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July 1, 2010 9:37:17 PM

I have a Compaq CQ5320F PC with 3 GB RAM, AMD Athlon II X2 240 processor (2.80 GHz), and I installed Nvidia 8400 GS graphics card (Which sucks for gaming). Can you tell me a graphics card I can get that is good for gaming($100). My PC supports PCI and I think it has 250w power supply.

Edit- my PC supports PCI and PCI-E
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July 2, 2010 12:34:48 AM

i would not run the 5570 on a compaq PSU. the card uses more power then the ATI 4650 and Compaq PSU are below DELL levels and even HP for a mass PC seller.
July 2, 2010 12:38:57 AM

Im doin research Myself for a decent Graphics card, and i found some REALLy interesting deals.

You can get a GeForce 9800 Gt for 65 bucks after Rebate off of Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-512-P3-N973-TR-GeForce-PCI-E...

You can also get a 9800 gtx+, which i heard is LOADs better, for about 105 after rebate.

According to this guy
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=140889&st=...
the 8800 Ultra is better than the Gtx+. I havent found one on a retail site (Like Amazon or Newegg) But theres a few people selling them on ebay. The bids as of this post are 53$ for both, but they have 10 hour difference in ending times, and shipping is 10 and 7.50 respectively. Course, tomarrows the last day for these offers, so im not sure how helpful they are. :p 
Anyways, here are the Ebay links
http://cgi.ebay.com/EVGA-NVIDIA-GeForce-8800-Ultra-not-...
http://cgi.ebay.com/XFX-NVIDIA-GeForce-8800-Ultra-/2206...


Good Luck in your Search. :D 



EDIT: wait, its PCi, not Pci-e? All the links i have are Pci-e...
If it Is Pci, then you might be better off getting a new computer, due to the fact that pci is really outdated. How did you find out it was pci?
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 12:55:05 AM

He has a PCI-E port. None of the cards you mentioned will work on his power supply however.
July 2, 2010 12:56:32 AM

Actually I have both slots, but I prefer PCI-E, much better cards right?
July 2, 2010 12:57:38 AM

Hmmmmm, Now Im kinda worried My power supply isnt good enough either.....
July 2, 2010 1:01:08 AM

OK This is what I want to know: If A graphics card says requires 300W of power supply can I still run it with no problems in 250w computer?
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 1:10:11 AM

Open the side of your computer. On the power supply will be a chart. Tell us the brand/model and the number of amps it claims to have on the +12v rail.
July 2, 2010 1:15:30 AM

@bigdanny: I really really really really doubt it. You'd probrably crash. But thats just what i think based on logic. You never know, after all, Technology is unpredictable. And also, please no Allcaps. Its against the ruls of the forum, i think. And it annoys the heck outta me. If you want to emphasize something, use [b.]Stuff [/b.] to bold it. And leave out the .

@jyjjy(if that was to me): Id rather not have to open my computer until i get the graphics card itself, so its less likely i do something that screws my computer over somehow. Is there another way?
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 1:19:06 AM

Would you rather get a card that doesn't work?
How would opening the case screw up your computer?
July 2, 2010 1:29:33 AM

No....
I don't know, dust can land on the motherboard or something and mess up the current of electricity/signals. If i do have to open my computer, id get my dad to do it. He's more of a hardware guy than me. And hes out right noww. :p 

One more question: The Graphics card says its DDR3, and according to CPU-Z My memory is DDR2. Is the DDR2 type just based off of the memory card I already have, or based off of actual specifications from my processor/motherboard/computerything?
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July 2, 2010 1:47:30 AM

bigdanny88 said:
OK This is what I want to know: IF A GRAPHICS CARD SAYS REQUIRES 300W OF POWER SUPPLY CAN I STILL RUN IT WITH NO PROBLEMS IN 250W COMPUTER?

anyone?


yes assuming your PSU was not bought on ebay for $10 and came with a free t-shirt worth $9.
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July 2, 2010 1:50:14 AM

Jarwain said:

One more question: The Graphics card says its DDR3, and according to CPU-Z My memory is DDR2. Is the DDR2 type just based off of the memory card I already have, or based off of actual specifications from my processor/motherboard/computerything?


Graphics memory and PC memory are two separate things and need not correspond. the DDR2 are the type of ram sticks in your motherboard. the DDR3 on the video card is simply independent memory the card uses itself.
July 2, 2010 1:52:32 AM

ct1615 said:
yes assuming your PSU was not bought on ebay for $10 and came with a free t-shirt worth $9.



Lol. :D 
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July 2, 2010 1:53:40 AM

jyjjy said:
Open the side of your computer. On the power supply will be a chart. Tell us the brand/model and the number of amps it claims to have on the +12v rail.


:bounce: 
July 2, 2010 2:01:29 AM

ct1615 said:
are you serious? its a compaq PSU between 250-300w. it's a step above the crap e-machines puts in their machines and a step below HP is willing to put in their "HP" PCs.


I believe he was talking to me...
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July 2, 2010 2:06:13 AM

just about every mass produced consumer PC comes with a 250-300w unit that is reliable to power the PC but often lacks any real power for video gaming cards that are above entry level.
July 2, 2010 2:24:00 AM

ct1615 said:
i know he was talking to you but jyjyy already knew the answer to the question he asked. just about every mass produced consumer PC comes with a 250-300w unit that is reliable to power the PC but often lacks any real power for video gaming cards that are above entry level.


Ahh, so would it be better to buy a new psu if i want that 9800 GT?
July 2, 2010 2:29:50 AM

Ok no more Caps sorry, and I have already opened my PC case, I installed the video card myself. And my power supply is 250w.
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July 2, 2010 2:30:06 AM

Jarwain said:
Ahh, so would it be better to buy a new psu if i want that 9800 GT?


it would be your only choice if you wanted a 9800GT
July 2, 2010 2:54:14 AM

jyjjy said:
Open the side of your computer. On the power supply will be a chart. Tell us the brand/model and the number of amps it claims to have on the +12v rail.


Make: Bestec
Model: ATX-250-122 rev: D7R
Input: 100-127V~6A, 200-240V~3A 50/60 Mhz
Output: 250W max.
+5V & +3.3V 165W max. + 5V & 12V 218W Max.
July 2, 2010 2:58:52 AM

ct1615 said:
it would be your only choice if you wanted a 9800GT

Ok so whats the better gaming card 9800GT or nvidia GT220 like you said earlier?
July 2, 2010 3:06:11 AM

9800 GT is better Hands Down. But to do that, youd need a better PSU. I'll see if i can update you on what I find tomarrow, cuz i have to sleep now and I need to look up Psu's too, seing as my computer is only 300 watts. If you do some research, do me a favor and put it on here. C:
The 9800 Gt has a 400 watt minimum reccomendation according to the Nvidia webbie

EDIT: If you try doin some research yourself on the video cards, keep this in mind. For Nvidia, anything between 6-8 is awesome for gaming. Like the Gt x600-x800 pwns at gaming, Gt x100-x500 is more casual. and x is just the series. ^.^
Also, 8800 is better thn 9400 and 9600 is better than 9400 (yet 96 is more expensive than 98. O.o)

Also, for Psu's, Comp Usa/Tiger Direct has a 550 watt Psu for 40$. :D 
'S a shame im ona strict 100$> budget
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July 2, 2010 3:09:52 AM

the 9800GT is much better card but you need a PSU upgrade for it.
July 2, 2010 6:30:02 AM

Since I willl not upgrade my power supply then my best candidate is the GT220 or
GT 240, at least I will get more decent framing rate than the 8400gs right?
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 11:21:39 AM

I would go for the HD5570. It uses up to 35w under normal usage. Your 8400GS tends to max out at 20w. So it only uses 15w more but then again Bestec is known for particularly poor PSUs. I can't guarantee it will work but I would say it is likely. From the numbers I'm seeing both the GT 220 and 240 use slightly more power so the HD5570 is likely your best bet.
It will be a huge upgrade over the 8400GS, which is simply a terrible card for gaming. Probably about 3-4 times more powerful.
July 2, 2010 12:03:15 PM

I agree with jyjjy . HD 55 70 is better also it support DX 11 for future coming games. so go for it.
July 2, 2010 12:04:50 PM

ct1615 said:
yes assuming your PSU was not bought on ebay for $10 and came with a free t-shirt worth $9.

+1
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July 2, 2010 9:38:01 PM

ct1615 said:
i would not run the 5570 on a compaq PSU. the card uses more power then the ATI 4650 and Compaq PSU are below DELL levels and even HP for a mass PC seller.

Just to clarify the power consumption the HD5570 has the performance of HD4670 and consumes less power than a HD4650 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5570,2552...
July 2, 2010 10:14:58 PM

digvijaysingh said:
I agree with jyjjy . HD 55 70 is better also it support DX 11 for future coming games. so go for it.


jyjjy said:
I would go for the HD5570. It uses up to 35w under normal usage. Your 8400GS tends to max out at 20w. So it only uses 15w more but then again Bestec is known for particularly poor PSUs. I can't guarantee it will work but I would say it is likely. From the numbers I'm seeing both the GT 220 and 240 use slightly more power so the HD5570 is likely your best bet.
It will be a huge upgrade over the 8400GS, which is simply a terrible card for gaming. Probably about 3-4 times more powerful.

So you guys are saying Ati is better than Nvidia cards, they use less power. I always thought Nvidia graphics were #1, thats why I was going for an Nvidia card.
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July 2, 2010 10:43:58 PM

Here is a review of the 5570, they compare it to the GT 240 throughout.
The GT 240 is the clear winner, using less power and providing better fps.
The Gt240 is rated at higher tdp by Nvidia than ATI rates the 5570 69vs42
No it does not have dx 11, but that is a non factor on low end cards.
In that review, they find that the 5570 is about the best 'low profile' card, one can choose.
So for people with slim cases, thats its niche, imho.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2935/13


a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 11:08:57 PM

notty22 said:
The GT 240 is the clear winner, using less power and providing better fps.

That is not consistent with most reviews I've seen that compare the two cards. The power usage at least. The GT 240 is a bit faster.
July 2, 2010 11:12:33 PM

ok i am going with Ati hd 5570 :) , hopefully it works
July 2, 2010 11:17:01 PM

wait one more thing, does it matter what manufacturer I get it from (for example Diamond, xfx, Sapphire)
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 2, 2010 11:37:15 PM

Not really. They are all pretty much the same card apart from the cooler and warranty and the cooler doesn't really matter much on such a low power card. I would choose mostly based on price.
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July 2, 2010 11:43:04 PM

XFX is good because of their Dual lifetime warranty. Then there is always the cheapest you can get.
July 3, 2010 1:48:29 AM

jyjjy said:
They entirely made up that 400w number. Our advice is much more accurate.



Actually, according to the AMD website, it says the 5570 and 5550 reccomends at least 400 watts of system power. See here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...


EDIT: I just discovered a worry point:
My OS is a 32 bit, and the Card is 64. Will it still work if my Processor is 64 bit too? The processor is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
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July 3, 2010 4:04:48 AM

Jarwain said:



EDIT: I just discovered a worry point:
My OS is a 32 bit, and the Card is 64. Will it still work if my Processor is 64 bit too? The processor is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+


your OS and a video card bit interface are independent of one another. you can use a 256 bit interface card on a 32bit OS, no need to worry.
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July 3, 2010 4:21:42 AM

Jarwain said:
Actually, according to the AMD website, it says the 5570 and 5550 reccomends at least 400 watts of system power. See here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-rad...

Yes, I'm aware they say that. If fact that is what I specifically was saying is an entirely made up number. It has no basis in reality.
July 3, 2010 4:36:50 AM

Shrug. Mmkayy, im just going off the websites.
One last question, i hope: Gt240 or 5450? I can afford a Psu upgrade for the 5450 since i ca get it for 15$, but would the 240 be better?

And why do I get the feeling im taking over the thread, kinda? Oh wellll. :p 
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July 3, 2010 4:39:53 AM

the GT240 is much better but don't buy a cheap PSU to power it.
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 3, 2010 4:41:10 AM

The HD5450 is not a gaming card.
July 3, 2010 4:42:59 AM

If i get the 240, im stuck with the stock 300 watt PSU my computer already has, which should be fine according to the Nvidia Website. So teh 240 then?
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