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June 30, 2010 4:53:37 PM

Hey all, this is my first time posting on the site. Although im a frequent reader of the forums when i need to know something, ive never taken it upon myself to sign up and post. Given that i just bought the new GTX 470 card i think it is time to share my thoughts and get some good advice. Turns out i started working this summer and was able to earn a good amount of money so far in a short amount of time. Mind you im 16 still. Well i decided to splurge yesterday after being at bestbuy the other day and seeing the 470. I picked up the last one their and decided to ignore some posts i read about how my E8400 C2D could potentially bottleneck my card and just went head over heels in. I decided if i might get a bottleneck i may as well OC my CPU. Its a very easy process for anyone intrested in doing so if you dont know already, i got to 3.6ghz in all of 15 minutes without any errors. I didnt really stress test my cpu to long because i was very anxious to pop in the 470. All goes over smooth and i get the card in without a hitch. First off all i can say is how much more vibrant the colors got on my screen and how much clearer it looked then my old 8800 GTS 640 card. Now i decide to play a bit of MW2 for a bit to see what the tempatures run at with auto fan on. After a round the GPU was around 85c, now in my opinion that's way to high for any gpu ever, but everyone insists that it is ok and yada yada yada... Well i decide to let my brother and his friend play a few rounds and i came back to check the temps and they maxed out at 101c while playing. Now i dont care what anyone says to me that is just not good. I've been playing around with the fan controls and i'd like to know if anyone has any advice on what i should run the fans at when playing games. Ive found so far that 80% tends to keep it in the 80-85c area. If anyone has any input on this please feel free to tell me. Thanks!


Core2Duo OC 3.6ghz
2 GB DDR2 RAM
Galaxy GTX 470
2 500 GB Seagate HDD's

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June 30, 2010 5:06:53 PM

I've got an NZXT case.(trying to think of the name). I have around 4 fans inside of the case and shouldnt have any trouble cooling down. The card cools down almost instantly after playing. It will be at 80c while playing but ill sit in lobby for 30 seconds and it will drop down to about 70c. Its kind of weird :o 
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June 30, 2010 5:14:24 PM

I think more intake. Im at work right now i can check when i get home. Im almost postive on it though.
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June 30, 2010 5:14:41 PM

Well.

The card is known for its higher than usual temperatures. I don't know what people usually get with the 470, though. Over 100C definitely seems high, though... I'd be afraid, personally! Wether or not this is normal, I'm not really sure. What card specifically did you buy?

What I can say for sure is that with a card known for high temps, it surely doesn't take a lot to get it over the top. Any defect on the cooler itself, or in the case's cooling, can be quite dangerous, I'm sure.
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June 30, 2010 5:18:54 PM

Damn thanks for the tip psycho! Do you have any other programs that i should look into?
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June 30, 2010 5:23:49 PM

boosterfire said:
Well.

The card is known for its higher than usual temperatures. I don't know what people usually get with the 470, though. Over 100C definitely seems high, though... I'd be afraid, personally! Wether or not this is normal, I'm not really sure. What card specifically did you buy?

What I can say for sure is that with a card known for high temps, it surely doesn't take a lot to get it over the top. Any defect on the cooler itself, or in the case's cooling, can be quite dangerous, I'm sure.




I bought the galaxy GTX 470
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June 30, 2010 5:24:00 PM

Just an interrogation I have: 470 coolers generally push the air outside of the case, right? I'm pretty sure the reference is designed that way, at least. I'm not sure about what's been put on the card, though. Anyway, with the reference cooler or something that comes close to it, case cooling shouldn't have that much of an impact on the card.

e: Right, the galaxy has a cooler which will push the air outside, so case cooling should be somewhat irrelevant to the temp of your 470. In the Guru3D review of the 470, the GPU reached 94C, with a fan speed of 55%.
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June 30, 2010 5:25:19 PM

Thanks i think ive already got the most upto date driver. I have windows 7 and im assuming that installed the latest driver when i installed it.
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June 30, 2010 5:27:57 PM

boosterfire said:
Just an interrogation I have: 470 coolers generally push the air outside of the case, right? I'm pretty sure the reference is designed that way, at least. I'm not sure about what's been put on the card, though. Anyway, with the reference cooler or something that comes close to it, case cooling shouldn't have that much of an impact on the card.




Well that makes sense to me because that it true, the card pushes the hot air out of the back of the case but the fans need to intake cool air too cool down the card.
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June 30, 2010 5:28:58 PM

Maybe you could describe your case. Provide what m/b your using. Is it a micro atx board/case, with a top psu ?
This usually puts one pci-e slot near the bottom of the case, and is worst case scenario for heat.
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June 30, 2010 5:31:17 PM

notty22 said:
Maybe you could describe your case. Provide what m/b your using. Is it a micro atx board/case, with a top psu ?
This usually puts one pci-e slot near the bottom of the case, and is worst case scenario for heat.



Gigabyte EP35 Mobo, PSU on top, PCI-e at bottom. Case has side fan on door, one in the back, one in the top, one in the bottom and one in front of the HDDS but its small and under them.
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June 30, 2010 5:47:06 PM

From a pic on the internet that board has 3 pci slots under the pci-e slot, so at least there is room under the card, for air to move. I don't think you will be overclocking any time soon though :) 
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June 30, 2010 6:08:17 PM

lol no i wont be. This card is more than enough power for what im going to be using it for.
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June 30, 2010 7:35:20 PM

boosterfire said:
Just an interrogation I have: 470 coolers generally push the air outside of the case, right? I'm pretty sure the reference is designed that way, at least. I'm not sure about what's been put on the card, though. Anyway, with the reference cooler or something that comes close to it, case cooling shouldn't have that much of an impact on the card.


Wrong. :non: 

Where do you think the cooler on the GPU gets it's "cool air"? INSIDE the case. So if you blow hot air through a hot card, how much cooling do you get? Where as, if your case is nice and "cool", you can blow cool air through a hot card. This is much more efficient.

So Psycho's question about airflow through the case is actually quite important. It needs a good measure of cool air intake so that the cooling fan on the GPU has cooler air to suck into the GPU. Otherwise you're just blowing heated air into a heated space.

I'm actually going to be installing a GTX 470 tomorrow afternoon/evening. So I'll be able to provide some temp readings here soon myself. Thinking about putting one of my GTX 260's in my wife's PC (she'll need a new PSU too) to replace her ATI X1950 PRO.

The other GTX 260 is on eBay. :) 
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June 30, 2010 7:40:43 PM

Very true, I think im going to work on some wire management when i get home and see if it helps any. I mean theyre already pretty neat and tidy but im sure i can make them better. Other than that i dont see why i wouldnt have good airflow. My computer is in the basement with air conditoning on.
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June 30, 2010 7:43:52 PM

Keep in mind the Fermi cards (GTX470/480) are indeed hot cards. So running in the 80C to 85C isn't beyond reasonable. :) 

Think my GTX 260 hit like 79C @ 100% load doing a single GPU Furmark test a couple days ago.
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June 30, 2010 8:00:45 PM

Hitting 100c means your cards not on Auto fan or you have SERIOUS case airflow issues. Card should never hit more then 90-92 degrees. In my 900 my card usually gets no higher then 80-90 degrees with the fan no higher then 65-70% at the very most. Sounds like a case airflow issue. If any of your fans are under 120mm, pretty much guaranteed to be a case with poor airflow.
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June 30, 2010 8:04:26 PM

PS: don't buy computer parts at Best buy, your almost 100% certain to be getting ripped off.
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June 30, 2010 8:34:06 PM

Petey what you just said makes no sense. Bestbuy doesnt make the card galaxy does. I know i havent been ripped off at all they did nothing to make the card run hot. Im going to go into my case and try and see if i cant help the airflow if that is the problem. By the way i have a NZXT Lexa case and dont care to go and buy another one at the moment. Im going to have to just wait and see tonight what happens with the card. Ill just keep using it and ill post what i come to find. I hope to keep it under 90c playing MW2 for extended amounts of time. Im going to put the fan at 80% while playing for a few hours and ill update tonight. lol im still at work :( 
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June 30, 2010 11:22:27 PM

Funny thing is is that i have a big ass fan sucking air in right next to it. Im idling at about 44c its so nice. I idle so perfect but it heats up so quick when playing a game.
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June 30, 2010 11:52:39 PM

Hmm, if you have a fan blowing air into your computer, unless it's really warm in your room, you shouldn't have this much heat. That proposes a problem regarding the card or cooler. Have you tried testing the card with Furmark? There's basically nothing that will get a card hotter than that, so it would be interesting to see how high it goes running that. Do keep your finger close to the kill switch should it come near the heat limit of the card.
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July 1, 2010 12:51:06 AM

What is your ambient temp and is it a stock or overclocked version of the GTX 470 and Please comment on its gaming performance as I have a an almost Identical system to you and I might be buying a fermi soon and I would like to know If it works out good!

I have an e8400 @ 3.0ghz, a Gigabyte ga- ep45-ud3p, 2gb ram, 1 500gb hdd, 1tb hdd, Sigma Shark 635w PSU. So I really want to know how it performing!!!
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July 1, 2010 6:01:16 AM

Go to Galaxy website and download Xtreme Tuner HD. Set the fan speed to 100% and then take note of load temperature. Online reviews of Galaxy Gtx 470 show it reaches 90-92C even with 100% fan at load though idling at 35-40C.
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July 1, 2010 2:39:02 PM

Update for anyone whos following, im sorry i didnt update last night i got on my comp and saw my psu fan was not spinning. Now im wondering if that could have contributed to the heat problem and maybe my psu is to weak to handle the card. Either way im buying an 750 ATX psu at 3 today. Ill install it tie off the cables and check my temps then. If it keeps running this hot i may have to send it back and get another. I cant imagine that my airflow is even close to this bad with the case that i have and nothing really is stopping the airflow. Ill check in but id also like to know if an underpowered psu can cause high temps on my gpu.
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July 1, 2010 2:45:25 PM

Corsair 750 Watt ATX. I think its nice and ive only heard good things.
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July 1, 2010 2:50:51 PM

Ray Charles said:
What is your ambient temp and is it a stock or overclocked version of the GTX 470 and Please comment on its gaming performance as I have a an almost Identical system to you and I might be buying a fermi soon and I would like to know If it works out good!

I have an e8400 @ 3.0ghz, a Gigabyte ga- ep45-ud3p, 2gb ram, 1 500gb hdd, 1tb hdd, Sigma Shark 635w PSU. So I really want to know how it performing!!!



Hey ray whats up? I would definetly overclock your cpu to 3.6 or higher like i did. I can give you instructions if you need help. Only because it gives the card more breathing room in demanding games. As for peformance? Holy *** is it a fast card. It is so much faster then my 8800GTS its kind of disgusting. Now all i have to do is get the damn thing to not melt my case and buy and install another PSU. I work all day then come home to a dead fan on my psu :ouch:  I just cant win.
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July 1, 2010 2:52:14 PM

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Corsair is top notch



So i've heard. Do you have any input in if my GPU could be so hot because of the PSU? Im just wondering if you have any clue.
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July 1, 2010 3:00:11 PM

I sure can, as soon as i get home i will. I cant say that is though for what ever reason i think its fine. I have a ton of fans and my wire management isnt bad at all. Even if my case is a little small for it 101c is not something that should happen. Ive never had a cooling problem before.
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July 1, 2010 3:02:45 PM

Lets put it this way, If i definetly need one after you see the pics and i keep toying with it and trying to fix it then please recommend a full sized tower that without a doubt wont have cooling problems. I invested 420 dollars in the card another 120 in the PSU now, im putting way to much into this. Ill put up for a case if it comes down to it but i sure as hell dont want to.
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July 1, 2010 3:06:34 PM

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What kind of fans do you run in it? That might be the issue right there. Having a lot of fans is great but if they're low CFM it doesn't make a difference.



im not sure of the exact size but the door fan is i think a 125mm and the one on the back of the case i think is 125mm.


Theirs a pic of my case but the lights are blue. Ill get a pic of everything in it when i get home.
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July 1, 2010 3:08:41 PM

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your psu is fan is not moving.if thats true change ur psu immedietly before it fry u pc.



Yeah i know man i turned it off immediantly and started disconnecting everything because i already knew i was going to need another one. The only things that shines a light of hope for me is that i have no clue when the fan stopped spinning so that could be causing excessive heat in the case causing the GPU to heat up way to quick.
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July 1, 2010 3:15:06 PM

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I really like the look of that case. Very clean.



Thank you i also love the case and want no parts of getting rid of it anytime soon. My setup inside of the case is also very clean looking imo. you'll make your own opinon when you see it and everything is installed.
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July 1, 2010 3:22:12 PM

lol for what i paid for this card we better figure out this heat issue! To be honest i shouldnt have to worry about any issues at all for what you pay for it. Im just gona keep on top of it and keep trying different things.
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July 1, 2010 3:27:59 PM

I know i saw your specs. For the love of god what do you do with your pc? Launch space shuttles? I think mine is a bit over the top but yours is just stupid.
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July 1, 2010 4:13:28 PM

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Nah just play Bad Company 2 and Look at porn :lol: 




lol same and mine does it pretty damn well, i cant imagine what yours does.
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July 1, 2010 6:37:28 PM

I am considering buying a EVGA GTX 470.

Does anyone know if the EVGA will run quite as hot?
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July 1, 2010 9:38:28 PM

Reference the Galaxy GTX 470 being so hot:

I just installed an MSI GTX 470 this afternoon. It has a GTX 260 Core 216 below it (one full slot between them) acting as PhysX. I just got done throwing a bunch of non-PhysX benchmarks at it.

Important Info:
Thermaltake Armor BWS (Full Tower - Side Fan Removed so side of case has large air opening)
1 x 120MM Exhaust Fan, 2 x 120MM Intake Fans, 1 x 92mm Top Exhaust Fan
Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Cooler on CPU (120MM Fan)
Antec TPQ-850 PSU

With the GTX 260 sitting at idle (49C) throughout all benchmarks (confirmed using graphs on MSI Afterburner).

The GTX 470 hit a max temperature of 94C during Unigine Heaven benchmark, and during Furmark benchmarks. Highest fan speed (on Auto) was 86%. Ambient room temp is about 72-75F. I'm going to be posting a thread to compare my GTX 260 SLI benchmarks against hte GTX 470 in case you're interested. :) 
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July 1, 2010 10:24:38 PM

Update for everyone! I have just installed my psu, which has taken me quite a bit to get it to my liking. All is well for now and running i am going to start playing a bit and see if i still have such extreme temperature fluctuations.
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July 2, 2010 2:18:54 PM

Issue has been resolved all. For whatever reason that i cant explain my psu wasnt enough power im assuming for the card. It was a 600 watt psu but it caused my GPU to heat up very quickly and wouldnt cool off. I was getting in the 90c range before in MW2, now that ive installed the new PSU and organized my cables very well its odd for it to even get above 70c now. I run the fans around 70-80% when playing and it keeps it under 75c easily. If anyone was having a heat issue i suggest checking your psu and organizing cables. I dont suggest listening to the reccomended minimum wattage of 550 Watts because it just simply isnt enough, i had a 600 and it also wasnt enough. Now that im running 750 Watts it runs like a dream. Im getting a consistent 50-80 FPS in ARMA 2. Im very happy with my purchase overall and although took some tweaking to finally get running correctly i dont have a second though about getting it.
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July 2, 2010 3:07:16 PM

I kinda figured that lol. It was just to much to handle for that little 600 watt psu. Either way i upgraded to the Corsair 750 ATX unit and couldnt be happier. Im not sure if this can be used as a solution for other people who are having a problem with heat, but i sure as hell wouldnt put it past this card. It eats a lot of power, runs extremely hot but for some reason i have a puppy love for Nvidia. The cards performance is unlike anything ive ever owned before, my fps is higher than ever and now that it is running cool i couldnt be happier.
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July 5, 2010 1:24:57 PM

Domc, glad u got it all sorted out man. And about my earlier Best Buy comment, I was just referring strictly to price. And judging by the comment you made saying you paid 420 for the card, I was pretty spot on. Glad you got everything working though, and enjoy your card!
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