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[New Build] Need Advice on Final Gaming Rig

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August 2, 2010 1:17:53 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ASAP
BUDGET RANGE: $2000-$4500 (Don't want to spend the max if its overkill and not going to make a difference)
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, running multiple clients and/or games at once.
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Mouse, Display (will be using a Casio LED 1080p projector)
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com (open to suggestions)
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA
PARTS PREFERENCES: NONE
OVERCLOCKING: Yes
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 Casio LED projector
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I need to be able to multitask a tremendous amount. When playing an MMO, I often tab and run other games or multiple mmo's while waiting for raid etc. I'm tired of using multiple computers to run 5 or 6 programs without delay.


MY FINAL BUILD

Optical Drive: LG 22X DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH22NS40 - OEM (Didn’t see the point in a BR drive for a strict gaming setup)

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case (A little large but plenty of room to work in)

Video Cards 1: ZOTAC AMP! ZT-40102-10P GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (Seemed best 480 option since New Egg ran out of the Gigabyte version that was on sale)

Video Card 2: ZOTAC AMP! ZT-40102-10P GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (Seemed best 480 option since New Egg ran out of the Gigabyte version that was on sale)

Power Supply: SILVERSTONE ST1500 1500W ATX 12V 2.3 & EPS 12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Active PFC Power Supply (Is this overkill for the system, seems pricey for a PSU)

Memory: G.SKILL PI+ Turbulence 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6T2-12GBPIS (Went with this for the low latency and timings)

Motherboard: ASUS Rampage III Extreme LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (007 recommended this over UD9)

CPU: Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7980X (I understand this is overkill, it is the best option for multi-clienting in Warhammer, 6 cores is 1 per client since I play 6 at a time)

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM (Didn’t see the point in paying for the full version)

CPU Cooler: PROLIMATECH Armageddon for Intel LGA 1156, LGA1366, LGA775, 6 Dual Heatpipe, Twin Tower Type Quiet CPU Cooler (this was a recommended product)

CPU Cooler Fans: COOLER MASTER R4-S4S-10AK-GP 140mm Case Fan x 2

SSD: Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC256MAG-1G1 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (New Egg sold out of the 128gb version)
August 2, 2010 2:10:32 PM

^ Well it looks like you are going full guns with this build...

As for the parts, they are all good, but am sure even you would know that we would say that the i7 980X is an overkill...But then again you have a reason for it though...

As for the graphics card, rather get the GTX 470 - Comparitively better in terms of Power/ performance and also for 1080p, GTX 470 SLI is more than adequate...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Also you have an option to go Tri-SLI...

PSU - No doubt the that Silverstone 1500W...but IMO even this would do...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - Maybe this ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Fans
http://www.xoxide.com/yate-loon-140mm-d14sm-12.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...
August 2, 2010 2:15:40 PM

lol u dont need that psu get a 850w or more if u want but with that ur ok..... and i would change nvidia cards for ati they are better... check the 5970, ram corsair dominator gt (the best ram abiable) and ssd u can try with ocz or kingston
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August 2, 2010 3:07:15 PM

Juanchioo said:
lol u dont need that psu get a 850w or more if u want but with that ur ok..... and i would change nvidia cards for ati they are better... check the 5970, ram corsair dominator gt (the best ram abiable) and ssd u can try with ocz or kingston


mmm
yeah 850w could maybe handle dual 480 but with an OC that's pushing it

ok first of all: NOOOO

ATI is not "better" than nvidia. And on x58 going with a 5970 is just lame. You could get 4-way 460 for 1000 and dual 5970(as this is quad fire dual is the maximum) for 1400. So both setups have no upgrade path, 460 setup performs better or on par with the 5970 setup, The 460 setup supports 3D, CUDA qnd physX and lastly dual 5970 is hotter and louder.

Stick with Nvidia for the amazing scaling.
August 2, 2010 3:09:14 PM

Ohh and the c300 is one of if not the fastest SSD on the market. Kingston SSDs are much slower and even the OCZ drives are slower so again NOOOO.

And yes dominator GTs are fast but very expensive for virtually no real world difference.
August 2, 2010 3:19:24 PM

The build looks good for your intended purpose and budget.. However, i'd recommend the Corsair AX 1200 for the PSU.. May as well add a sound card to the setup.. A single hard drive might not suffice for long.. Better get two another high capacity hard drive (something like the WD black 2TB).. For multi GPU setup, i too would recommend taking the SLI route with two GTX 470's..
August 2, 2010 5:25:13 PM

Why not two GTX 480's?
August 2, 2010 5:30:51 PM

good question. It's not as good a buy as a 460 or 470 but providing t-it has the best upgrade path on the market it's not bad. Another option is a mars II(the true incarnation of coolness) if it comes out soon and if the cost isn't as ridiculous as the ares that is. Then if you add another you won't be bottlenecked by the 32 lanes of your mobo.
August 2, 2010 5:35:47 PM

Should I go back to the UD9 for 64 lanes? I honestly haven't a clue what the difference is. I haven't built a system in 6 years.
August 2, 2010 5:46:02 PM

well the pci bandwith is measured in lanes. every GPU can use 16 lanes, but with 8 it's slightly slower. Every mobo x58 mobo has 32 lanes exept the ud9 which has 64 so it can fully support 4 GPUs whereas all others can fully support 2 and support at a slightly slower speed.

If the Mars II comes out soon and costs 1200 or less I'd get one of those on an RIIIE and add another later
August 2, 2010 5:53:28 PM

Also the reason I went with GSkill PI over Corsair dominator is the timing and latency, the GSKILL is 6-8-6-20 & 6 latency for a DDR3 1600, the dominator-gt is 9-9-9-24 & 9 latency for DDR3 1866.

Which is better?
August 2, 2010 5:55:11 PM

Somebody_007 said:
well the pci bandwith is measured in lanes. every GPU can use 16 lanes, but with 8 it's slightly slower. Every mobo x58 mobo has 32 lanes exept the ud9 which has 64 so it can fully support 4 GPUs whereas all others can fully support 2 and support at a slightly slower speed.

If the Mars II comes out soon and costs 1200 or less I'd get one of those on an RIIIE and add another later



Will not getting a UD9 gimp me in the future?
August 2, 2010 5:57:41 PM

As I said the only difference between the ud9 and other boards is bassically the pci bandwith for the rest it's just as future proof as any other board so no not really unless a new GPU comes out and you absolutely want 4 of those at their maximum speed.
August 2, 2010 6:01:21 PM

yes but there's a catch look at the shipping
August 2, 2010 6:07:29 PM

The scaling degrades with increased number of GPU's thereby hampering price to performance ratio.. Two cards is the maximum one should invest (or need) for his/her gaming needs IMO.. And since SLI scales better (currently) in a dual card setup, it gets the recommendation.. The GTX 470 gets recommended ahead of the GTX 480 due to its better power to performance ratio.. Moreover, the performance differences are not that extreme..
August 2, 2010 6:07:57 PM

ok so stick with Rampage III? or switch to a UD5 or UD7?
August 2, 2010 6:21:59 PM

Also since those 470's are sold out, should I downgrade to 2 x 460's? Will that be much difference compared to the 480's?

I'm not sure I'd ever want 4 or 3-way SLI, seems like overkill even for someone like me.

August 2, 2010 6:28:27 PM

Two 460's would perform similarly or sometimes a little better than a single 480..
August 2, 2010 7:11:07 PM

Also, would it be possible for a single 480 gtx to be sufficient for the multi client gaming I'm doing?

Perhaps I should buy one and try it then add another if the frame rates are bad?
August 2, 2010 7:13:05 PM

yeah I'd say the i7 is better

Yup I would do that too.
August 2, 2010 7:19:02 PM

MSI N480GTX-M2D15-B GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

has a combo option with the i7 980x with the combo it'll save $90 over the Zotac AMP 480 gtx. The Zotac has higher clock speed etc. does that matter much?
August 2, 2010 7:20:55 PM

You can OC yourself to match the zotac so I wouldn't look at the pre OC too much
August 2, 2010 7:37:06 PM

Ok so I understand this correctly.

If I run 6 copies of a game at once, a Hexa Core like the i7 980x would allow a dedicated core to each correct? Which would improve the performance over a Quad Core i.e. i7 930 which would share cores amongst the programs?
August 2, 2010 7:43:48 PM

Also would you give up the better timed ram 6 x 2gb and go for 3 x 4gb? Will having the option to upgrade to 24gb of ram really mean much in the way of performance?
August 2, 2010 8:04:28 PM

I would leave an upgrade option.

But wait a minute. An sr-2 just occurred to me. Dual xeon(930 equivilants) which gives you enough ram slots(12) for upgrades, 4-way capability, 8 cores 1-2 for each client and all that at a very reasonable price.

August 2, 2010 8:06:04 PM

so 2 CPUs and MB's?
August 2, 2010 8:10:05 PM

Nono, The sr-2 is an evga mobo that has 2 sockets for xeons. Virtually 2 PCs on one board.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=270-WS-W55... Family&sw=5

The total would be around 1500-1600 for mobo/cpu as opposed to the 1300-1400 for the IMO worse and less upgradeable 980/ RIIIE.

The catch however is it fits in only a few cases like thhe lian li pc-p80
August 3, 2010 6:57:45 AM

Yup it's actually surprisingly good.
August 3, 2010 11:56:43 AM

Is this a cash saving thought.!?.. Getting an i7 980X and keeping the stock cooling option is sort of a joke.. A budget aftermarket cooler (such as the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+) will easily outclass the stock cooling.. Moreover, for your usage scenario, you'd definitely be needing to pull up some healthy overclocks on the CPU which, IMHO, should not be left at the mercy of the stock solution..
August 3, 2010 12:33:40 PM

Ok for 480 gtx which one is best? I was looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E... and http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduct.aspx?Item=N82E...


Also Newegg is offering the combo again UD9 and 980x so its almost the same price to buy the UD9 as the Rampage III Extreme. So I'm going with the UD9. With the ability to 4-way SLI should I back down to 460's or keep a single 480/dual 480's?

Perhaps I should keep a single 480 and keep adding them over time to upgrade the system.

I would think a top notch system like this would be somewhat futureproof, if I ended up with 4 x 480 gtx's and 24GB of memory over the next 2 years lets say? Wouldn't a system like that allow one to continue to game effectively for many years?
August 3, 2010 1:10:34 PM

Do you realize the amount of power you'd require to run 4 GTX 480's.! Anything above two GPU's is a significant wastage of money IMO.. Besides, a couple of GTX 480's will give you enough power to keep gaming happily for atleast another 4years.. My recommendation would be to just get a single GTX 480 for now and see how it works out.. Add another anytime you feel the need for more graphic horsepower..
August 3, 2010 2:00:12 PM

so would the UD9 be overkill if I end up going 2 480gtx's for Video and 1 460gtx for Physx Card eventually of course?
August 3, 2010 2:10:03 PM

Emperus said:
Is this a cash saving thought.!?.. Getting an i7 980X and keeping the stock cooling option is sort of a joke.. A budget aftermarket cooler (such as the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+) will easily outclass the stock cooling.. Moreover, for your usage scenario, you'd definitely be needing to pull up some healthy overclocks on the CPU which, IMHO, should not be left at the mercy of the stock solution..


This has got nothing to do with cash saving. The prolimatech has trouble beating the 980 cooler and the 212+ is nowhere near the performance of the stock cooler. I don't know where you got that info. It's simply unless you are going heavy duty watercooling why void the warrenty for a few more degrees on the cpu? Besides the stock cooler does a much better job at cooling the mobo because of the fan shape.

August 3, 2010 2:14:09 PM

Emperus said:
Do you realize the amount of power you'd require to run 4 GTX 480's.! Anything above two GPU's is a significant wastage of money IMO.. Besides, a couple of GTX 480's will give you enough power to keep gaming happily for atleast another 4years.. My recommendation would be to just get a single GTX 480 for now and see how it works out.. Add another anytime you feel the need for more graphic horsepower..


When running 6 instances of a heavy game your looking at a serious GPU solution. I have no trouble seeing dual 480s struggling to handle one of next years games 6 times.

But as said Get 1-2 and keep on adding. The ud9 is always overkill unless you get 3+ GPUs. But for the price of a RIIIE or 50-100dollars more It's a no-brainer. Also it's a very efficient mobo saving you some money on your bills.

I wouldn't get a dedicated physx however. I'd just get 1-2 480s and add 1-2 more if they struggle until you have 4.
August 3, 2010 6:02:55 PM

If you're planning for future proof and planning to get quad gtx480 in the future, then by all means get the ud9 board to eliminate getting any sort of bottleneck with pci-e lanes.

and with that kind of system... honestly i'll go liquid cooling, fact is those intel cpu rarely goes bad, unless u do an outrageous OC push on it or unless you do an unstable OC on it and run with it, otherwise those lasts a good while. While the Haf-x case does a decent job in supporting LCS, I suggest you to go for it (even if you dont intend to overclock now, in years to come when you see the need, you will be able to do so with the help of LCS).

With the setup you're getting, you're going to need a 1200w for good overclocks, so dont go budget out on them.

August 3, 2010 8:14:10 PM

what did u order?
August 3, 2010 8:14:18 PM

I want to thank all of you for your help and advice.
August 3, 2010 8:28:55 PM

Just curious as to why people run with a single big ssd and not 2 small/midsize ssd sata2 in raid0, I would think something like a dual 120gb or even 80gb in raid0 sata2 will out perform a single 256gb sata3 in terms of booting and transfer rate.
August 3, 2010 9:06:25 PM

teddyjai0614 said:
Just curious as to why people run with a single big ssd and not 2 small/midsize ssd sata2 in raid0, I would think something like a dual 120gb or even 80gb in raid0 sata2 will out perform a single 256gb sata3 in terms of booting and transfer rate.


actually a very good question. I'e asked myself that question many times. It seems most people find too much work. It wasn't easy surely when I set up my raid array but it is surely worth the effort when getting almost twice the performance for a similar price.
August 3, 2010 10:25:39 PM

I plan on ordering another 256gb SSD as soon as this one arrives and system is running. It has faster random read and write than the 128's
August 3, 2010 10:29:34 PM

ohhh but remember you'll have to plug em into the sata2 connectors if you're gonna raid them in the future, cause the sata3's doesnt support raid as of yet (theres no raid chip built into them)
August 4, 2010 7:32:48 AM

teddyjai0614 said:
ohhh but remember you'll have to plug em into the sata2 connectors if you're gonna raid them in the future, cause the sata3's doesnt support raid as of yet (theres no raid chip built into them)


I run raid of my sataIII chip ^^
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