.

You wont' see an increase just by using the board. It will allow you to put faster parts in later. If you have an AM2 setup now, you might want to just buy a new CPU ad GPU. Do you live in the US and can you buy from newegg? A cheap AM2 dual core and a faster video card can be yours for ~$100 I'm sure.
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June 21, 2010 5:54:19 PM

yeah i live in US i think im just gonna go with a new board combo and deal with what i have for now but This is ware im 100 % computer idiot i know *** about mother boards as ive never built from mother board up
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June 21, 2010 6:08:01 PM

Then upgrade both? I'm not sure what your budget is but here's a cheapish CPU and video card.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Dual core 5200. 65W CPU so you can probably reuse your existing heatsink. $55 shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GT240 video card. Performs somewhere between the 9600GT and the 9800GT. Faster then your current card, but not overly so. $65 out the door, but has a $20 rebate bringing it down to $45.

$55 + $45 = 100. You'll see the biggest jump due to the CPU. I'm tempted to tell you to try that first and then upgrade the GPU if you need to. The GT240 is faster for sure, but I'm not sure its worth the $$$ over an 8600GT. Knowing what resolution you play at would help. BTW, if $100 is to much you can try this CPU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sempron x2 2300 for $42. Only saves $13 and doesn't really offer much. $42 + $45 = $87 so if it fits the budget better you can go for that.
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June 21, 2010 6:11:51 PM

They won't work, 4745454b, do your research. Brisbane CPU's have issues inside his MB and don't work right. They also require a rigged bios to work. So his best option is upgrading the motherboard. Trust me I did the research and that is the census I came up with. If he wants a true FPS increase with WoW he can go with the board and a new dual core processor.

I suggest this


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If your budget supports it. This will give you a huge boost.

If you need a less expensive motherboard, this one also seems good, less ram slots but with ram sticks getting bigger it works.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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June 21, 2010 6:19:01 PM

Perhaps so, but I don't have a link to his computer. If you want to get all technical your board isn't a good idea either as his HP/Compaq windows license won't work on it. I also should have checked his PSU to make sure it can handle a GT240. If its running an 8600GT it can probably still handle the GT240 though.

If Brisbanes do have issues he can always try finding a Windsor second hand somewhere. At least buying a dual core and the GPU will speed things up. (and should keep his windows going.)
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June 21, 2010 6:28:47 PM

It will still cost him more money in the long run. Second hand windsors are pretty expensive and rare to boot. I linked one in here but as multiple people have said when I looked it up the motherboard isn't very good at all. His computer didn't come with windows 7 either, so therefore his OS will work with the new motherboard. I am assuming you didn't read nor research anything before posting. Making you less qualified.
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June 21, 2010 9:52:57 PM

I see cheap windsors all the time on the used forums, shouldn't take much to find one. It might cost more in the long run, but when he does upgrade he'll get even faster parts later.

As for your personal attacks, grow up.

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June 21, 2010 9:56:28 PM

He wants to see an improvement so upgrading motherboards now will show an improvement. How is the truth a personal attack? Obviously you didn't research.
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June 21, 2010 9:57:43 PM

Ok, run this by me. How does spending $75 on a motherboard show an improvement?

The problem here is he wants more speed, but was a budget ever listed?
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June 21, 2010 10:30:23 PM

im on a budget id like to if i did stay within the 150 range for board and processor
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June 22, 2010 2:53:43 AM

Thinking about this more that 8600GT will probably see new life with a dual core CPU. If you look at the reviews on Toms where they test number of cores while gaming you get a good boost by moving to a dual core. I'm sure there will be times where you won't see any increase in FPS, but I bet they would be pretty few. Not to mention your only at 1440x900. An 8600GT (AKA a 9500GT.) is ok for this res.

I myself would probably try to get a bit more use out of that board. Meaning I'd get a dual core and the GT240. But upgrading to a board that handles x3 and x4 chips and a dual or better CPU is fine as well. If you don't see enough gains in your games, you can always add in a new GPU when you save up again.
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June 22, 2010 3:15:03 AM

The tri core and that motherboard is what ill be using in 3-5 days. Ordered it with a cpu and three gigs of ram on ebay for 110$ (122 if you factor shipping) so if you don't want to buy new then try newegg. Make sure you get the parts under warranty though :)  I also have an 8600 so ill load up WoW in a big city and tell you what FPS I get.
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June 22, 2010 3:44:03 AM

I would get a 4650, it's the cheapest GPU that still have some gaming strut.
Even my 2.2GHz C2D bottlenecked my 4670 in AI intensive games (C&C 3), so a 4650 will be able to do the best for that processor.
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June 22, 2010 4:11:52 AM

did alot of research and im thinking of ddr3 quad core MB / cpu just got to find somethign reasonable with ram for about 200
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June 22, 2010 7:18:03 AM

What happened to $150?
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June 22, 2010 10:44:32 PM

Its a DDR2 board, and only one 512MB stick? I guess that will get you running until you can upgrade, but its going to be painful dropping from 2GBs to .5GB.
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