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August 1, 2010 4:41:41 PM

Thinking about this build:

Case - Casecom 6788 Black Mid Tower Case with Full Black Interior/Exterior 120mm Blue LED Front Fan
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172779

Motherboard - Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785G Socket AM3 onboard DVI VGA HDMI 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169532

CPU - AMD Athlon II X3 440 3.0GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 Retail Box Processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191955

CPU Cooler - Could someone please find me a cooler that is compatiable with the processor and motherboard as I couldn't find one :??: 

Power Supply Unit - OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W PSU - 1x PCI-E 6/8pin, 2x SATA 12cm Fan
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159

Memory - Crucial 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz/PC3-10600 Ballistix Memory Kit CL7 (7-7-7-24) 1.65V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/179278

Graphics - Asus GTS250 512MB DDR3 DVI VGA HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card WOW Edition
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/220308

HDD - Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146252

Optical Drive - Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/227080


Does this all look ok? All compatible with eachother. Just want a mid-range gaming PC that can play SC2 on high settings.

Feel free to change anything so long as the price doesn't go too high.

Thanks :) 

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Anonymous
August 1, 2010 6:44:25 PM

Also, what is the cheapest price for Windows 7 Home Premium in the UK?
August 2, 2010 7:11:40 PM

Yea good choices across the board - all compatible. The case you chose will prevent you from buying a large tower cooler. Which is fine if you aren't going to be OCing a large amount, in which case either of these would be my suggestion: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev. 2 £16 or Coolermaster Typer TX3 £18.

The only way I know to save any money on the retail price of Win 7 is if you are or know a student.
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August 2, 2010 7:31:06 PM

change the gtx250 to a radeon 5770 to get a big increase in graphics and performance, for about 40 euro more.(get the 512mb version and save a little $, but the 1gb is worth it)
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/231359

this is also a better psu, as it is 80+ certified and 430w is enough for your build
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/120376

other than that, it all looks ok
August 3, 2010 1:52:40 PM

Thanks mate, I'll get the 5770 instead.

EDIT: Sorry Silvune, just saw your post, thanks a lot.


PS: Won't be purchasing for a couple of weeks yet so more input and critique is welcome :) 
August 3, 2010 2:20:40 PM

Personally, for £5 more I would get the G Skill 1600mhz RAM.
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490

Also, what resolution are you playing at?

If you play at high resolution or plan on doing so in the future then you may consider spending an extra £25 on the motherboard that has Crossfire capabilities (the mobo you picked would run Xfire at x4/x4 which would cripple performance of cards). Also your mobo is a bit expensive, there are cheaper non XFire boards available. But below is an XFire one
Asus M4A79XTD EVO - £90
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/search_results.php?sortby...

or you can buy it at scan
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Asus-M4A79XTD-EVO-AMD-79...(x16)-DDR3-1333-1600-1800-SATA-3Gb-s-ATX

or novatech
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/Mot...

Whichever has cheapest shipping.
Of course the problem is you would then want a more power PSU. Like the XFX 650W at £69.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191826



August 3, 2010 2:24:09 PM

I felt that Asus 785G is a tad overpriced and if u dun need IGP (u hit a discrete) hit an Asrock 770
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/174597
and hit a better case with better cooling options/PSU? StealthXtreme line not 80+ btw
August 3, 2010 2:36:39 PM

I don't know about the graphics card, its not the card but the brand. Ive never heard any great reviews about asus graphic cards. I know all brands carry the same specs, but some brands have side features that makes them great.

Havent seen the asus gts info, so no judgement, yet!
August 3, 2010 5:08:26 PM

What does "80+" mean??

Is it important?
August 3, 2010 5:11:58 PM

Sorry for double post, wouldn't let me edit.

For gaming purposes would it be worth getting a quad core processor rather than that tri-core?
August 3, 2010 5:19:17 PM

think you should get a 700w psu since they're cheaper now
August 3, 2010 8:01:51 PM

80+ is the efficiency lvl of a PSU, and in general it is the sign of a good (or at least reasonable) quality.
phenom II x4 955 is great, but when on a budget, the tri core is an excellent choice
August 4, 2010 1:21:24 PM

This is now what I am thinking after some changes that people suggested and it comes just under my £500 budget.

Case - Casecom 6788 Black Mid Tower Case with Full Black Interior/Exterior 120mm Blue LED Front Fan
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172779

Motherboard - ASROCK M3A770DE 770 Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/174597

CPU - AMD Athlon II X3 440 3.0GHz 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 Retail Box Processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/191955

CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 Socket 775, 1156, 1366, AM2, AM3 Heatpipe CPU Cooler
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176157

Power Supply Unit - OCZ Stealth Xtream 500W PSU - 1x PCI-E 6/8pin, 2x SATA 12cm Fan
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135159

Memory - G-Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ripjaw Memory Kit CL7(7-8-7-24) 1.65V
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/180490

Graphics - XFX HD 5770 1GB DDR5 Dual DVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Graphics Card
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/231359

HDD - Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146252

Optical Drive - Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/227080
August 4, 2010 2:09:01 PM

Looks a pretty fine build to me
August 5, 2010 4:12:19 AM

well, it looks like a very decent low-budget build. good job.
August 18, 2010 2:27:14 PM

I'm thinking. For gaming would it be worth going to 1920x1200? I'm currently trying out my 28" TV and it looks great. However would I have to upgrade anything because of the higher resolution? ( I would be connecting it by HDMI btw)
August 18, 2010 3:47:49 PM

Solely for SC2, the 5770 will be fine at 1920x1200. For FPS games, it's not going to be as great, but they should play with lowered details.

With an overclocked i7-920, the 5770 gets an average of 45 fps on ultra details and 60 fps at high details, even if you knock off 1/3rd for having a less fancy processor (probably excessive), you're still at 30+ fps, which is quite playable for an RTS game.

As a note, SC2 doesn't display more screen area with higher resolutions, just more pixels/detail.
August 18, 2010 7:37:48 PM

One is an upgrade edition, which you would use on a PC that already has a Windows OS on it. So you probably want the OEM version.
August 18, 2010 7:52:51 PM

The second one is an upgrade edition, usually used if you're already running XP or Vista on the machine.

The first one is 64-bit OEM, which is what most people go with. It's a full install disc, the only caveats are that you're not able to use the license on a new computer (if you get a different motherboard, you will usually have to call up Microsoft and see if they'll give you a new key). You're also not able to call up Microsoft directly for help with OS support, but I don't know anyone that has had to do that...I just google the answer myself.
August 19, 2010 9:27:25 PM

Sorry........ another question :) 

With that case and the components would it be worth be getting a fan to go on the back or side or both? (Keeping in mind it already has a 120mm fan on the front.

Thanks
August 19, 2010 9:40:47 PM

Personally I would want a fan in the rear and on top. However unless you're getting the cheapest fans available then you could probably get a more expensive case with more fans included for the price.
August 23, 2010 4:55:50 PM

Just checking over everything because i'm getting the parts later in the week. As its my first build i'm quite nervous and I want everything to be perfect before I buy.

Couple of other things:
1) Is 4GB RAM enough for gaming?
2) Do I need to buy any cables etc or are they included? Eg, do you usually get a SATA cable with the optical/Hard drve?
3) I've noticed the Optical drive is SATA and the HDD is SATA II. Does this matter? Do they both have the same cable and plugs?
4) Will this build support Windows 7 64b?

Finally. Once I have the PC built and installed Windows 7 OS, in what order should I install the drivers? (Mobo, GPU drivers etc)
August 23, 2010 8:20:58 PM

1) Yes 4GB is plenty for gaming.
2) You usually get two sata cables with a motherboard, you can check the actual number that comes with your motherboard by either a. checking the picture on newegg that shows what's included in the box b. checking a review of the motherboard c. perhaps if you go to the product page of that motherboard it will say somewhere, altho I haven't found this in my experience
3) No, it does not matter, you are correct that the same cable and plugs will work.
4) Yes.

I didn't bother installing drivers for particular things with my build, I just let Windows 7 do it. Altho obviously installing the most up-to-date video card drivers is a good idea for the boost in performance that can be provided.
August 24, 2010 11:18:25 AM

Ooh, turns out I have another £200 to spend which brings my budget up to £700/750.

How much better would a £700 build be compared to the £500 one? Would there be a great difference? Or would I be better off keeping the £200?
August 24, 2010 6:11:39 PM

Personally I would get a higher end case 'something around the £60 mark would be decent like the Xigamatek Utgard, Lian Li Lancool PC-K58 or get something around the £40 mark and add fans.
GPU even a 768MB GTX 460 would be a nice improvement over a 5770 and only adds ~£30-40.
You could get a higher quality/more efficient power supply.

After that you'd probably be better keeping ~£100 in your pocket.
August 24, 2010 8:22:42 PM

Kl, I'll consider a more expensive case. Read a bit about the GTX 460 and it sounds like an excellent card. How much better is it though? Would I notice a huge difference when playing games? Should I get the 1GB version?
Also, if I am gettting a more powerful GPU would it be worth the extra ~£50 for a Quad core CPU or would that be unnecessary?

Sorry for all the questions but you'll only have to put up with me for a few more days :D 
August 25, 2010 1:59:57 AM

Depends on your resolution. The higher the resolution the more likely it is that a GTX 460 will give you playable framerates where a 5770 will not. Also with a higher resolution you are more likely to want a 1GB 460. According to one review I read, a 1GB 460 is more likely to last longer/be a bit more futureproof/more able than the 768MB version to deal with more demanding games.

No, it probably isn't necessary. But why not? It could be useful. It will be a bit more futureproof and doesn't SC2 benefit from four cores.
August 25, 2010 9:51:48 AM

I think I'll go for ~£50 more on the GPU to get a 1GB GTX 460.
~£50 more on the CPU to get Quad core.
~£20 more on the case w/ better cooling.

I may not fully need the GPU and CPU at the moment. But I'm also thinking of ways I can save money by slightly future-proofing myself.

I'll post my final build later and once thats been ok'ed by a few people, I can order and get out of your hair (unless something goes wrong :p )
August 25, 2010 3:34:29 PM

Right, 3rd time lucky. This is now what I'm thinking. Main impreovements are the quad core CPU and the new GPU which for a bit of extra cash now, should save me a bit of money down the road.

Case - Casecom 6788 Black Mid Tower Case with Full Black Interior/Exterior 120mm Blue LED Front Fan
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/172779
£29.91
(^ I will be putting extra 120mm fans in the case)

Motherboard - ASROCK M3A770DE 770 Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Motherboards/...(AMD)/ASRock+M3A770DE+AMD770+(Socket+AM3)+DDR3+Motherboard+?productId=37777
£55.21

CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Socket AM3 3.2 GHz 8MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190673
£109.37

CPU Cooler - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro rev 2 Socket 775, 1156, 1366, AM2, AM3 Heatpipe CPU Cooler
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176157
£15.94

Power Supply Unit - Huntkey 600W Balance Power PSU - 12cm Fan with 6x SATA 2x PCI-E
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/176439
£47.66

Memory - G-Skill 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600MHz/PC3-12800 Ripjaw Memory Kit CL7(7-8-7-24) 1.65V
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+D...
£82.24

Graphics - Asus GTX 460 ENGTX460 1GB DIRECTCU/2DI/1GD5 Voltage Tweak Edition + Starcraft II Trial + Just Cause 2
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/Asus...
£176.24

HDD - Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146252
£33.09

Optical Drive - Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive - OEM
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/227080
£13.99

Sorry that I havn't linked everything but I just want some confirmation if it is all compatiable with eachother as I am definitley looking to buy in the next few days.

Couple of things I picked up in while reading through some stuff:

1) Ive read some reviews of this CPU and people have been talking about a "stock cooler." Does that mean that this CPU comes with its own cooler already built in? If so, should I use that one or still buy the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7?

2) The CPU information page says "Combined with ATI Radeon HD graphics cards, they deliver extreme visual performance." Stupid question but will the new GPU work with the CPU as I don't think the new GPU I picked is an ATI card?

The previous build came to about £550. This one comes to about £650. Is is better than the previous build? I'm guessing so mainly due to the quad core CPU and the GTX 460

Any last minute improvements?

Thanks

August 25, 2010 4:59:31 PM

Yes it is all compatible. Yea it's a better build and will last a nice long time.

1) Yes 'Retail' CPUs come with a stock cooler, with thermal paste preapplied. OEM CPUs are pretty much just the CPU. If you're not overclocking or don't care about noise then the stock cooler will be fine.

2) Yes the GPU will work with that CPU. The only two things you need for a GPU to work is the correct slot on the motherboard for the GPU to go into, and enough power.

Which brings me to your PSU. Huntkey are known as a pretty bad brand. I've seen a video where one blew up. Aside from that I don't know much about it. I always try to stick to suggesting PSUs that I know are good or understand.
So I'd suggest either of these:
Be Quiet Pure Power 530W 80Plus £49
OCZ StealthXStream 2 600W 80Plus £60
Be Quiet Special Edition White 600W E7 £60 - I believe this one is 80Plus Bronze certified, as I think this is just a Be Quiet Straight Power E7 600W with a paint job.
August 25, 2010 5:38:21 PM

Ok, Thanks.

I'll order over the weekend, have the parts early next week and should be built by this time next week. I'll let u know how it goes :S
September 1, 2010 4:47:38 PM

YAY! My first build is done and sucessful!

Final build:

Antect 300 case (1x 140mm and 3x 120mm fans)
ASROCK M3A770DE 770 Socket AM3 8 Channel Audio ATX Motherboard
Phenom x4 955 Black Edition
Be Quiet Pure Power 520w 80plus
G-Skill 4GB RAM
Asus GTX 460
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive
Samsung TS-H653G DVD-RW SATA Optical Drive

Worked first time! Idle temps are around 30 for GPU and about 37 for CPU.

Just Cause 2, all settings on high 16x AA and Massive explosions, GPU temp didn't rise above 55.

Very, very happy.

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this computer. Exactly a month since I started this thread and I have learned so much about computer hardware. Thanks again. :) 

P.S - Sorry for all the questions :p 
!