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I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?

I once had a kind of "lens tissue", but in absence of this, what is best to
use? Soft cloth, toilet paper, newspaper, ordinary paper, or...?

Regards, Lars.

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On 27 Dec 2004 in rec.photo.digital, Lars Bonnesen wrote:

> I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean
> it?
>
> I once had a kind of "lens tissue", but in absence of this, what is
> best to use? Soft cloth, toilet paper, newspaper, ordinary paper,
> or...?

I just bought a new camera; the guy at the dealer tossed in a couple of
microfiber lens cleaning cloths. I would imagine you could pick them up
for not very much in any photo supply store.

Looking at them, they're Photosilk brand: http://www.photosilk.com/

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
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Before I give you any advice, just how expensive is your lens? :-)

Best is a proper lens tissue, barely dampened with lens cleaning
solution. Next best would be one of those soft cloths specifically for
cleaning eyeglasses. In emergencies, in the absence of anything better,
I usually seek out a clean soft cotton cloth very lightly applied after
fogging the lens with breath. At no time would I ever let paper of any
kind touch my lenses, be they eyeglasses or other - coatings go
bye-bye.

Peace!
ECM

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On 12/27/04 8:08 AM, in article
41d0177d$0$182$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk, "Lars Bonnesen"
<noone@none.invalid> wrote:

> I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?
>
> I once had a kind of "lens tissue", but in absence of this, what is best to
> use? Soft cloth, toilet paper, newspaper, ordinary paper, or...?
>
> Regards, Lars.
>
>
Zeiss makes lens cloth packets that I'm sure are widely available. They are
pre-dampened with isopropyl alcohol and are recommended for coated lenses.
I would not normally use anything but a dry brush, but if you have something
like fingerprints on the lens you pretty much have to wet it with something.
Chuck

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>I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?
>
>

Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning fluid.

Put a few drops of fluid on the tissue and clean the lens. Never put fluid on
the lens and don't use paper.
Rosita

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>
> Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning fluid.
>
>
Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning chemicals
on a fine camera lens. Never.

I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue (now made by Tiffen, under license). I
also use Kodak lens cleaning fluid (it must be 30 years old--that's how
little of it I've used all this time!). I presume that it is still
available. If not, this link has cleaning fluid and lens tissue:

http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html

I have tried microfibre cloth, but it smudged my lens surface. Disposable
lens tissue, while more expensive in the long run, did not smudge.

After you've solved your problem, consider affixing a UV or Skylight filter
as a lens protector. It is estimated at a good filter may degrade the image
by perhaps 2%. It is better to sacrifice a filter than to ruin a lens, in
my view.

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HRosita wrote:
>>I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?
>>
>>
>
>
> Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning fluid.
>
> Put a few drops of fluid on the tissue and clean the lens. Never put fluid on
> the lens and don't use paper.
> Rosita
>
>
Promaster by Lenspen. Around $10 online or at camera stores. Has a brush
on one end and some kind of dry (power) cleaner on the other. See:

http://www.penncamera.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2308

Happy Holidays!

Chip Gallo
www.flickr.com/photos/chipgallo

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Jeremy wrote:
>
> >
> > Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning fluid.
> >
> >
> Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
> destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning chemicals
> on a fine camera lens. Never.
>
> I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue (now made by Tiffen, under license). I
> also use Kodak lens cleaning fluid (it must be 30 years old--that's how
> little of it I've used all this time!). I presume that it is still
> available. If not, this link has cleaning fluid and lens tissue:
>
> http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html
>
> I have tried microfibre cloth, but it smudged my lens surface. Disposable
> lens tissue, while more expensive in the long run, did not smudge.
>
> After you've solved your problem, consider affixing a UV or Skylight filter
> as a lens protector. It is estimated at a good filter may degrade the image
> by perhaps 2%. It is better to sacrifice a filter than to ruin a lens, in
> my view.

Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.

Lisa

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Lisa Horton wrote:
>
> Jeremy wrote:
>
>>>Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning fluid.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
>>destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning chemicals
>>on a fine camera lens. Never.
>>
>>I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue (now made by Tiffen, under license). I
>>also use Kodak lens cleaning fluid (it must be 30 years old--that's how
>>little of it I've used all this time!). I presume that it is still
>>available. If not, this link has cleaning fluid and lens tissue:
>>
>>http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html
>>
>>I have tried microfibre cloth, but it smudged my lens surface. Disposable
>>lens tissue, while more expensive in the long run, did not smudge.
>>
>>After you've solved your problem, consider affixing a UV or Skylight filter
>>as a lens protector. It is estimated at a good filter may degrade the image
>>by perhaps 2%. It is better to sacrifice a filter than to ruin a lens, in
>>my view.
>
>
> Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
> because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
> to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.
>
> Lisa

I agree that microfiber cloths are the best remedy for grease on a lens.
A quality photoshop may give you a free sample ar will sell you a larger
piece.
I would dampen the lens surface first by breathing on it several times
to facilitate removal of the grease.
Bob Williams

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Jeremy wrote:

> Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain
> silicone and may be destructive to optical lens
> coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning chemicals
> on a fine camera lens. Never.

Isn't this advice from 30 years ago?

I may be wrong, but isn't the lens cleaning solution
sold by LensCrafters basically clean water plus
isopropyl alcohol? Aren't their lens tissues simply
lint-free, with no silicone?

I believe most lens cleaners and tissues sold by the
big chains like LC and Pearle are designed to handle
the multitude of coatings offered by those companies,
and don't contain silicone.

Like I say, I might be wrong, but I recall hearing
that advice about silicone decades ago when
drug stores sold little eyeglass cleaning kits that
were pretty bad, but I'm not sure that holds anymore.

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Lisa Horton wrote:
> Jeremy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning
>>> fluid.
>>>
>>>
>> Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
>> destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning
>> chemicals on a fine camera lens. Never.
>>
>> I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue (now made by Tiffen, under
>> license). I also use Kodak lens cleaning fluid (it must be 30 years
>> old--that's how little of it I've used all this time!). I presume
>> that it is still available. If not, this link has cleaning fluid
>> and lens tissue:
>>
>> http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html
>>
>> I have tried microfibre cloth, but it smudged my lens surface.
>> Disposable lens tissue, while more expensive in the long run, did
>> not smudge.
>>
>> After you've solved your problem, consider affixing a UV or Skylight
>> filter as a lens protector. It is estimated at a good filter may
>> degrade the image by perhaps 2%. It is better to sacrifice a filter
>> than to ruin a lens, in my view.
>
> Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
> because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
> to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.
>
> Lisa

I have ROR, Residual Oil Remover, bought it from B&H. Instructions are
to moisten a lens tissue, apply to surface, remove with a clean tissue.
Works good, seems to minimize the stick-to-it of subsequent
contaminants. Says, Do Not Use With Micro Fiber Cloths.

After a good blow-off with the puffer-ball, microfiber seems to do a
good job for quick-cleans.


--
Frank ess

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Chip Gallo wrote:
> HRosita wrote:
>>> I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean
>>> it?
>>
>>
>> Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning
>> fluid. Put a few drops of fluid on the tissue and clean the lens.
>> Never put
>> fluid on the lens and don't use paper.
>> Rosita
>>
>>
> Promaster by Lenspen. Around $10 online or at camera stores. Has a
> brush on one end and some kind of dry (power) cleaner on the other.
> See:
>
> http://www.penncamera.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2308
>
> Happy Holidays!
>


"I have ROR, Residual Oil Remover, bought it from B&H. Instructions are
to moisten a lens tissue, apply to surface, remove with a clean tissue.
Works good, seems to minimize the stick-to-it of subsequent
contaminants. Says, Do Not Use With Micro Fiber Cloths.

After a good blow-off with the puffer-ball, microfiber seems to do a
good job for quick-cleans."


--
Frank ess

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"Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Lisa Horton wrote:
> >
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >
> >>>Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning
fluid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
> >>destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning
chemicals
> >>on a fine camera lens. Never.
> >>
> >>I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue (now made by Tiffen, under license). I
> >>also use Kodak lens cleaning fluid (it must be 30 years old--that's how
> >>little of it I've used all this time!). I presume that it is still
> >>available. If not, this link has cleaning fluid and lens tissue:
> >>
> >>http://www.2filter.com/prices/products/formulamc.html
> >>
> >>I have tried microfibre cloth, but it smudged my lens surface.
Disposable
> >>lens tissue, while more expensive in the long run, did not smudge.
> >>
> >>After you've solved your problem, consider affixing a UV or Skylight
filter
> >>as a lens protector. It is estimated at a good filter may degrade the
image
> >>by perhaps 2%. It is better to sacrifice a filter than to ruin a lens,
in
> >>my view.
> >
> >
> > Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
> > because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
> > to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.
> >
> > Lisa
>
> I agree that microfiber cloths are the best remedy for grease on a lens.
> A quality photoshop may give you a free sample ar will sell you a larger
> piece.
> I would dampen the lens surface first by breathing on it several times
> to facilitate removal of the grease.
> Bob Williams
>

I was not trying to "scare away" the OP from microfiber cloth. Had Ms.
Horton taken the time to read my post she would have seen that I was
recommending that the OP stay away from unknown types of eyeglass cleaning
supplies.

The fact that I found microfiber cloths did not clean as thoroughly as lens
tissue in no way indicates that I am "incapable" of using them. Her
condescending attitude was completely uncalled for. I leave it to the
individual user to determine which is superior, lens tissue or microfiber
cloths. My own experience revealed that I got better results from a
one-time use of a lens tissue.

Perhaps I should be less critical of Ms. Horton's motives, in view of the
series of personal attacks that she has recently been under, but I really
think that barbs were unjustified and were overkill. Of all the things to
argue over, lens tissue is a pretty silly subject. She and Poulsen must be
cut from the same cloth.

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Jeremy wrote:

> I was not trying to "scare away" the OP
> from microfiber cloth.

You wrote, "I have tried microfibre cloth,
but it smudged my lens surface," implying
microfiber cloth smudges lenses.

> Had Ms. Horton taken the time to read my
> post she would have seen that I was
> recommending that the OP stay away from
> unknown types of eyeglass cleaning supplies.

You wrote, "Never use eyeglass cleaning
chemicals on a fine camera lens. Never."

With an all-caps subject line, exclamation
point and single-word capper, you tried to
create a dramatic fear of all eyeglass gear,
not "unknown types," as you say now.

It's not Lisa's fault the spectacular headline
bounced back at you.

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NEVER use toilet paper...it can actually have abrasives in it! Seriously.
Kleenex tissue should be ok. Make sure it's not the kind with lotion.

Bill Crocker


"Lars Bonnesen" <noone@none.invalid> wrote in message
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>I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?
>
> I once had a kind of "lens tissue", but in absence of this, what is best
> to use? Soft cloth, toilet paper, newspaper, ordinary paper, or...?
>
> Regards, Lars.
>

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"Lars Bonnesen" <noone@none.invalid> wrote in message
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>I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?


I use Kodak lens cleaning tissue and "R.O.R" (residual oil remover) lens
cleaning fluid at home for serious clean-ups. I also carry a microfiber
cleaning cloth in each of my camera bags. I keep them sealed up in small
ziplock plastic bags to keep them from becoming contaminated with whatever
dirt and dust might find its way into my bags.

Good shooting,
Bob Scott

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Bill Crocker wrote:

> Kleenex tissue should be ok.

Terrible advice. Kleenex tissue is
probably the most linty paper product
you can find. They also contain abrasives,
just like paper towels or cardboard.

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"Don Lathrop" <dl682@concrete.not> wrote in message
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> Jeremy wrote:
>
> > I was not trying to "scare away" the OP
> > from microfiber cloth.
>
> You wrote, "I have tried microfibre cloth,
> but it smudged my lens surface," implying
> microfiber cloth smudges lenses.
>
> > Had Ms. Horton taken the time to read my
> > post she would have seen that I was
> > recommending that the OP stay away from
> > unknown types of eyeglass cleaning supplies.
>
> You wrote, "Never use eyeglass cleaning
> chemicals on a fine camera lens. Never."
>
> With an all-caps subject line, exclamation
> point and single-word capper, you tried to
> create a dramatic fear of all eyeglass gear,
> not "unknown types," as you say now.
>
> It's not Lisa's fault the spectacular headline
> bounced back at you.
>
>

I tried to "create a dramatic fear . . .?"
Are you kidding?

All I said was that eyeglass cleaner was not a recommended way to clean
optical lenses. My Pentax lens manual says as much.

And the fact is that I have had better results with tissue than with
microfiber cloth.

Horton just wanted to beat on someone. Give it a rest already.

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Jeremy wrote:

> .... Of all the things to
> argue over, lens tissue is a pretty silly subject.

Yet you persist.

> She and Poulsen must be cut from the same cloth.

And make gratuitous comparisons.

--
John McWilliams

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"Jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > Go to a place that sells glasses and get a lens tissue and cleaning
fluid.
> >
> >
> Eyeglass cleaning cloths or tissue may contain silicone and may be
> destructive to optical lens coatings. Never use eyeglass cleaning
chemicals
> on a fine camera lens. Never.

Heck, I once had eyeglass cleaning fluid ruin my eyeglasses!

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Jeremy wrote:

> All I said was that eyeglass cleaner was not
> a recommended way to clean optical lenses.

No, you said:

"BAD ADVICE!
Never use eyeglass cleaning chemicals
on a fine camera lens. Never."

Pretty dramatic.

> Give it a rest already.

Gladly. You start, Shakespeare.

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Chip Gallo wrote:


> Promaster by Lenspen. Around $10 online or at camera stores. Has a brush
> on one end and some kind of dry (power) cleaner on the other. See:
>
> http://www.penncamera.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2308
>

Yes.. Lenspen's are great for removing finger smudges.. I wouldn't
be without one in my kit.

Nikon and Kodak sell lens pens as well.. (They're probably all the same :)

The Nikon one is $6.50 at Adorama

http://www.adorama.com/NKLP.html

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Jeremy wrote:
>
> "Don Lathrop" <dl682@concrete.not> wrote in message
> news:ueOdnU461qAvHk3cRVn-sA@comcast.com...
> > Jeremy wrote:
> >
> > > I was not trying to "scare away" the OP
> > > from microfiber cloth.
> >
> > You wrote, "I have tried microfibre cloth,
> > but it smudged my lens surface," implying
> > microfiber cloth smudges lenses.
> >
> > > Had Ms. Horton taken the time to read my
> > > post she would have seen that I was
> > > recommending that the OP stay away from
> > > unknown types of eyeglass cleaning supplies.
> >
> > You wrote, "Never use eyeglass cleaning
> > chemicals on a fine camera lens. Never."
> >
> > With an all-caps subject line, exclamation
> > point and single-word capper, you tried to
> > create a dramatic fear of all eyeglass gear,
> > not "unknown types," as you say now.
> >
> > It's not Lisa's fault the spectacular headline
> > bounced back at you.
> >
> >
>
> I tried to "create a dramatic fear . . .?"
> Are you kidding?
>
> All I said was that eyeglass cleaner was not a recommended way to clean
> optical lenses. My Pentax lens manual says as much.
>
> And the fact is that I have had better results with tissue than with
> microfiber cloth.
>
> Horton just wanted to beat on someone. Give it a rest already.

Not someone Jeremy. You. Because you set yourself up for it, and
because your message, intentionally or not, implied that microfiber
cloths were to be avoided, which is simply bad advice. So I guess your
ALL CAPS SUBJECT LINE was appropriate after all.

I thought I was in your killfile so you wouldn't be bothered by
conflicting opinions?

Lisa

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Jim Townsend wrote:
> Chip Gallo wrote:
>
>
>
>>Promaster by Lenspen. Around $10 online or at camera stores. Has a brush
>>on one end and some kind of dry (power) cleaner on the other. See:
>>
>>http://www.penncamera.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2308
>>
>
>
> Yes.. Lenspen's are great for removing finger smudges.. I wouldn't
> be without one in my kit.
>
> Nikon and Kodak sell lens pens as well.. (They're probably all the same :)
>
> The Nikon one is $6.50 at Adorama
>
> http://www.adorama.com/NKLP.html
>
>
But does a Nikon lenspen require an adapter to work on Canon lenses?

Kidding. It looks like the same thing, only a few bucks cheaper. Thanks,
Jim and Happy New Year!

Chip Gallo

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:08:44 +0100, "Lars Bonnesen"
<noone@none.invalid> wrote:

>I got some fingerprints on my lens. What is the best way to clean it?

Optex LensPen... handsdown the best I've ever used! See:

http://www.gentec-intl.com/Default [...] rod_id=LP1

Regards.

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"Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
>> because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
>> to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.
>>
>> Lisa
>
> I agree that microfiber cloths are the best remedy for grease on a lens.

Some of you talk about microfiber cloths. Are this the same cloths that are
being used in say a kitchen to wipe tables, windows and floors with?

Regards, Lars.

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I think those are the ones from the commercials (magically clean
everything). I don't think these would be suitable for lens cleaning
though, it feels a bit rubberish, and might make the lens look even
dirtier and harder to clean. I haven't tried it, just guessing here.

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In article <41d13de8$0$184$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk>, noone@none.invalid
says...
>
> "Bob Williams" <mytbobnospam@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:41D065D3.50001@cox.net...
> >> Microfiber cloths are the ultimate in lens cleaning "tissue". Just
> >> because you're incapable of using a simple tool like that is no reason
> >> to scare others away from the superior lens cleaning tool.
> >>
> >> Lisa
> >
> > I agree that microfiber cloths are the best remedy for grease on a lens.
>
> Some of you talk about microfiber cloths. Are this the same cloths that are
> being used in say a kitchen to wipe tables, windows and floors with?
>
> Regards, Lars.
>
>
>

No the "microfiber" cloths are similar (or sometimes the same) to/as the
cloth sold at optical shops for cleaning eyeglass lenses that have "anti
scratch" and "anti-reflective" coatings. These coatings are applied to
lenses usually made of plastic, and need special treatment (cant be cleaned
with "tissue-paper" ).

Since these cloths are ultra soft when clean, they are safe for camera
lenses, and they dont leave any lint.

The cloths are NOT cheap, but they last a LONG time if regularly cleaned by
rinsing, wringing out, and drying. (I use distilled water, as my tap water
has a high mineral content which could leave a residue when it dries out).

In the US, the Sears Optical department is a good source for high quality
lens cleaning cloths such as Im talking about.


--
Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.

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"Robert Scott" <desmobob@earthlink.net> wrote in
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> I also carry a microfiber
> cleaning cloth in each of my camera bags. I keep them sealed up in
> small ziplock plastic bags to keep them from becoming contaminated
> with whatever dirt and dust might find its way into my bags.
>

I use an old, clear, 35mm film canister. Just the right size.

I have noticed though, that while the microfiber does a great job
cleaning the lens, it isn't so great for the filter. My B+W multicoated
filter will end up with swirls when I try to clean fingerprints from it
with the cloth.

I find the best way to clean both the filter and my multicoated
eyeglasses is with hot water and dish detergent. If the water is hot
enough, and not too hard, it will usually just run off the clean glass
and not require any wiping at all.

Bob

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