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October 11, 2010 1:53:44 PM

I just purchased a GTX 460 768MB and was wondering whether my C2D E7500@2.93GHz is bottlenecking the card.My motherboard is a Socket 775 (Motherboard Model: MS-7525) board by MSI. I would overclock it but the BIOS has absolutely no tweaking options at all.

My MB specs are here
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en...

The specs say it can only support E4xxx and 7xxx CPUs, but since a Core 2 Quad is also based on Socket 775 architecture would,for example, a Q6600 or Q8300 work with my current motherboard? Also, will there be a significant performance increase for Dawn Of War II, Starcraft II, Dragon Age, Crysis etc?


Please click on the link for the specs. Appreciate the help.
October 11, 2010 2:19:35 PM

If you socket is s775 that didint mean that you can use core2quad
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October 11, 2010 3:16:08 PM

Ndx said:
If you socket is s775 that didint mean that you can use core2quad


No.

Just because the C2Q will physically fit in the socket, it's down to the BIOS on the motherboard to recognise the CPU and work with it. If the BIOS doesn't recognise it, you're out of luck. There's also thermal design issues to consider as well.

Same can be said for the early 775 boards when the Pentium 4 moved to that socket - just because you can fit a C2Q in a first generation socket 775 mobo don't expect the C2Q to work.
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October 13, 2010 1:32:23 AM

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It is an OEM mobo therefore its functionalities are severely crippled and locked by bios.Since according to there website quad core cpus are not listed,which means it is not supported.So you are out of luck mate.

oh...so what's the best upgrade i can get?
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October 13, 2010 1:49:08 PM

The site you linked to has a "Processor upgrade information" section that can be expanded. It states the following:

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Socket type: 775
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
Core 2 Duo E7xxx (Wolfdale-M)
Core 2 Duo E4x00 (Conroe)
Pentium E2xxx series (Conroe)
Celeron Dual Core E1xx0 series (Conroe)
Celeron 4xx series (Conroe)


I think the fastest E7xxx CPU is the E7600 which runs at 3.06Gz. That is a very minor upgrade from your E7500 and will cost you $150 to do so. It is not worth it.

E7600 from Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 13, 2010 1:52:35 PM

jaguarskx said:
The site you linked to has a "Processor upgrade information" section that can be expanded. It states the following:

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Socket type: 775
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:
Core 2 Duo E7xxx (Wolfdale-M)
Core 2 Duo E4x00 (Conroe)
Pentium E2xxx series (Conroe)
Celeron Dual Core E1xx0 series (Conroe)
Celeron 4xx series (Conroe)


I think the fastest E7xxx CPU is the E7600 which runs at 3.06Gz. That is a very minor upgrade from your E7500 and will cost you $150 to do so. It is not worth it.

E7600 from Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I really don't think that's worth the money.
Will my current system (3GB DDR2-800, GTX 460, MB with no OC settings, USB2.0, PCI-e 1.0) last long, or should I build a new one?
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October 13, 2010 1:53:00 PM

I've had this system for about a year now, but only recently upgraded from an ATI 4350 to the GTX 460
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October 13, 2010 2:30:49 PM

Well, I needed a new graphics card... anyways please post some suggestions on a budget gaming system ($400-500) that retains my GTX 460.
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October 13, 2010 10:59:09 PM

Intel is way too overpriced... you can get a 1090T for just $200
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October 13, 2010 11:07:17 PM

Will the new AMD CPUs be Socket AM3?
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October 21, 2010 10:52:09 AM

I'm way more excited about SandyBridge than Bulldozer. Intel is calling it the greatest jump in CPU technology in the history of mankind, so it should be pretty amazing... I'd hate to see the day when integrated graphics eliminates the need for graphics cards though... although I'm sure that day will never come because as integrated graphics get better and better, so do dedicated graphics.
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October 21, 2010 10:52:24 AM

I'm way more excited about SandyBridge than Bulldozer. Intel is calling it the greatest jump in CPU technology in the history of mankind, so it should be pretty amazing... I'd hate to see the day when integrated graphics eliminates the need for graphics cards though... although I'm sure that day will never come because as integrated graphics get better and better, so do dedicated graphics.
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October 21, 2010 11:36:50 AM

I hope the new Intel CPUs aren't as overpriced.
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October 21, 2010 2:04:15 PM

AMD's CPUs are never overpriced though... but I was wondering whether it's because AMD processors aren't as fast as their Intel counterparts? An AMD hexa-core costs around the same as a Core i5-750, so which processor is better?
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October 21, 2010 2:34:56 PM

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October 21, 2010 8:18:24 PM

First and foremost, are you experiencing any bottlenecks.? If not then just stick with your existing setup.. Or atleast stick with it till the SandyBridge line of CPU's launch.. Even if you wont be able to afford them, it might bring about a dip in the current existing prices from both the camps giving you more (and possibly better) options to choose from for your budget..
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October 21, 2010 10:07:47 PM

seriously, that CPU will run any game available today with good performance, so whats the problem? You would only see minor FPS increases at lower resolutions by upgrading to an e 8600
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October 21, 2010 10:42:24 PM

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AMD's CPUs are never overpriced though... but I was wondering whether it's because AMD processors aren't as fast as their Intel counterparts? An AMD hexa-core costs around the same as a Core i5-750, so which processor is better?



Maximum PC's latest issue did a compare of the 1090T and an i5-760 and they recommend the i5 for all applications UNLESS it's a program that can take advantage of all 6 cores simultaneously. And with the price being comparable, my opinion is any quad core that can take on a hexacore and win is the brains I want running my rig...
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October 22, 2010 2:38:32 AM

So what do you think? Is the E7500 a good gaming CPU? I really don't want to waste money on anything that will give me less than a 10FPS increase in games or a 15% increase in processing speed.
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October 22, 2010 2:51:13 AM

Spend the extra bucks and get an i5-750 or 760. You'll be happier in the end.
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October 22, 2010 3:16:52 AM

How much performance will I get? And my MB doesn't support so that's why I'm asking because I don't want to waste money
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October 22, 2010 3:20:55 AM

Cs342 said:
So what do you think? Is the E7500 a good gaming CPU? I really don't want to waste money on anything that will give me less than a 10FPS increase in games or a 15% increase in processing speed.


Its a good enough CPU to see you through to the launch and full scale availability of the SB CPU's.. And since the only performance enhancing option for you is to do a full platform sweep, i seriouslly recommend you to hold on to your cash for the time being..
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October 22, 2010 3:31:36 AM

Good advice! SandbyBridge vs. Bulldozer??
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October 22, 2010 3:40:37 AM

Why is everyone so gung ho over sandy bridge? We don't een know what kind of performance increase they possess, other than the theoretical mumbo Intel has given us. Has there been any real life benchmarking done yet? And what price point are they going to inflate them to?

So maybe I'm a little devils advocate on this, but that's half the fun :-)
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October 22, 2010 3:42:44 AM

And I'm guessing SB will kill Bulldozers core for core and MHz for MHz just like damn near every other Intel chip does. AMD only consistently wins at pricing.
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October 22, 2010 4:19:01 AM

I wonder why AMD puts so little cache on their processors.
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October 22, 2010 4:29:56 AM

Even if it is a mere 10% increase in performance, the SB line of CPU's are surely going to be faster than the current line of CPU's.. Now that much might not be enough of a deal to keep someone from buying a new system today but, the expected price drops are surely worth considering.. Moreover, its not that far now.. IMO, a couple of months wait is going to be worth it..
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October 22, 2010 7:50:57 AM

Oh
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October 23, 2010 10:43:08 AM

Emperus said:
Even if it is a mere 10% increase in performance, the SB line of CPU's are surely going to be faster than the current line of CPU's.. Now that much might not be enough of a deal to keep someone from buying a new system today but, the expected price drops are surely worth considering.. Moreover, its not that far now.. IMO, a couple of months wait is going to be worth it..


I need a bit of help with my system... My screensaver (a slideshow of pictures) comes on after 5 minutes when I'm idle. When I do a Norton Scan and leave the desk, the screensaver goes on after 5 minutes and makes the computer really slow when I exit the slideshow. Is there any way to disable screensavers when your CPU usage is high??
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October 23, 2010 10:55:23 AM

Don't use screensaver at all.. Configure the power options to turn off the monitor after the desired time.. This helps save power also..
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October 23, 2010 2:12:09 PM

But the screensaver doesn't lag my PC when Norton isn't scanning...
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October 23, 2010 3:22:50 PM

What antivirus do you recommend? I tried Nod32 but it never detected any tracking cookies even when Norton detected more than 20.
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October 23, 2010 4:29:42 PM

Which version of Norton are you using.? From ver. 2009 Norton products have become very much optimized and operate very low on system resources (am personally using NIS 2009).. Other than that, Microsoft security essentials is excellent..
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October 23, 2010 9:35:58 PM

scottiemedic said:
Why is everyone so gung ho over sandy bridge? We don't een know what kind of performance increase they possess, other than the theoretical mumbo Intel has given us. Has there been any real life benchmarking done yet? And what price point are they going to inflate them to?

So maybe I'm a little devils advocate on this, but that's half the fun :-)


You answered it yourself!

scottiemedic said:
And I'm guessing SB will kill Bulldozers core for core and MHz for MHz just like damn near every other Intel chip does. AMD only consistently wins at pricing.


I'm scared to see the prices of SB. :/ 

And TBH with intel again using their 2 socket setup and totally gimping (from what I've seen) the 1155's PCI lanes I'm not the slightest interested in SB.

I'm not spending $250-350+ for a board just so I can get more than 20 damn PCI lanes. No thank you intel, please try again.

Hello AMD! (once I can find GPUs strong enough to out-muscle my 4ghz Q9550, and not to mention games strong enough to tax those GPUs)
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October 23, 2010 11:50:40 PM

I honestly dont think you will gain much by upgrading the processor, you will not get the performance you think your going to get.
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October 24, 2010 12:41:49 PM

Emperus said:
Which version of Norton are you using.? From ver. 2009 Norton products have become very much optimized and operate very low on system resources (am personally using NIS 2009).. Other than that, Microsoft security essentials is excellent..


I'm using Internet Security 2010
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October 27, 2010 6:11:44 PM

I'm using MS Security Essentials and Ad Aware free edition, and the combo works great, and doesn't kill my boot time like Norton or McAfee. I don't have experience with Comodo though, might try out a coupe or three. Run one for a couple weeks, go to another. At the end of the month, use the one YOU like, not the one other people like... I'm just saying...
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October 28, 2010 10:00:41 AM

Is MS security essentials and ad aware free?
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October 28, 2010 2:56:16 PM

ok thanks very much!!!
would you by any chance know of any good sub $1000 gaming latops? i'm starting boarding school this january...
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October 29, 2010 11:01:07 PM

This is kind of why people always say build your own pc as opposed to buying one from a company. Little things like not being to upgrade your CPU can really be a total pain in the ass.

That being said the CPU you have will still be good for atleast a year but more than likely longer than that.
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October 30, 2010 8:08:47 AM

Any good ASUS notebooks? around $700-800 with at least a GTS 420M
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October 30, 2010 11:37:53 AM

Cs342 said:
would you by any chance know of any good sub $1000 gaming latops? i'm starting boarding school this january...


This query belongs to the 'Laptops and notebooks' section.. You'll probably receive better response there..
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October 30, 2010 11:40:54 AM

Ok sorry :(  thanks for all the help for this topic
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October 30, 2010 11:41:33 AM

Best answer selected by Cs342.
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