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October 13, 2010 11:10:45 PM

Looking for recommendations for mid range Gaming AMD CPU , Motherboard Combo.
I will be running only single monitor.

How is this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Heres what i chose so far

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October 13, 2010 11:44:54 PM

Yep get the Asrock. To recommend a CPU for you though we need more information:

-pricerange
-intended video card setup
-intended games to be played
-monitor resolution
-target game settings and FPS

Also, "midrange" pricepoint means different things to different people. For example, it means $100 to me but to a lot of people it means $150 and to some people it means $200.
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October 14, 2010 12:30:46 AM

pricerange 150
-intended video card setup ATI 5450 or better
-intended games to be played Call of duty modern warfare , Battlefield bad company 2
-monitor resolution 1920 x 1080
-target game settings and FPS 100+
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October 14, 2010 2:10:41 AM

A 5450 for a resolution and target fps that high? I'm speechless...

I'll let the others explain this, since they may have a better way of explaining things.
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October 14, 2010 3:00:30 AM

enzo matrix said:
Yep get the Asrock. To recommend a CPU for you though we need more information:

-pricerange
-intended video card setup
-intended games to be played
-monitor resolution
-target game settings and FPS

Also, "midrange" pricepoint means different things to different people. For example, it means $100 to me but to a lot of people it means $150 and to some people it means $200.



Heres what i chose so far



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
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October 14, 2010 3:52:32 AM

Really? Why do you think its better for gaming?
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October 14, 2010 4:36:42 AM

Here's the lowdown.

Do a bit more research is my advice but here's my further advice:

First, the CPU.
Per core, the phenom II is faster and games will make use of the L2 cache, however, at the pricerange for graphics you are looking at, this doesn't make any difference because your CPU will be slowly walking in order to keep up with a 5450. Even An Athlon II x2 at 2.8GHz would be fine for anything up (pushing it a bit) a radeon 5770.
BFBC2 is a bit of demanding game and makes great use of multiple cores.
MW uses only 2 cores. MW2 can use 3 cores.

Taking this into consideration, a quad core will likely benefit you more in the long run, even if it is lacking the L3 cache and is 0.2GHz slower. BFBC2 is a bit of a more CPU demanding game than other games.

The video card:
I'm just going to come out and say it. The 5450 is a poor choice and you obviously did no research into video cards. I have a 4850 (equal to a 5750) and I can't play BFBC2 at 1920x1080 unless I turn down all the other settings. And even then, I would be lucky to get 60FPS.
Right from toms performance charts:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...
Notice anything? That's right. The 5450 isn't even on the list because it performs worse than the 5550 at the bottom of the list.

The first modern warefare game is a bit more forgiving and I have more experience with it on multiple systems and cards. For comfortable gameplay at that resolution, I would recommend at least a radeon 5670.

So now my advice: You mentioned your CPU budget was $100. I recommend you take that and cut it in half. Take that $75 and buy an Athlon IIx3. Take the other $75 and add it to your (I assume based on 5450 prices) $50 graphics card budget. That should be enough to get a radeon 5670 or a 5750.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 14, 2010 5:11:55 AM

enzo matrix said:
Here's the lowdown.

Do a bit more research is my advice but here's my further advice:

First, the CPU.
Per core, the phenom II is faster and games will make use of the L2 cache, however, at the pricerange for graphics you are looking at, this doesn't make any difference because your CPU will be slowly walking in order to keep up with a 5450. Even An Athlon II x2 at 2.8GHz would be fine for anything up (pushing it a bit) a radeon 5770.
BFBC2 is a bit of demanding game and makes great use of multiple cores.
MW uses only 2 cores. MW2 can use 3 cores.

Taking this into consideration, a quad core will likely benefit you more in the long run, even if it is lacking the L3 cache and is 0.2GHz slower. BFBC2 is a bit of a more CPU demanding game than other games.

The video card:
I'm just going to come out and say it. The 5450 is a poor choice and you obviously did no research into video cards. I have a 4850 (equal to a 5750) and I can't play BFBC2 at 1920x1080 unless I turn down all the other settings. And even then, I would be lucky to get 60FPS.
Right from toms performance charts:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2010-gaming-graphics...
Notice anything? That's right. The 5450 isn't even on the list because it performs worse than the 5550 at the bottom of the list.

The first modern warefare game is a bit more forgiving and I have more experience with it on multiple systems and cards. For comfortable gameplay at that resolution, I would recommend at least a radeon 5670.

So now my advice: You mentioned your CPU budget was $100. I recommend you take that and cut it in half. Take that $75 and buy an Athlon IIx3. Take the other $75 and add it to your (I assume based on 5450 prices) $50 graphics card budget. That should be enough to get a radeon 5670 or a 5750.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was waiting for this, since I hate to bring the bad news. :D 

enzo's right. With that budget vs expectations, there's no solution but to break down the cruel fact. "Even" with the mid-end 5750, maxing out all eye candies with 100+ FPS at high resolution is next to impossible. I recall a similar question answered also by enzo here, which requires a $4000 budget (or was that pounds?) including triple/quad SLI SLI GTX480. Now that's what I call a monster rig!

The moral of the story is, be reasonable with your expectations.
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October 14, 2010 6:40:29 AM

dinodon said:
MY plans are based on this website

http://www.hardware-revolution.com/category/computer-sy...

You mean this? (quoted from the website):

Display:

For a long time, you’ve been asking for recommendations for a good monitor to play on. I’m listening to you and starting today, with this $400 Gaming PC, I’ll be including a few recommendations of good monitors for every Gaming PC.

My recommendations are based on the following criteria:

Price: I obviously won’t recommend a $500 monitor if the budget for the PC is $400.
Resolution: The resolution of the monitor directly impacts the performance within video games, as higher resolution are more demanding on the system, resulting in lower FPS. Picking the right resolution for a particular system is crucial to achieve good performance.
Response time: The lower the better, very important with video games.
Brightness and Contrast Ratio: The higher, the better.
With its resolution of 1440 x 900, the ASUS VH198T Black 19″ 5ms LED 1440 x 900is my main recommendation for the $400 Gaming PC, as it is, without upgrades. This Build will have no problem offering excellent performance in all video games on this monitor. It is also the best option to be able to play future video games without upgrading, or at least, not as soon.
If you play all, but the most demanding games (i.e. Crysis), the $400 Gaming PC, as it is, without upgrades, will be capable of handling the 1600 x 900 resolution of the Samsung BX2035 20″ 2ms 1600×900 LED. If you do intend on playing the most demanding video games, or simply want to be more future proof, I highly recommend upgrading the video card to a Radeon HD 5770 (See the video card section).
If you play older, less demanding games, the $400 Gaming PC will be capable of rendering them without a problem on the ASUS VW224U Black 22″ 2ms 1680 x 1050. If you do intend on playing the most demanding video games, or simply want to be more future proof, upgrading the video card to a Radeon HD 5770 (See the video card section), is a must, unless you are enjoy lag for some reason… said:
Display:

For a long time, you’ve been asking for recommendations for a good monitor to play on. I’m listening to you and starting today, with this $400 Gaming PC, I’ll be including a few recommendations of good monitors for every Gaming PC.

My recommendations are based on the following criteria:

Price: I obviously won’t recommend a $500 monitor if the budget for the PC is $400.
Resolution: The resolution of the monitor directly impacts the performance within video games, as higher resolution are more demanding on the system, resulting in lower FPS. Picking the right resolution for a particular system is crucial to achieve good performance.
Response time: The lower the better, very important with video games.
Brightness and Contrast Ratio: The higher, the better.
With its resolution of 1440 x 900, the ASUS VH198T Black 19″ 5ms LED 1440 x 900is my main recommendation for the $400 Gaming PC, as it is, without upgrades. This Build will have no problem offering excellent performance in all video games on this monitor. It is also the best option to be able to play future video games without upgrading, or at least, not as soon.
If you play all, but the most demanding games (i.e. Crysis), the $400 Gaming PC, as it is, without upgrades, will be capable of handling the 1600 x 900 resolution of the Samsung BX2035 20″ 2ms 1600×900 LED. If you do intend on playing the most demanding video games, or simply want to be more future proof, I highly recommend upgrading the video card to a Radeon HD 5770 (See the video card section).
If you play older, less demanding games, the $400 Gaming PC will be capable of rendering them without a problem on the ASUS VW224U Black 22″ 2ms 1680 x 1050. If you do intend on playing the most demanding video games, or simply want to be more future proof, upgrading the video card to a Radeon HD 5770 (See the video card section), is a must, unless you are enjoy lag for some reason…


Okay, let's do some check marks. First, the author said nothing about 1920 x 1080 resolution. Second, he also didn't specify the intended FPS. Third, he didn't mention anything about maxing out the settings. And last, he also implicitly mentioned that the setup has limited performance.

Sorry, but you simply need to lower your expectations. :) 

BTW, is this gonna be your first build?
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October 14, 2010 5:28:37 PM

buy an athlon x3 445 , they overclock really well and are cheap , use the savings on other stuff, it definitely won't give you a bottleneck
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October 14, 2010 10:05:06 PM

Best answer selected by dinodon.
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