[Solved] First timer building a StarCraft 2 rig!

Dear Tom's Hardwarians! I have a mission for you, and that is to help a 16 year old dude build his very first computer!

The Scenario
-Run StarCraft 2 in High/Ultra with good fps (40+) even on big custom maps.
-Use my old hard drive. I can't separate from my XP Home Edition .

My build

GPU $230

MOTHERBOARD $140

4GB RAM $100

POWER SUPPLY $120

CPU $170

= $760

Questions:
-For the case, should I use my spare computer's case?
-Do I really need a power supply? I got a spare power supply thats probably 500w.

Also feel free to recommend any changes!

Reply to pasido

The parts you picked cannot work together, you have an intel processor and an AM3 board, not a chance of it fitting together. Post using this template and we can help you pick out parts that will actually be compatible, of good quality, and work well for your needs.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ild-advice

Reply to hunter315

OR I can upgrade my 5 year old computer

Intel 3.0ghz single core -> Duo Core 3.0ghz $170
ATI HD4650 1G -> NVIDIA GTX460 $230
2G DDR RAM + 2G DDR RAM $75
= $475

Now I'm not sure if all of these fit into a 5 year old computer

Reply to pasido

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This month

BUDGET RANGE: 500-900 Before Rebate

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: StarCraft 2 and upcoming Blizzard games

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, Casing, Power Supply (BFGR 450W)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA east

PARTS PREFERENCES: can adapt

OVERCLOCKING: No

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024

ADDITIONAL COMMENT: I'm building this in case my 5 year old computer can't be upgraded

Message edited by pasido on 08-01-2010 at 10:17:15 PM

Reply to pasido

What case do you currently have? Im going to include a new PSU in my build because your old one isnt too good, and a new case just to make sure you can fit everything.

This comes to $870 before $20 MIR
Gigabyte GTX 460 $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125333

XFX 650W/Antec 900 $165 - $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.454719

Samsung F3 1TB $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] k=F3%201TB

Gskill Eco 2x2GB 1600MHz $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

i5 760/ASUS P7P55 LX $295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.454575

If you need a new copy of windows it will add another 90 or 100 onto the price.

Reply to hunter315

Or a Athlon II x3 for like $80
for graphics an HD 5770 for like $150
and a 770 chipset mobo for like $80

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

Message edited by mrhoshos96 on 08-02-2010 at 03:27:44 AM

Reply to mrhoshos96

Quote :

here is a build for $745.92 before $40 rebates

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103808

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226154

psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341016

gpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125333

mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130290

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148433

case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811163168

odd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136180

this build can max out any game at that resoloution

Wow thanks for your build

So after rebate its $700, and with my 450W extra power supply and extra case, thats ~$590.

Ok I've never dealt with a new hard drive before, so should I buy the Windows 7 System Builder's software to install it into that hard drive?

I'd really love to copy the contents of my old hard drive to the new one, and be able to boot it, but I don't know how

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Message edited by pasido on 08-02-2010 at 04:59:26 AM

Reply to pasido

pasido wrote :

Quote :

here is a build for $745.92 before $40 rebates

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103808

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226154

psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341016

gpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125333

mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130290

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148433

case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811163168

odd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136180

this build can max out any game at that resoloution

Wow thanks for your build

So after rebate its $700, and with my 450W extra power supply and extra case, thats ~$590.

Ok I've never dealt with a new hard drive before, so should I buy the Windows 7 System Builder's software to install it into that hard drive?

I'd really love to copy the contents of my old hard drive to the new one, and be able to boot it, but I don't know how

dunno about transfering, although u could probobly buy a program for that of some sort. why're you goin for the system builder and not the full version? just to be safe of course

Reply to saranghaes2

The 460 is a pretty good card. But if you ever want to add a second card, you won't be able to. Since that mobo can do it, I think you should keep that option open. So get an HD 5770 or HD 5830. Or if you're cool with ebay a HD 4890 would also do it.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

if he needs sli he can get this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

also u should get windows 7 home 64bit oem in a combo with the mobo

and if u want to copy all your old files on your new one get a cloning software

Reply to mrhoshos96

AMD Athlon II x3 RANA 440 - $77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] rana%20440

MSI 750 + Windows 7- $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] 13-130-235

G Skill 4gb 1600mhz ECO RAM - $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

Gigabyte 460 - $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

DVD Drive - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 402X558040

Antec Case/XFX PSU 650W - $145 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.454719

Total: $765 ($745 after rebate
This includes Windows 7 which you will want and need.
I would try to squeeze a decent monitor into the budget simply because it is criminal to play at such low resolution.

Asus 21.5 inch 1920 x 1080 resolution monitor$180 ($160 after rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

New total: $925 pre rebate ($885 after rebate)

Just outside budget, but gives you a new build with windows 7 and a decent monitor as well. The only problem is you would be using the old HDD unless you have $55 for a Samsung Spinpoint F3.

The CPU is cheaper but a great performer, the GPU will manage at HD resolution especially if you OC it, the motherboard can run SLI if ever you wanted a second GTX460.

If you are not buying a new monitor a 5770 GPU will be a better buy for you as even that is overkill but is only $150. You can then get a different motherboard as you no longer need SLI

Reply to asteldian

great build asteldian but the x3 will be a huge bottle neck if u sli the gtx 460's

Message edited by mrhoshos96 on 08-02-2010 at 01:52:45 PM

Reply to mrhoshos96

Reply to mrhoshos96

Well the case I have I got from a guy who builds computer, so it's big enough.

I probably won't go for SLI, 2 graphics cards is just overkill, since I'm just running Starcraft 2 and I don't plan on getting any other hardcore games like Crysis 2.

I've researched that StarCraft 2 only uses 2 cores so it all comes down to the GHZ's
http://www.techspot.com/review/305 [...] age13.html

So I'm opting for this one for my budget:

AMD Phenom II 555 3.2GHZ - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

It'll perform as well as a quad core 3.2hz since SC2 only utilizes 2 cores.

So here is my build so far:

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226154

psu: Using my own 450W BFG

gpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814125333

mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813130290

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181
-> Not trusting the Seagate ones from customer reviews, and 1TB is overkill

case: Using my own case

odd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136180

100.99 + 229.99 + 69.99 + 54.99 + 17.99 = $473.95

Message edited by pasido on 08-02-2010 at 02:43:23 PM

Reply to pasido

never ever get a dual core these days the upcoming games will all utilize 4 cores and it's only $60 more

Reply to mrhoshos96

Well the only game I'm planning to get after SC2 is Diablo 3, and I doubt Blizzard will utilize a quad core for that

I'm also planning on getting Windows 7 64bit For System Builders, for $90 combo, so it is $560 total

Message edited by pasido on 08-02-2010 at 03:00:07 PM

Reply to pasido

Hello pasido;
The GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI isn't listed on the Gigabyte website yet but the recommended power requirements for the GTX 460/768 listed on the website says "*Minimum 550W or greater system power supply with two 6-pin external power connectors"

Phenom II x2 555 3.2GHZ or Phenom II x4 955 3.2GHZ? You aren't buying your parts for this years (or last years) games. Look ahead at what else coming out soon & into the future and the x4 makes a lot more sense.

Reply to WR2

There's no point building a computer which will work great with Starcraft 2 but then finding out that some new game you want to play doesn't work very well at all with dual cores. You'll only end up kicking yourself for doing that.

Do not use that old PSU! Whilst it may be okay in your current computer, it's 5 years old and in power supplies, capacitors wear out over time, meaning that it will no longer be able to produce the 450W which it says it should. Anyhow, the MINIMUM for a GTX 460 is a 450W PSU, so you want to add a little on there for safety. I'd get a 650W or higher if I were you.

Also, when operating systems are installed they are essentially paired with the system they are installed on. Moving your hard drive to a new computer (or copying everything on it to a new hard drive IN a new computer) will not allow you to boot from Windows XP. What I suggest you do is firstly build your new PC and install Windows 7, then put your old hard drive in alongside your new one and copy all the files you need from there onto your new drive. You can then use the old drive as a backup, as extra storage, or you can remove it and use it elsewhere (or get rid of it )

My recommendations:

CPU: Phenom II X4 955 - $159.99
Very fast quad core processor.

Motherboard & OS: ASUS M4A87TD & Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - $189.98
Good board which supports SLI for the future.

RAM: Mushkin Enhance Sliverline - $97.99
Decent speed, 4GB is enough for now.

Graphics Card: Zotac GTX 460 1GB & Free Just Cause 2 - $229.99
Very good card, is enough for now especially considering you're only playing at a reasonably low resolution. Just Cause 2 is great fun too :bounce:

Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - $74.99
Fast, spacious drive.

Optical Drive: Lite-On 24x DVD RW - $18.99
Cheap, does the job. Don't need to spend more money on this.

Power Supply: Corsair 650TX - $89.99
Enough power and connections for your system, won't have to worry about anything with this. Corsair is one of the most reliable companies for PSUs.

Total: $861.92 before rebates

EDIT: I hadn't seen that page on the Gigabyte card. On the Palit site and the Nvidia site it says you need a 450W PSU.

Message edited by dangerman200k on 08-02-2010 at 03:05:44 PM

Reply to dangerman200k

3 Core is the sweet spot, that is why the RANA 440 is so popular. It is 3ghz and has the 3 cores. The reason quad core is much better than dual core is simply because of the addition of a third core rather than the 4th. It is why AMD were smart to release tri core processors.

I went with the RANA because the money saved could go towards a bigger screen. I would not get a dual core under any circumstance now, especially when the RANA x3 is fast and cheap. Remember, while Star Craft uses two cores, you also have any and everything else the computer runs sharing those cores at the same time. By going with a tri core processor, you free up the load on the cores so that they arededicated pretty much purely on Starcraft 2 while Windows, Skype and other programmes make use of the extra core

If you are not going to get a new monitor now or in the near future then don't bother with the GTX460, at your resolution you can save $70 be going with the 5770 and even then will have more GPU power than you need.

Reply to asteldian

Reply to mrhoshos96

If you want to compare your rig to those already playing SC2 on ultra check out this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/vi [...] c_id=97450

Also, you will proabbly have difficulty swapping the hard drive to a new motherboard. Make sure you have a backup. Use your xp home edition installation cd to do a repair install when booting up for the first time. Make sure you also have your product key (they are several free download programs that will find your key encrypted on your registry as well as a way to create your own xp installation disc in the event you lost yours).

Reply to sf_torquatus

@asteldian

Thank god there's someone else here who doesn't want to spend lots of money for no reason.

Reply to False_Dmitry_II

Ok after seeing many suggestions to go for quad core I decided that a 3 core would be adequate for my needs. Like I said I don't plan on getting any other games other than the ones blizzard releases. I have been playing Warcraft 3 for years over any other games, other than StarCraft 2.

MOBO + OS $159.98 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] 63938&SID=
-> For AMD3 and Windows 7

HDD $54.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
-> 500GB is good enough

CPU $84.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
->2 3.1GHZ Cores for SC2
1 3.1GHZ Core for other stuff

RAM $89.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

PSU - My own 450W and its only 1 years old

GPU $149.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product
-> I realized that gtx460 is waay overkill for my resolution

ODD $17.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 63938&SID=
-> for drivers and SC2 install

= $557.93 before $15 REBATE

Message edited by pasido on 08-02-2010 at 07:26:45 PM

Reply to pasido

You're going to need a bigger PSU than 450W to power that graphics cards.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ards-guide

Even though it's mid-range, their site also recommends a 450W PSU. Using that, 45oW/12V = 37.5A. Does your PSU get that much amperage on one rail? I think you need to go bigger.

Reply to sf_torquatus

Best answer

save some money and get these for $546.93 before $20 rebates

os+mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] 13-130-290

cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103843

ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226154

odd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827135202

gpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814161338

hdd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181

Reply to mrhoshos96

no he only needs 450 Watt or greater power supply with one 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors

Reply to mrhoshos96

Well that ODD comes with a $7 shipping O.o

The processor and gpu ill consider

I don't trust those Mushkin RAMs, no customer reviews

Message edited by pasido on 08-02-2010 at 07:44:27 PM

Reply to pasido

mushkin is a recommended brand it's very high quality and comes with lifetime warranty.

Reply to mrhoshos96

Also is 3.0ghz -> 3.1ghz a big difference?

Reply to pasido

no you will notice nothing

Reply to mrhoshos96

Well modifying my previous build I have this:

MOBO + OS $159.98 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] 13-130-290

HDD 160GB $38.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136075
(I usually only use 80GB max)

CPU $76.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103843

RAM $89.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

PSU - My own 450W and its only 1 years old

GPU $139.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814161338

ODD $17.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 63938&SID=

=$523.93 Before $30 rebate

Sounds good

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