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August 7, 2010 3:56:40 PM

Are todays latest games really ready for quad cores as yet. I know everyone is running around picking up an x58/i7 920/930 combo and P7P55/i5 700 series combo. But for gaming with the p55 set wouldn't an i5 650/660 do just fine overclocked to about 4.0 ghz with a good Cooler master HAF 922 case and a good cpu fan like a Cooler Master Hyper 212 +. I know its only dual core hyper threaded to make 4 logical cores. However, dont games usually need clock speed nowadays rather than 4 and six cores.?
Along with that, a EVGA GTX 460 SC 1GB would be the graphics card used.
Anyways, give your input please.

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August 7, 2010 4:00:39 PM

Alot of people say that quad cores will replace dual cores in the future,but im thinkin that the dual core will be around for a long time.:) 
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August 7, 2010 4:04:11 PM

Yea i agree.
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August 7, 2010 4:06:09 PM

Just because its a quad core it doesnt always mean its better than a dual core
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August 7, 2010 4:29:00 PM

so I will stick with a i5 660 processor and overclock to 3.6/8GHz.
Sound good?
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August 7, 2010 4:40:06 PM

Sounds like a good plan to me
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August 7, 2010 4:53:26 PM

GTA IV, BF:BC2, MS Flight Sim X are some games off the top of my head that can support quad cores, and i would expect more PC games that utilize DX10/11 to get more threaded due to Windows 7 new driver design that allows for multiple threads

and IMO, the i5 dual cores are a huge waste of money considering you get the i5-750/760 for the same price and they clock just as high
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August 7, 2010 4:54:42 PM

but i5 750/760 has no hyperthreading
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August 7, 2010 5:06:09 PM

Zephyrhills said:
but i5 750/760 has no hyperthreading


who the hell cares, they are quad cores, the HT threads only have something like 20-30% of the performance of the physical cores anyways

the i5-6xx are dual cores with HT, so the i5-7xx are just as fast in 1,2 threads and faster in 3,4 threads (at the same clock rate)
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August 7, 2010 5:12:41 PM

ok, so 750 is the way to go...hmmmm. I'll consider it .
However, i was thinking about the fact that games require high clock speed, and i know more cores produce more heat and overclocking a 750 will only require me to have to get a beefy cpu cooler. while the i5 600 series start at 3.2 and go higher.
A Cooler Master Hyper 212+ should do.
What do u think.
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August 7, 2010 5:13:34 PM

The fact that there are games already that really need the extra actual (four) cores makes me feel like the age of the dual core is coming to an end. Dual cores might outperform quads in older games due to the higher clock speed, but aren't those games that will get killed by any new system?
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August 7, 2010 5:15:52 PM

Zephyrhills said:
ok, so 750 is the way to go...hmmmm. I'll consider it .
However, i was thinking about the fact that games require high clock speed, and i know more cores produce more heat and overclocking a 750 will only require me to have to get a beefy cpu cooler. while the i5 600 series start at 3.2 and go higher.
A Cooler Master Hyper 212+ should do.
What do u think.


the CM Hyper 212+ would be a good cooler, though don't grab it from newegg as they have it over priced ($50), here it is at amazon Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus, and with any decent board you should be able to hit 3.6-4.0, though really 3.6 should be plenty

Silvune said:
The fact that there are games already that really need the extra actual (four) cores makes me feel like the age of the dual core is coming to an end. Dual cores might outperform quads in older games due to the higher clock speed, but aren't those games that will get killed by any new system?


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August 7, 2010 5:21:49 PM

ok. Yes i am aware of newegg overpricing of the cooler master cooler cuz i can get it for 29.99 at tiger or amazon.
But thanks otherwise for input so i will pull the trigger on that i5 750

The motherboard is either:

ASUS P7P55D Deluxe - $169.00
OR
ASUS P7P55D-E Deluxe - $239.00 - USB3.0 and SATA 3GB/s ( a bit overpriced tho)

I LIKE THE OC FEATURES OF THE DELUXE VERSION MOBOS from ASUS
what ya think.

And a evga gtx 460 1gb sc
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August 7, 2010 5:34:57 PM

The first Asus one seems like a good price, but if you want the SATA 6.o gbps and USB 3.0 you could go with the GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD4P for ~$185
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August 7, 2010 5:51:57 PM

If you buy the 212 from Amazon, the shipping time shows 1-2 months. Get it there if you can wait that long.
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August 7, 2010 5:53:34 PM

It is not a necessity. Btw, the i5 750 wont bottleneck a 460 huh?
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August 7, 2010 5:54:32 PM

CPDawg said:
If you buy the 212 from Amazon, the shipping time shows 1-2 months. Get it there if you can wait that long.


good call, didn't even notice that
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August 7, 2010 6:04:49 PM

the i5 760 is 2,8ghz
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August 7, 2010 6:07:51 PM

and if you get the ud4p, once you put 2 cards in crossfire or sli it disables usb3 and so on, i would go for the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro or the ASUS P7P55D-E Evo
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August 7, 2010 7:05:56 PM

ok. i will check it out
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August 7, 2010 7:11:39 PM

the other option is to not care since there aren't any drives that saturate the Sata 3.0 gpbs link speed (SS'ds are getting there) and if you don't plan on using any USB 3.0 external devices (as eSata works just fine) you may not even need it
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August 7, 2010 7:15:20 PM

Ok, that sounds reasonable so i wud therefore go for an D-E PRO/EVO or D Deluxe
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August 7, 2010 7:38:25 PM

Short answer - no, quad cores are not currently needed for gaming.
Longer answer - currently, the thing that bottlenecks your system the most in gaming is your GPU, which is why a dual-core CPU is just dandy. However, if you get an SLI/CrossFire configuration (which is really picking up popularity lately), then a dual-core will most certainly bottleneck your overall FPS. So the question is - are you planning on sticking 2 GPU's in your build or is one enough for you?

Also, about that motherboard - only the P55A-UD4P has USB 3.0 - the P55-UD4P does not. It's also cheaper and performs better on nearly every level than the Asus boards (check out Tom's Hardware round-up here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-motherboar...).
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August 7, 2010 7:44:29 PM

Guillotine said:
Short answer - no, quad cores are not currently needed for gaming.
Longer answer - currently, the thing that bottlenecks your system the most in gaming is your GPU, which is why a dual-core CPU is just dandy.


Not totally true, there are games that will be bottlenecked by dual cores (like the ones i said earlier and Metro 2033) unless you have the OC'ed to 3.8-4GHz and there are going to be more games that do this in the future and with $100 quads (Athlon II) that can be clocked to 3.6GHz there really isn't a reason to get a dual core anymore
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August 7, 2010 7:47:34 PM

Guillotine said:
Short answer - no, quad cores are not currently needed for gaming.
Longer answer - currently, the thing that bottlenecks your system the most in gaming is your GPU, which is why a dual-core CPU is just dandy. However, if you get an SLI/CrossFire configuration (which is really picking up popularity lately), then a dual-core will most certainly bottleneck your overall FPS. So the question is - are you planning on sticking 2 GPU's in your build or is one enough for you?

Also, about that motherboard - only the P55A-UD4P has USB 3.0 - the P55-UD4P does not. It's also cheaper and performs better on nearly every level than the Asus boards (check out Tom's Hardware round-up here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lga-1156-motherboar...).


I plan to stick another gpu in the mobo so i guess i will be using the i5 750 then or 760 huh?
Also give me that link again, its says ' sorry' so its broken link.
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August 8, 2010 3:45:17 AM

oh ok, I will stick with the Asus p7p55d deluxe, i5 750/760 and gtx 460
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August 8, 2010 7:56:57 AM

Zephyrhills said:
oh ok, I will stick with the Asus p7p55d deluxe, i5 750/760 and gtx 460

Im gettin the same CPU and graphics card as you lol
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August 8, 2010 9:00:31 AM

same here
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September 4, 2010 6:21:40 AM

OK seriously, I can't believe how much people can't see through the bull$hia. First of all they have been saying games will adapt quad cores for2-3 years, since they came out with quad cores, while some games may support it, until games are optimized on quad cores you won't notice a difference. Second of all the most misleading thing you will hear on these boards, is "future proofing" your system. Don't buy a system that you expect to last ten years. This technology is constantly changing, 2 years ago, the lga 1156 and 1366 chipsets made LGA 775 obsolete, so all those people who spend money on LGA 775 boards with PCI-e 2.0, look like idiots, because now they have to buy new boards. For the majority of gaming you're gonna be fine with with a mid range CPU and some kick a$$ GPUS in SLI. The fact of the matter is, most gaming right now is optimized for consoles, the GPU in an xbox still runs on 256 MB of memory. Xbox and PS3 are computers that you would absolutely laugh at, yet the games are optimized to run specifically on those systems so they work well. Get a PC that is optimized you can run games at high settings, but even worrying about that is pointless cause so few games are optimized well enough to even use the hardware being applied to them. The few that are, are fun to play, but all in all, gaming is years behind the computer technology, so buy yourself a cheap system, some good GPUS, and let those wannabe videographers and photographers and middle age DJ's from california keep the price of elite computer technology down for the rest of us.
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September 6, 2010 12:56:59 AM

lol.....wow
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September 6, 2010 1:06:38 AM

i think 1000 dollars is the best budget to build a computer for its provides great performance, and its not so highly pricced that you cant just get a new one in 2 - 3 years
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September 6, 2010 1:26:36 AM

cpu is not that necessary for gaming... with any procesor between phenom ii x2 555 and phenom ii x4 955 ur fine and u got a great porcesor... for gaming its better to get a cheaper procesor of amd (the diference between intel and amd in games its not big) and a expensier graphics card.

phenom ii x2 555 +5850 its better than intel i5 760+gtx 460
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September 6, 2010 1:31:31 AM

IMO there's no reason to be building a new system with a dual core. All remotely taxing games released in the past year have been at least dual-threaded, so an extra core for background processes is significant. The price difference is at worst linear, so the quads often provide a better value. There have been a ton of new games released that are fully threaded and benefit from a quad or even hexacore.

i5-760+460 is where it's at for most builds, looks good.
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September 6, 2010 2:42:41 AM

I honestly don't see why you wouldn't get the i5 760. It's quad core and can still overclock like hell. There are some applications that will benefit.
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September 6, 2010 12:20:28 PM

yes, my choice therefore is
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

XFX Black Edition 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular

EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support (X2)

Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor

Asus P7P55D Deluxe LGA 1156 Motherboard.

Sound good?
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September 6, 2010 2:03:59 PM

No Thanks, I want the EVGA GTX 460 1GB SC edition instead because a gtx 470 is a waste of that extra money to me...since i am gonna put in 2 460's for less and get just a good performance as 2 470's. The 460 is only a tad less good than the 470 and in todays games,that doesnt make a difference..
Check the reviews from google.
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September 6, 2010 2:07:01 PM

I have, it performs very close the 470, but at higher resolutions/AA it falls short.

Especially in SLI, the 470s outperform it by quite a bit. For a single card I say go for it, but in SLI the 470s scale better.
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September 6, 2010 2:26:29 PM

hmmm... well i will b doing 16xx X xxxx resolution i can remeber what it is \.
but i think it is 1680 x 920 or somethin like that for 22, screens.
and i will b doin 1370x 1280....
lol i am so bad at the resolutions...
corrrect me if u will
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September 6, 2010 2:33:29 PM

If your resolution is really 1680*1050 or lower then you need a single 460/470.
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September 6, 2010 2:43:55 PM

right thats it....and i am gonna get 2 460's tho and oc them both....that'll be good enough for me...cool?
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September 6, 2010 3:04:35 PM

It's going to be massive overkill. 1680 has been considered a budget resolution for the past ~5 years.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180

A single stock 460 is enough to get 30 FPS+ in EVERY game out there with 4x AA at 1680. In most games it delivers 60+. Down the road in a year when it no longer does, you'll be able to buy a second 460 at greatly diminished cost.

If you're willing to only use 2xAA, it does 60+ in all games. If you need 4X+, you have at least 40 FPS in all games.
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September 6, 2010 8:43:46 PM

ok...thank u .....but what i meant is that I am buying 1 now then one sometime later. so I understand what u mean
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