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Was going Cyberpower/AVADirect Now building myself, need help

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August 14, 2010 3:47:56 PM

Hey, I was originally going to buy a build from Cyberpower or AVAdirect, but after reading I think I'd like to do it myself, and the price isn't that much different. I'm a first time builder and would really appreciate any help or advice anyone has. Here's what I'm thinking:

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: ASAP

BUDGET RANGE: $1500ish

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, monitor, speakers, mouse

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: Don't know enough to know, but good quality parts.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Looking to build a super-fast gaming PC.

Mobo - Asus P7P55D-E Pro - $160 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - i5-760 - $210 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case (Open to other suggestions) - HAF 922 - $90 - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e168...

Cooling - 80 - Corsair H50 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM (Open to other suggestions)- A-data - 95- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Corsair 850W - 130 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - EVGA 1GB GTX 460 x 2 (SLI) - 480 - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e168...

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB - $60 - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e168...

ODD - Lite-ON 24x DVD-DL burner $20 - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e168...

Total Coast - $1325 w/o shipping costs.

I'm open to any and all suggestions or to just tell me it's awful and what to change :) 

Thanks in advance!
August 14, 2010 4:50:23 PM

Good job deciding to build it yourself, you won't regret it.

According to this review: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/Cors... The H50 performs the same as the much cheaper Corsair A50. So you can get the same performance for much cheaper, or better performance by buying either of these:
Prolimatech Megahalems $62 ($3 shipping) with Scythe S-Flex 1600RPM $20.
Scythe Yasya $55 ($7 shipping).
Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B $40.

This is the RAM to get: G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO $103

You will not need an 850W PSU for the system you're planning to build. If you aren't OCing you GPUs then a 650W PSU will be plenty (Antec Truepower New TP650 80Plus Bronze Modular, XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W 80Plus Bronze Modular, XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W Grey Fan). If you will be OCing your GPUs then even a 750W PSU will be enough (XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W 80Plus Silver Modular, Antec Truepower New TP750W 80Plus Bronze Modular, Antec Truepower New Blue TP750) If you're absolutely convinced you need an 850W PSU, then I suggest this instead: Seasonic S12D 850W 80Plus Silver $120 ($6 shipping), as it has higher efficiency.
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August 14, 2010 6:06:38 PM

Thanks Silvune that's really helpful. Any changes you would make?
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August 14, 2010 6:08:26 PM

And are the EVGA superclocked worth the extra price or is there a better GPU brand i should go with?
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August 14, 2010 7:06:43 PM

So this is what I have awkwardly sitting in my newegg cart, waiting to bite the bullet

Everything is the same as above, but with the following changes:
The G.SKILL ECO Series RAM instead of A-Gaming.
The Scythe Mugen 2 Rev B cooler instead of the Corsair H50
The Antect Trupower TP750W and the Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (Combo Deal) instead of the 850W Corsair and HAF 922 Case.

Total cost comes out to be 1292.85

My only hesitation is on the 2 GPU's. I'm not sure if the EVGA superclocked is worth the price, or if there is a better option.

I'm planning on buying this today, so any further help from anyone would be wonderful.

Thanks!
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August 14, 2010 7:29:50 PM

Ugh. I know I'm having a conversation with myself here, but another question: is the i7-930 worth the upgrade price and would that mean I'd have to change everything around? ie. motherboard/PSU
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August 14, 2010 8:20:12 PM

Well it's only $20 more in total compared to other 460 1GBs. There will be improvements in gaming performance over non-OCed editions, but chances are you could overclock stock cards to the same level as the OCed version. The SC doesnt appear to have any or significant heat, noise or power penalties over stock cards so I think it's worth it.

Here are two good articles I've found comparing various 460s:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/1

These are the three editions I would consider:
EVGA 01G-P3-1370-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $230 ($2 shipping)
GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $230
ASUS ENGTX460 DirectCU/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 $230 ($2 shipping)

No the i7-930 is not worth it for gaming. For gaming the only advantage the platform has is the possibility of running three graphics cards. And that is pretty much it.
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August 14, 2010 8:38:17 PM

Thanks again Silvune, the only reason I was considering the i7-930 and the x58 board was because of upgradability as per this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/292642-31-rate-build

Also, somebody_007 talks about it getting full performance out of dual GPU setups like mine because of the x16/x16 PCI lanes.

I priced the upgraded build with the i7 and the x58 board at only about 100 dollars more once I change some other things around.

What do you think?
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August 14, 2010 10:12:44 PM

It's a good build, if you're prepared to spend more and if you think the 'extra' upgradeability you get is worth it.

However, I don't think it's worth it, as 'full performance' dual x16 is only 4% greater than x8/x8, this is according to a review on here based on two 5870s. As 460s are slower than 5870s there is going to be even less of a performance hit.

He's wrong about triple channel memory being faster. Certainly on the x58 platform; 4GB vs 6GB, there is very little performance difference. http://www.overclock.net/intel-memory/681697-truth-abou...

Upgradeability probably is a plus side for X58, but I don't think gamers would need to use the extra upgrade options (over P55/AM3) apart from the extra PCI-E lanes. But again I'm skeptical of how useful this will be. Surely by the time dual x8 is a significant bottleneck PCI-E 3.0 will be available on motherboards, if not mainstream, and it will be the actual speed of PCI-E 2.0 that is the problem.

I won't go for the WD Caviar Blue, as I don't know how many platters it uses, (the Samsung uses two, the lower the better) and it will be slower and noisier than the Samsung.

The i7-930 is about 40 watts more power hungry than an i5-750/60. When I work out the power consumption for systems I, and test review sites, always use something power hungry for the CPU, like an i7-930 and moreso with reviews sites, an OCed i7-930. So yes a 750W PSU will be fine for your system. If you checked the Anandtech review it showed SLI power consumption being ~500 watts, and the test system they use has an OCed CPU in.
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August 14, 2010 10:16:27 PM

Thanks Silvune! You are helpful as always. I found the i7-930 on microcenter for 200, which is cheaper than the i5 on newegg! So I think I'm going to go for that if only for that reason. I'll stick with the 750w PSU then and change up the HDD.
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August 15, 2010 1:56:12 AM

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