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August 11, 2010 2:51:00 AM

Hello I'm 16 and I'd like help with my first computer build wish me luck.

My goal is to play Starcraft 2 on all ultra (If possible :D  )


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: In 2-3 weeks when I get my paycheck

BUDGET RANGE: 1000$ with a couple more hundred next paycheck

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Starcraft 2, other gaming, internet surfing, and HD movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: (keyboard, mouse, speakers)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg.com or Ncix.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:
Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type: Go with AMD or Intel i5?

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: CrossFire, second video card in 1 more paycheck IF WORTH IT

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024 14 inch samsung Syncmaster 920Nx. PLEASE RECOMMEND A GOOD 20"+ MONITOR!!



Thats what I've picked so far, Open to ALL Discussion and tips

My Questions to You GENIUSES!
1. Intel or AMD??
2. Which ram should I go with? 1600 or 1333 and 2x2 Gb or 1 4gb and whats the best latency?
3. Better suggestions for my MOBO and Case please. Nothing wrong with a case but I don't mind spending a bit more for a sick looking case.
Sick like HUF 922 but that's "Overkill"
4. I will have 500-600 left over for either 2 GPUS and a NICE monitor or 1 GPU and still a nice monitor! (Suggestions would be helpful)
5. Anyone know a way to get windows 7 for decently cheap?

Anything else missing or Extras for better performance/Cooling please point out and I have some money to upgrade any of those shown in the picture.

More about : 1000 gaming computer

August 11, 2010 4:40:06 AM

*Bump*
Been researching all day because I'm sick :cry: 
and I have decided with AMD



Here is my new build please look and reply!

Thoughts
I have picked the OCZ ram because it's the only one with a description that says for AMD (and comes with a free flash drive). Every corsair and G.Skill says for I5, I7

For GPU I picked the 5770 sapphire, planning to get another 5770 and crossfire. Suggestions for GPU are still open.

Suggestions for MOBO are still open as well

The total comes to: $1,026.87 before rebates and I still have to get a monitor :pt1cable: 
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August 11, 2010 5:12:07 AM

^ That is a nice build, but
1. Going Crossfire with that board is not advisable as the 2nd slot runs crippled at x4
2. PSU - Atleast 600W if you want to go Crossfire
3. If SC2 is the main game that you will play, then a single card would suffice...
4. RAM - Nearly all the DDR3 RAM would work on the AM3

And mainly if you will be overclocking and gaming will mainly be the priority, then you can save good money going with X3 440...It is as good for gaming and also you can get a better card - GTX 460 (This performs as good as the HD 5850 in SC2)...
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August 11, 2010 5:25:49 AM

gkay09 said:
^ That is a nice build, but
1. Going Crossfire with that board is not advisable as the 2nd slot runs crippled at x4
2. PSU - Atleast 600W if you want to go Crossfire
3. If SC2 is the main game that you will play, then a single card would suffice...
4. RAM - Nearly all the DDR3 RAM would work on the AM3

And mainly if you will be overclocking and gaming will mainly be the priority, then you can save good money going with X3 440...It is as good for gaming and also you can get a better card - GTX 460 (This performs as good as the HD 5850 in SC2)...


Thanks for the reply ^^
So no point in crossfiring? should rather get a 5850 or GTX 460 for GPU?
If I change to GTX 460 can I keep my PSU the same?
Ram - is G.Skill better enough that I should switch my OCZ (And get rid of the free 4gb that I don't really care about)

Thanks I will change my CPU but for 20$ more there is a AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core
is the extra core worth it?
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August 11, 2010 5:43:52 AM

CPU + Mobo
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...
Or if you want a quad, (but you an try your luck with the Core unlocking though with the X3)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

RAM -
ADATA - This has very good user reviews and cheap...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GTX 460 1GB
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU - Yes the one that you have will easily power even HD 5870...

CASE - Maybe this ? Seems to have good features and stock 3 fans...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

As for the SC2 performance, check this article -
http://www.guru3d.com/article/starcraft-ii-wings-of-lib...
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August 12, 2010 1:35:41 AM

gkay09 said:
CPU + Mobo
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...
Or if you want a quad, (but you an try your luck with the Core unlocking though with the X3)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

RAM -
ADATA - This has very good user reviews and cheap...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GTX 460 1GB
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

PSU - Yes the one that you have will easily power even HD 5870...

CASE - Maybe this ? Seems to have good features and stock 3 fans...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

As for the SC2 performance, check this article -
http://www.guru3d.com/article/starcraft-ii-wings-of-lib...


Thanks I'm following everything you say.



This is my current build, view in the largest size you can go to please

Changed the GPU and RAM, and case to the Antec Illusion.

My final thoughts about this build are.. Do I go with the Quad Core or Tri Core? You said unlock the extra core? does that mean the quad is essentially a tri until unlocked to its full extent? I also read that Nvdia and AMD arent the best combo. why?

This comp will be mainly for SC2 Now, but I'm a student and an Asian student at that! :D  I will be using this computer every day for internet surfing, many pages opened up, different programs being used so its not just a Gaming PC it'll be my baby :sol: 
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August 12, 2010 2:29:57 AM

kolkim said:
Thanks I'm following everything you say.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ston3rpimp69/4884081498/sizes/l/in/photostream/

This is my current build, view in the largest size you can go to please

Changed the GPU and RAM, and case to the Antec Illusion.

My final thoughts about this build are.. Do I go with the Quad Core or Tri Core? You said unlock the extra core? does that mean the quad is essentially a tri until unlocked to its full extent? I also read that Nvdia and AMD arent the best combo. why?

This comp will be mainly for SC2 Now, but I'm a student and an Asian student at that! :D  I will be using this computer every day for internet surfing, many pages opened up, different programs being used so its not just a Gaming PC it'll be my baby :sol: 

Well, to make it simple go with a quad, unlocking a fourth core can make your CPU unstable ;) 
I would go with some G.Skill ram because they are a very trusted brand with great memory, get 4gb of 1600/1333 if you are overclocking the ram go with ripjaws, if not go with eco ram :) 
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August 12, 2010 2:37:54 AM

So does that mean he was talking about unlocking a core in the Triple? I was thinking the opposite :p  Ripjaqs it is cause Ram are the Quadriceps of a Comp and I want him to run like a Kenyan! :D 

Last question of the day, is again I've read elsewhere that having SLI in a AMD CPU isn't good? is that right?
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August 12, 2010 2:41:33 AM

kolkim said:
Do I go with the Quad Core or Tri Core? You said unlock the extra core? does that mean the quad is essentially a tri until unlocked to its full extent? I also read that Nvdia and AMD arent the best combo. why?


If you can afford a quad-core, get it. If you can't, get a triple-core and you can attempt to unlock the 4th core.

As part of the production process, batches of chips are sampled. If not enough of them pass the tests for quad-cores, they get reassigned as something else, by "locking" one or two of the cores. Depending on the specific physical chip you get, you may end up with one that could be a quad-core, as it may not have the same defects as the ones in the sampling process. But it's a gamble, there's no sense in buying a triple-core to unlock if you can afford a quad-core.

It's a lot like overclocking, only different.

AMD & nVidia aren't usually recommended because very few AMD motherboards are built to be SLI-capable, even if they have multiple PCI-E 16x slots. There are specific nVidia boards that do SLI, but they're generally considered to be of dubious quality compared to the standard AMD boards that just do CrossFire.
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August 12, 2010 2:41:49 AM

kolkim said:
So does that mean he was talking about unlocking a core in the Triple? I was thinking the opposite :p  Ripjaqs it is cause Ram are the Quadriceps of a Comp and I want him to run like a Kenyan! :D 

Last question of the day, is again I've read elsewhere that having SLI in a AMD CPU isn't good? is that right?

lets just say its better to have an NVIDIA/INTEL then an NVIDIA/AMD
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August 12, 2010 2:42:10 AM

I don't think SC2 makes use of 4 cores, as most games don't, so if you wanted to save a little money on the CPU, you could opt for a Phenom X2. But that's only if you don't think you'll use the PC with multiple heavy programs open.

Also, don't go with the OSZ; I haven't heard too many good things about their RAM.
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August 12, 2010 2:53:41 AM

I'll go with the quad core because I do alot of non gaming computer stuff. Will my motherboard suit my graphics card?

SUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

with a GPU: Preclocked GTX 460
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

(Was thinking of getting a non clocked and clock it mysefl (for the first time, don't even know how) but this one had 1GB not 760mb and looked like a solid choice)
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August 12, 2010 3:00:21 AM

K now I'm confused with my OS. On Newegg I can get Windows 7 for 100$. cheaper so good, but on this other guys topic I read his 'Students discount' and it says 29.99$
http://www.microsoft.com/student/en/us/software/windows...
I'm a student! I could also prolly find a XP at my work (or workmates)
but it says Professional, is that 64 bit?
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August 12, 2010 3:03:52 AM

Nvm bout that, you have to be in a college, AND in the states. Sorry I play hockey microsoft >.>
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August 12, 2010 3:05:16 AM

haha, just get windows 7 OEM 64-bit ;) 
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August 12, 2010 3:06:59 AM

The 460 will be fine with that motherboard. The M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 isn't suitable for CrossFire anyway, so you can go with whichever GPU you want.

You definitely want the 1 GB 460 over the 768 MB one.

I would google for Windows student pricing, I haven't had to look myself. But there has been a deal running where students (as long as you have a valid .edu address, I believe) can get Windows 7 for $30. That's an upgrade edition, so while I believe that you can install Windows with that disc, there are some tricks to it.

Windows 7 Professional can be either 32-bit or 64-bit. I imagine that you specify when you purchase it which one you want. Alternatively, the media could come with both 32-bit and 64-bit. Again, since I haven't bought that myself, I can't say for certain.

EDIT: Unfortunate that you can't get it, I'm surprised there isn't an offer for Canadians too.
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August 12, 2010 3:13:40 AM

Ight thank you.
Nother RAM questions (Yes I know I bore u.. but I came here for a reason :D )
2 types of Ripjaws im deciding, price difference of 4$
cheaper version is the
4gb (2x2) 1333 with timings of 7-7-7-21

On the 'Specs' it also says "Compatible with Dual Channel Intel Core i5 CPU for P55 chipset motherboard, Dual Channel Core i7 CPU for P55 chipset motherboard, and AMD AM3 Platform."

while the more expensive version is the
4gb (2v2) 1600 with timings of 7-8-7-24-2n (-2n???)

On the Specs it only says "Specifically Designed to compatible with Intel Core i5 and Core i7 for Intel P55 motherboard"


Which ones the awesome one?
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August 12, 2010 3:20:43 AM

At $4 more, I'd go with the 1600 MHz RAM. It will allow for some overclocking headroom. If it were $15-20 more, I wouldn't bother.

The text about i7 & i5 is just marketing-speak for "runs at 1.65V or less".
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August 12, 2010 4:10:55 AM

Frankly speaking, I doubt you would notice much difference between the RAM say running at CAS 7 and CAS 9 for day-to-day usage...Also only when you are overclocking high, they would matter as then you could loosen the timings to achieve higher speeds...Else I would save money and go with a cheaper and good ones...

And no issues going with Nvidia card and AMD CPUs if you will be sticking with a single card...And if count in Mail-In-Rebates, have some cash to spend and will be looking at 1080p or higher monitors, then you can consider the GTX 470...Would last longer(in terms of performance) and also for a single card, the heat and the noise issue wont matter with this one...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
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August 12, 2010 4:20:20 AM

Yeah, you're unlikely to notice the difference in day-to-day usage, but at $4...and since the OP indicated overclocking was in the future, it's worth it, I'd say.
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August 12, 2010 4:26:53 AM

^ I wasn't referring to the above 2 sets for what you had commented, but the ADATA and the RipJaws, whose price difference comes to about ~$15 or so...
If he were to buy the Ripjaws, then even I would suggest the one that you had given...
If CAS 7, the this would be good and is cheaper...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
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August 12, 2010 4:29:42 AM

You guys make it so understandable thanks :) 
No extra cash to upgrade GPU right now. I'm almost fine with the 460 for now, If I need to upgrade I'll do it in the future (A couple years hopefully I'll have money and kash). Would respond quicker but this family friend's kid just came over (DUDE HE HAS 1 ARM :o O ACTUALLY) and I gotta game GTA4 with him... ;(
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August 12, 2010 5:35:55 AM



Thats what my final builds coming to look like.

Antec 300 Illusion Case (Antec with more fans and sicker look for 5$ Cheaper?? :o )
AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus CPU AM3 Quad-Core
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO AM3 AMD SATA MOBO
GeForce GTX 460 for Graphics (1GB Version and Pre OC'd :sol: )
Got the G.Skill Ram 1600 to OC,
Samsung Spinpoint F3 (Love that, cheap and highest quality with the name of a SICK CAR!)
OCZ Fatal1ty 550W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready PSU

Total comes to - $997.86 Before 20$ Rebate Woot 20$ :na: 

This the Sickest 1000$ build of 2010 or WHAT!

If not please tell me what I could do to make it better ^.^ ;) 

For 1000$ this Better play starcraft 2 on ULTRA! :pt1cable:  :pt1cable: 

But before I order I do have a couple questions :( 
1. Everyone seems to go for the 955 Athlon, is it worth the extra 45$? I don't see quite a difference but its popular
2. do I need the static wrist guards and heatsink cream?
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August 12, 2010 5:49:28 AM

^ Well the CASE had addional $10 for shipping, so I think that compensates...
You can take a look at this case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
But if you like the Antec, stick with it...
Also check the prices for the above even @ ncix.com, you might be able to save some money...
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August 12, 2010 9:06:46 AM

Thanks Gkay, I liked both your cases but I looked at every case and antec had fine written on it :sol: 
Chea I will do that before next week, any other website worth checking? Amazon?
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August 12, 2010 9:23:50 AM

canadian websites - memoryexpress, canadacomputer, tigerdirect.ca...
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August 14, 2010 4:38:34 AM

wow checked most items on every store. Nowhere has as good prices as Newegg!
Hey do I need Static Wrist Guards and Heatsink paste?
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August 14, 2010 5:19:17 AM

I've been looking at alot more combos today and found this nice one
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?It...
The problem is I'd rather have my Samsung F3 and Lat 7 Ripjaw Ram.
Questions are is that MOBO Better? its 20$ cheaper, its Gigabyte and better reviews
Compare the 2- Gigabyte: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
ASUS: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Then the CPU, Everyone loves the 955! If I get the cheaper MOBO I think I'll get the 955 from the 640. it's really popular and I'm a sheep baaa
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August 14, 2010 6:05:09 AM

Best answer selected by kolkim.
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March 18, 2012 7:49:52 PM

I always found newegg.ca to be slower than Canadacomputer, bestdirect ncix.
-Bruce
try shopbot.ca
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