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5770 vs 5830 /manufacture questions

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July 6, 2010 9:09:27 PM

Hello world,

I have not kept up with computer hardware very much over the past 5 years and i could use some assistance. I am finally getting around to upgrading my machine again. I have boiled down my video card choice to a 5770 or a 5830. I am leaning towards the 5830 since the price seems to have dropped closer to $200. I can't crossfire or SLI atm due to my motherboard but it is something that i might be interested in doing in the future once i upgrade my CPU and motherboard. Any comments or advice?

The second part of my question has to deal with brands, Sapphire seems to be cheaper than XFX, HIS, ASUS etc.. does their quality tend to be less than other brands? I read a number of reviews on newegg about the 5830 from sapphire having a large number of dead cards. Does the extra $20-$40 tend to be worth it?

thank you for your advice and time,

Calidus
a b U Graphics card
July 6, 2010 9:48:32 PM

Don't spend more than 220.00 on a 5830 unless you are going all out with the Asus DirectCU model. The 5830 is known for being one of the worst GPU's price-performance-wise.
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July 7, 2010 12:35:15 AM

I agree...Sapphire is a great brand.
Or....since you can't sli / crossfire, how about a 5850? I only say that because someday you'll get the upgrade bug, and it'll be more future proof. You'll spend about $60-90 more than a 5830, and the 5850 is, perhaps, the best performance per price card on the planet at the moment.

Oh, and if you ever do get a motherboard that'll crossfire, a 5850 in crossfire is an absolute beast.
July 7, 2010 1:42:34 AM

rmmil978 you do bring up an excellent point. I think i am going to take a second look at 5850
July 7, 2010 1:59:20 AM

Since i guess i know even less than i thought i did here are my spec throw advice/ideas my away please and ty.
Quote:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: as soon as possible

PRICE RANGE: ~$200 possibly up to 300

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming(SC2,HoN,COD, L4D2), software programing

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: 8500gt 512mb, 350 watt psu(upgrading PSU at the same time)

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: AMD athlon 5600+, 4gb of ram, windows 7 64bit professional, PCE 2.0 x16

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: none you tell me what is best

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

Maybe SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe at a later point in time

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1440x900

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: upgrading GPU and power suppy


(this is what happens when you get information overload from the toms hardware charts)
a c 1406 U Graphics card
July 7, 2010 2:58:25 AM

With that CPU you will have a slight bottleneck even with a HD5830.
July 7, 2010 3:21:23 AM

The 5770 is not a bad card. At least for 1280x1024, basically every single game you can play max resolution with 8xAA. At 1440x900, it should still be pretty close.

As the 5830 drops in price, so does 5770. I got one for $130, and you can easily find one for $150 or so, maybe less with rebates.

Sapphire is not a bad brand...but Newegg reviews usually will help you decide. Plus, every brand has flaws sometimes.

The 5770 crossfire (in the future) is a really powerful solution. It usually is between 5850 and 5870, and sometimes beats the 5870. Scaling on X-Fire seems to be a lot better in the 5000s then the older series.
July 8, 2010 4:44:33 PM

After doing some more research and price evaluation i decided to go with a Asus 5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363

and get a 600 watt OCZ psu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017

my current mother board is an Asus M2N68-LA. Here is a link to the spec on it. I looked at them and i think everything should work fine but if some could make sure i did not make a rookie mistake that would be great.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00906129&lc=en&cc=de&dlc=&product=3397528

my goal is to have built a completely new machine over the next 3-4 months.

thanks for all your help
Anonymous
July 8, 2010 8:01:27 PM

5770 is wise choice for your screen resolution!
July 8, 2010 10:14:35 PM

I would like get a second 19in wide screen.
a c 1406 U Graphics card
July 8, 2010 11:18:17 PM

That combo is great high quality PSU that one from XFX. No question that is a must buy over the other one.
July 13, 2010 11:27:06 PM

I need your guys help again. I recieved my PSU and GPU(the combo i linked in this thread) today and installed everything but i am not getting any output from the GPU. I made sure to remove the drivers from my old 8500gt and i used a driver sweeper. Everything is getting power from the new PSU, i have double and triple checked that. The only thing i can think of is that maybe when i removed my 8500 the machine is now trying to send out though the on board gpu? I don't have teh cables to test this because the on board gpu is all avg. Should i run and buy a adpater to see if that is the problem or is something else more likely?
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 12:10:49 AM

Remove the CMOS battery or hit the CMOS button if your board has one and try again.
July 14, 2010 1:43:13 AM

ty for the reply, i managed to get the system up and running but i am having a problem installing the drivers. I downloaded them from http://driver.xfxsupport.com/public/driver/10-6_vista64_win7_64_dd_ccc_enu.exe.

the program randomly just exits when i get to a screen that looks like this : http://img571.imageshack.us/i/atidriver.png/. I try clicking on install and the window close and their is no message and their is no process or application running in the taskmgr.

I am running windows 7 64 bit any help would be much appreciated.
July 14, 2010 1:45:38 AM

One more thing i have gone into the device manager and it does not see the 5770, so i assume that mean that the drivers never installed.
July 14, 2010 2:45:38 AM

I have the driver sweeper a dozen time it is has still not remove a few of the files/drivers from nvidia.

I am also still unable to install the ati drivers
July 14, 2010 5:48:16 AM

I am been look into disabling the driver signature enforcement but it has not helped. After 7 hours of this i am going to bed thank you for your help it is much appreciated.
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 2:33:19 PM

The reason you are getting that message is because you did not remove the drivers from the control panel using the Catalyst Install Manager. When you are going to remove a driver you first go into the control panel and remove it from there, once the driver has been removed you need to run driver sweeper and get rid of any leftover files, reboot and run driver sweeper again till all the files have been removed. Then you can proceed to install the new driver.
July 14, 2010 4:22:06 PM

You where correct ovrclkr, i forgot to go to the control panel and install the drivers after i did that and a drive sweep all the file where removed but the driver still does not install. (hopefully 2nd and 3rd times i do this will be less pain full for the both of us)
July 14, 2010 4:42:37 PM

i need to fix my wheres with weres. sigh
July 14, 2010 4:58:25 PM

Another forum suggested i try to do a clean install of windows 7? what is your guys thought on that?
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 5:15:07 PM

no need to re-install windows, just make sure you remove the drivers through the control panel, if this does not work then run the Install Manager again and click on "repair", then go ahead an follow the steps I posted above.
July 14, 2010 6:02:47 PM

I have followed you instruction to the best of my ablities. Here is what is did:

1. I uninstalled the drivers from the control panel:http://img155.imageshack.us/i/programlist.png/

2. I then ran the drive sweeper and everything from nvidia was removed: http://img155.imageshack.us/i/driversweeper.png/

3. restarted

4. So now i run the installer i download from the link posted above: these are all the forms that appear.

5. http://img684.imageshack.us/i/ati1.png/

6. http://img192.imageshack.us/i/ati2.png/

7. http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ati3.png/

8. http://img689.imageshack.us/i/ati4.png/

9. At this point no matter which icon i click the program crashes with giving any messages.

a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 6:09:44 PM

did you check the ATI drivers "box" as well when you ran driver-sweeper?
July 14, 2010 6:32:55 PM

yep, nothing their either
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 6:46:43 PM

The only thing that comes to my mind is doing a "system restore" to the point before you started messing with the drivers. I had a similar issue a year ago and system restore fixed my problem.

July 14, 2010 6:58:21 PM

if i do a system restore should i put my old car back in before i do it?
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 7:02:18 PM

do the system restore with the current card, when its time to re-boot and you see the windows splash screen click on "shut off" then install the old card and boot
July 14, 2010 8:44:02 PM

I finally got a successful restore. I have the old 8500 in the machine and everything is running. So before i screw up my machine again i am going to write out the steps i am going to take.

1. device manager uninstall the card
2. control panel to remove the drivers
3. drive sweeper
4. restart
5. run drive sweeper a 2nd time
6. shutdown
7. install new card
8. boot machine
9. download drivers
10. install drivers
11. profit??
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 8:54:53 PM

calidus said:
I finally got a successful restore. I have the old 8500 in the machine and everything is running. So before i screw up my machine again i am going to write out the steps i am going to take.

1. device manager uninstall the card
2. control panel to remove the drivers
3. drive sweeper
4. restart
5. run drive sweeper a 2nd time
6. shutdown
7. install new card
8. boot machine
9. download drivers
10. install drivers
11. profit??


Perfect!
July 15, 2010 12:10:51 AM

SO I DID IT! but i had to reinstall windows 7, when i tryed to restore points it did not help(i went back to last week and even a month ago). I was on teh vurge of throwing my pc out the window lol. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU HELP!!!!!! :bounce: 
a b U Graphics card
July 15, 2010 12:30:51 AM

yea well you fixed it yourself if you re-installed windows =)
July 15, 2010 1:30:15 AM

yep i got windows 7 disk out from under by bed. How had the over and under on the post count. I figured i would get adict by the time i finished lol
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