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Anonymous
August 21, 2004 6:53:15 PM

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I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
(a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
(b) my custom keyboard settings
(c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move, I
get into a game and can't move.
I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens but this
is ANNOYING.
Atari/Epic Games are you listening?
And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we have to
manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard drive? What
happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?
How hard is it to create an executable patch that does not overwrite my user
info/keyboard settings, etc?
</end rant>


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Scotter
August 21, 2004 8:06:42 PM

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:53:15 GMT, "Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote:

>I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
>(a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
>(b) my custom keyboard settings

I didn't lose any settings.

>(c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move, I
>get into a game and can't move.

Using the arrow keys is very limiting for a player, games have moved
on since Doom.

>I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens but this
>is ANNOYING.
>Atari/Epic Games are you listening?

No, this is a newsgroup, not Epic support.

>And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we have to
>manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard drive? What
>happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?
>How hard is it to create an executable patch that does not overwrite my user
>info/keyboard settings, etc?

All the UT2004 patches I have are executables.
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Anonymous
August 21, 2004 8:06:43 PM

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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message
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snip

> >(c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to
move, I
> >get into a game and can't move.
>
> Using the arrow keys is very limiting for a player, games have moved
> on since Doom.

I doubt he's refering to using arrow keys to replace the mouse. Like me he
probably prefers to use them for movment (fwd, back, strafe) as opposed to
the crowded keys on the left of the keyboard.
B
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August 21, 2004 9:02:48 PM

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Scotter enlightened us with:
> I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
> (a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
> (b) my custom keyboard settings

Sounds like your User.ini was overwritten. Always make a backup before
a patch.

> (c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to
> move, I get into a game and can't move.

Sounds like it's read-only.

> I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens
> but this is ANNOYING.

I can imagine.

> Atari/Epic Games are you listening?

Nope.

> And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we
> have to manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard
> drive?

What's wrong with just dragging stuff from one location to the other?

> What happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?

It's probably because an executable patch is for a single OS only, and
the game is not. Of course, they could have offered multiple
downloads. Better to ask Epic themselves, though.

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August 21, 2004 10:14:09 PM

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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost> wrote in message
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> All the UT2004 patches I have are executables.

Me too. Just a guess, but I'm thinking he's got some warez patch. They're
understandably concerned about distributing raw executables. But this is
hardly Epic's fault.
August 21, 2004 11:05:43 PM

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:42:13 -0400, "Battleax"
<unavailable@thistime.net> wrote:

>I doubt he's refering to using arrow keys to replace the mouse. Like me he
>probably prefers to use them for movment (fwd, back, strafe) as opposed to
>the crowded keys on the left of the keyboard.

I know that, but with the complexity of modern games life gets a lot
easier when you don't limit yourself to the cursor keys and the
contortions you have to do to get to the surrounding keys.
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Anonymous
August 22, 2004 2:14:49 AM

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only the first ut2k4 patch (3225 i think) replaced ini files..

3236 and 3270 dont replace them as at...





"Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
> (a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
> (b) my custom keyboard settings
> (c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move,
> I
> get into a game and can't move.
> I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens but this
> is ANNOYING.
> Atari/Epic Games are you listening?
> And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we have to
> manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard drive? What
> happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?
> How hard is it to create an executable patch that does not overwrite my
> user
> info/keyboard settings, etc?
> </end rant>
>
>
> --
> Scotter
>
>
Anonymous
August 22, 2004 6:53:47 PM

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The patch I used was found by going:
http://www.unrealtournament.com/index.php
and scrolling down and on the right column under UT2004 I saw v3270 patch
and clicked it.
It brought up a new, smaller window with a bunch of mirror sites.
I clicked the one for Atari that says "UT2004 - Windows Patch 3270"
This brought up a download window with yes an EXE
but that EXE expands into a folder with files in it you have to drag.
So it IS the official patch. I DO own the game.
Someone went off on why I would use cursor keys to move. What does that have
to do with this topic?
And yes, I wrote Atair and Epic and received no response, which is why I'm
posting on here.
The main REASON I'm posting on here is hoping someone else had my same
problem and has some clues for me.
Thanks for all your responses.
I'm going to just reinstall the game from scratch and try again...
Anonymous
August 22, 2004 6:57:01 PM

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The reason I didn't keep my old User.INI file was because if they are giving
you a patch with supposedly only changed files that need you to overwrite,
then I would assume they gave me a new INI file because they *structure* of
user.ini changed so I *must* overwrite it. So enlighten me if I'm not seeing
a third possibility. I see the two following:
(a) They just threw that INI file in there for the hell of it, to annoy us
or because they weren't thinking.
(b) They put that new user.ini file in there because the structure changed.
I gave Atari/Epic the benefit of the doubt and assumed (b).
If I had my old INI file ( yep I should maybe have backed it up ) I would
compare them now and see if the structure is different.



"Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
> (a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
> (b) my custom keyboard settings
> (c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move,
I
> get into a game and can't move.
> I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens but this
> is ANNOYING.
> Atari/Epic Games are you listening?
> And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we have to
> manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard drive? What
> happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?
> How hard is it to create an executable patch that does not overwrite my
user
> info/keyboard settings, etc?
> </end rant>
>
>
> --
> Scotter
>
>
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 2:17:47 AM

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Andrew <spamtrap@localhost> writes:
>>(c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move, I
>>get into a game and can't move.
>
>Using the arrow keys is very limiting for a player, games have moved
>on since Doom.

Actually, the arrow keys are a pretty good choice for forward/back
left/right movement. At least they are if you use your mouse on the left
like I do. Back in the doom days this was considered an 'odd' setup, but
it's becoming much more common that the arrow keys are movement by default.

>All the UT2004 patches I have are executables.

Me too, and I've never lost settings when installing one. Sounds like
another weird computer thing again. *
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Anonymous
August 24, 2004 2:26:23 AM

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"Scotter" <spam@spam.com> writes:
>I clicked the one for Atari that says "UT2004 - Windows Patch 3270"
>This brought up a download window with yes an EXE
>but that EXE expands into a folder with files in it you have to drag.

Wha? Are you overriding the extension or something weird? The patch is an
installer - you shouldn't have to expand it. In winXP you *can* hand-expand
it (zip support is built in), but you shouldn't - let the installer do the
work. Chances are, there's something in the install script that cares for
your user.ini file for you, and by dragging in stuff it's not getting done.
I seem to remember from poking around that all the user-modifyable stuff
(settings, single player saves, etc.) is kept in one file you can grab out
before reinstalling.

There's a fair chance your installation is fubared. Uninstall, go back to
the originals, and reinstall the patches in order (or just the last one if
they're cumulative) the right way. It's unwise to fool around behind an
installer's back like you've done - you never know if something is DELETED
that is overridden in a package elsewhere. It might be safe to keep your
saves, but I would let UT build a new ini file for you, and do the
keymapping one last time. In other games (q3 for example) there are
version-specific variables that get set and unset at update time, and if
you've got a mix of old ones and new ones in there, Bad Things Could
Happen.

>Someone went off on why I would use cursor keys to move. What does that have
>to do with this topic?

For as long as I can remember, in all FPS games, key assignment is a holy
war issue. *
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Anonymous
August 24, 2004 3:20:01 AM

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update and apology to Atari/Epic:
This problem was my fault.
It was some other update that was a folder full of subfolders.
Somehow AFTER installing the latest EXE, I had started copying those folders
over and they knocked SOME files back to older versions, including my
user.ini.
So the problem was not the fault of Atair/Epic's patch system, which yes, I
see (after full reinstall and reapplication of patch) runs a patching
program.


"Scotter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:vlJVc.8060$Jn5.6031@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> I installed the latest UT2004 patch and lost:
> (a) my user info - assuming because of replace of some ini file
> (b) my custom keyboard settings
> (c) even after reputting these settings in, like using arrow keys to move,
I
> get into a game and can't move.
> I suppose I'll reinstall UT2004 from scratch and see what happens but this
> is ANNOYING.
> Atari/Epic Games are you listening?
> And hey isn't it kinda 1990's for you to give us these patches we have to
> manually copy files from a folder to folders on our hard drive? What
> happened to an executable patch? Is it because of fear of viri?
> How hard is it to create an executable patch that does not overwrite my
user
> info/keyboard settings, etc?
> </end rant>
>
>
> --
> Scotter
>
>
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