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August 6, 2010 10:02:51 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: soon

BUDGET RANGE: He is currently trying to spend around $4k.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, school work, surfing the internet, watching movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United States


OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe


ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Friend sent me this info for his computer. I'm thinking he probably could get away with a lot less. Can you all help me?

ASUS P6X58D Premium $309.99
Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive 179.99
OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX120G 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive $289.00
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case $174.99
KINGWIN Lazer LZ-1000 1000W 159.99
ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" $219.99
ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) $314.99
ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) $314.99
OCZ Reaper Edition 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 $299.99
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz $999.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit $174.99
Delta FFB1212EH-PWM 120mm Case Fan $36.99
Rosewill RKM-1600RF Slim Wireless Multimedia Keyboard and Laser Mouse Combo $39.99
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound $9.99
OKGEAR 12" 4pin PWM fan Y cable w/ black sleeved $3.29
Rexus PST-3 Digital Power Supply Tester with LCD $24.99
Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 Media Center Kit Dual TV Tuner 1213 $124.99
EVERCOOL SB-F2 PCI Slot Case Cooler $7.99
LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support $99.99
ICY DOCK MB672SKGF-B Screwless Hard Drive Mobile Rack with LCD Display $139.98

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August 6, 2010 10:31:12 PM

Building a 2k rig now and a 2k rig in another couple years will give him better performance in the long run for the same price. An i7 930 when OCed will perform just as well as the 980X for only $290, so that knocks $610 off the price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That HDD hotswap rack seems a bit overpriced since many cases have built in hot swap bays, and how often will he be moving the HDD to make it worth an additional $50?

There is no need for 12GB of ram for gaming, 4GB is plenty, and 6GB is more than enough so there is no point in spending 300 on a 12GB kit when a 6GB kit will do just as well, so that knocks of $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

At only 1920x1080 a single GTX 470 should be more than enough, and would leave a chance to add a second down the line if more performance is needed.

I wouldnt pay $25 for a power supply tester, but then again i have a DMM i can use, but the chances of you needing the tester are slim, there are lots of tests that can be done without the tester.

The kingwin lazer isnt too good looking at its jonnyguru review, and is more power than needed for that system. What i would suggest is getting the Antec 1200 with the TP-750 Blue preinstalled and combo it with the windows 7 home premium, ultimate doesnt add much more on and certainly isnt worth double the price, those changes cut another $180 off.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

That delta fan is extremely expensive and only has two reviews, i would go for a fan from scythe or another well known manufacturer instead, and the 4000 RPM rating on that fan means that it will get extremely loud, im sure it pushes a ton of air but do you really want to have a small tornado in the room.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 6, 2010 10:32:17 PM

Yeah, for the uses mentioned above he could spend a hell of a lot less and still be able to run any software he likes. But ultimately its his decision what to spend.

I would save several hundred by getting a more reasonable CPU like the i7 930. If they wanted they could OC this CPU up to match the clock speed of the 980X or even better.
Why 12GB ram? They'll never get close to using that much. Even if you got rid of the hard drive cache for the SSD, you still wouldn't use that much. Well, I'll leave that alone for now.
i7 930
OCZ vertex 2 is better
Take some money saved and get a bigger/better monitor,
Why spend $1000 for a CPU then go bargain bin woth your input devices?
MX 518 or comparable mouse.
The Logitech G15 keyboard is on sale $70 free shippiung and $20 MIR:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
For me I would get one dvd burner and one blu ray reader. How many blu-rays do you see people burning?

Does he normally build PC's? Because you don't need a PSU tester for one PSU, the BIOS should give you all you need.
oh well..
Bottom line is you could spend under 2000 and have an amazingly fast and good looking system. But if you have the money for the ultimate...Well its still a waste of money in my book! :D 


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August 6, 2010 11:10:07 PM

You really reach the point of diminishing returns at about $3000, and a $2k computer can do almost everything the $3k can. $4k is pretty much just spending money to look cool.

With that amount of money, you might want to look at doing a triple-monitor setup, to at least get something interesting for the price.

First thing to do, as others have mentioned, is get rid of the i7-980X. Once you're looking at reasonable graphics cards & resolutions, CPU has very little to do with gaming performance. The i7-980X provides some performance improvement for gaming, but not $710 worth.

And I have to agree with the above points about going bargain on the peripherals. I'd think that you'd want to spend at least $100 on the speaker system, and another $100-200 on the keyboard & mouse.

Definitely get a Vertex 2 for the SSD, or go big and get a 256 GB Crucial C300.

Virtually no home users need the additional features of Win 7 Ultimate. I mean, if he really wants it, fine, but there aren't interesting extras like Vista had. All you get is BitLocker and the capability to switch languages. You can do your own encryption with TrueCrypt, or other free encryption tools. I could see wanting the network backup or the XP mode, but you can get those in Win 7 Pro as well.
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August 7, 2010 1:19:59 AM

Yep, XP mode is available in WIN7 Pro. Ultimate is overpriced.
+1 C300.
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August 7, 2010 6:09:45 PM

Pretty much what everyone else said.

Does he really need 2 TB? If not, get a 1TB Spinpoint.

IMO go with a Corsair or XFX PSU

Get a single 5870 and get another one later if you need it.

Get low latency 6GB ram of a better brand like Corsair or GSkill. Get more later if you need it.

You really won't need the hard drive dock, a lot of cases come with them.

As for the 980, well, I can't say not to get it if you have the money to blow, but a 930 is just fine. Unlike the RAM and GPU, that's really the only part that you can't "add more later" to.
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August 7, 2010 6:14:38 PM

why not get the asus are, lol
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August 7, 2010 6:16:33 PM

i mean asus ares, spending 4k on a pc is just so he can brag
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