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August 15, 2010 3:49:24 AM

Hey, let me know if these setups will work and what's better:

1) this..

CPU+GPU: rana 445 + hd5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OS+MOBO: win7 + MSI 880GM-E43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU+HDD: OCZ fatal1ty 550w + samsung f3 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM: G.SKILL 4gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE: Cooler master elite 335
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ODD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OR...

2) this?

CPU: Rana 445

OS+MOBO: win7 + MSI 880GM-E43
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU+GPU: OCZ 600w+gtx460 768mb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM: G.SKILL 4gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD+CASE: seagate barracuda 500gb + NZXT Gamma
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ODD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OKAY! What do you think, guys???
And i need to buy a monitor too... budget's around 800 w/ monitor AR.

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a b C Monitor
August 15, 2010 3:52:46 AM

2, Faster GPU, better PSU
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August 15, 2010 5:00:43 AM

2nd but with samsung spinpoint f3 and gtx 460 1gb
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a b C Monitor
August 15, 2010 5:31:02 AM

You have to manually set RAM settings in BIOS
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August 15, 2010 5:33:55 AM
August 15, 2010 6:05:55 AM

raam g-skill 4gb 1600mhz cl7...

cpu rana 440

mobo ga 880-gma-udh2
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August 15, 2010 6:42:42 AM

also, i read that you can unlock a 4th core for the rana with some mobos.. how do you do this??
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a b C Monitor
August 15, 2010 2:16:42 PM

Unlocking + stable is not to be seen as a given but a bonus but actually the hubler lights such as Asrock/Biostar were, back from AM2+ days pioneers in unlockable BIOS/mobos (and didn't boast nor jack up prices :p )
http://67.90.82.13/forums/showthread.php?t=245020
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August 15, 2010 4:18:12 PM

For a gaming build, you're better off spending that money on a better GPU.

GTX 460 + $80 = ATI 5850.
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August 15, 2010 4:34:07 PM

coldsleep said:
For a gaming build, you're better off spending that money on a better GPU.

GTX 460 + $80 = ATI 5850.



i'm not a hardcore gamer so i'd rather have a more 'balanced' system regarding gaming, multitasking etc. also, playing the current games at the highest setting isn't that much of a deal with me. so i guess i'll just hold off on that 5850 for now :kaola:  i guess what i'm trying to say is if you guys would recommend that cpu+mobo combo if i want my system to be around for the next 2-3 years? then maybe i'll just upgrade to other stuff in the future. appreciate all your help!

oh and also, what's a decent case for less than $40? my budget's getting a little tight with that 945 and gtx460 :o 

and this is my first time attempting to build a system :sweat: 
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August 15, 2010 4:53:30 PM

I'm not sure there are decent cases for less than $40. :p 

One of the most recommended "budget" cases around here is the Antec 300 Illusion. You could spend that additional $30-40 on the case, which should last you at least 2 or 3 builds. In all seriousness, 3 cores vs. 4 cores isn't going to make a difference in day-to-day computing or gaming. It really only comes into play when you're doing very CPU-intensive tasks like audio or video editing, 3D rendering, that sort of thing.
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August 15, 2010 9:08:32 PM

coldsleep said:
I'm not sure there are decent cases for less than $40. :p 

One of the most recommended "budget" cases around here is the Antec 300 Illusion. You could spend that additional $30-40 on the case, which should last you at least 2 or 3 builds. In all seriousness, 3 cores vs. 4 cores isn't going to make a difference in day-to-day computing or gaming. It really only comes into play when you're doing very CPU-intensive tasks like audio or video editing, 3D rendering, that sort of thing.


which is a better RAM+case combo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

so is it more practical to just get the rana 445 instead of the phenom 945? i do make a lot of skype video calls to family and friends and photoshop and stuff besides gaming.

btw, thanks for the help guys!
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a b C Monitor
August 15, 2010 9:19:18 PM

The Antec ships with more fans.

The Lian Li has fewer fans but has a window and better cable management. It also has sideways mounted hard drive bays, a feature many people like.

Both are great cases, but I would personally want the Lian Li. You would have to put more work into the build, make it look tidy inside because of the window....
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August 15, 2010 10:55:44 PM

Some of the better parts of said review:

OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 W can really deliver its labeled power, however during test five it shut down twice.

Then we have noise and ripple, which were below the maximum allowed (during test five -12 V output touched the 120 mV limit and +12 V was a little higher than we’d like to see, but still within specs).

Unfortunately we couldn’t pull any more power from this unit. If we tried to increase one amp on any output the unit would shut down.

AKA, it's a 600 watt peak, not continuous. It has dangerous (IMO) ripple, and can't deliver anything past 600, not to mention it shuts down at full load.

I would spend 10$ for a Seasonic OEM.
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August 15, 2010 11:37:51 PM

kipay11 said:
which is a better RAM+case combo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

so is it more practical to just get the rana 445 instead of the phenom 945? i do make a lot of skype video calls to family and friends and photoshop and stuff besides gaming.


They're both the same RAM, it's really up to you on which case you want. I haven't worked with either of them, so I'll defer to Proximon's judgement. :) 

The difference between having that 4th core and not are likely going to be pretty minimal. Photoshop might use it from time to time, but I think you're better off spending the money elsewhere right now. In the future, you can always drop in a more powerful processor if you think it's really struggling.
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August 16, 2010 2:01:53 AM

Proximon said:
Nice catch. The 600W was good
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/936/1


hmm.. so i have two conflicting opinions here. i also read in other threads that the ocz was not that good :| bummer. it's got that combo with the gtx460 real cheap!!! argh!
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August 16, 2010 2:25:30 AM

Well, I think the fact the unit shut down twice when asked to produce it's rated wattage, and had ripple touching the absolute maximum of ATX spec probably says no.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

You could combo a nicer PSU+hard drive for 135.

The OCZ PSU+768 GTX 460 combo and 500GB HD totals 305. Subtract 135 for the PSU/HD combo above and that leaves 170$ for the vidcard to stay exactly in line with the OCZ combo+500GB HD+GTX 460 768.

A GTX 460 1 GB is 205$. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Making the total cost of a nicer PSU, twice the HD space, and the 1GB 460 35$.

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a b C Monitor
August 16, 2010 6:56:14 AM

sp12 said:
Some of the better parts of said review:

OCZ ModXStream Pro 600 W can really deliver its labeled power, however during test five it shut down twice.

Then we have noise and ripple, which were below the maximum allowed (during test five -12 V output touched the 120 mV limit and +12 V was a little higher than we’d like to see, but still within specs).

Unfortunately we couldn’t pull any more power from this unit. If we tried to increase one amp on any output the unit would shut down.

AKA, it's a 600 watt peak, not continuous. It has dangerous (IMO) ripple, and can't deliver anything past 600, not to mention it shuts down at full load.

I would spend 10$ for a Seasonic OEM.



I would spend more for a Seasonic as well, but that's not the point.

In test 5 Gabe was pulling 43 amps on the 12V rail. The unit is rated, rather clearly, for 42 amps. All this indicates is that the PSUs OCP was functioning properly... In fact, Gabe gave the PSU a "Golden Award," his highest honor. Gabe is not the only one to test this unit properly. PC Perspective also tested the unit thoroughly with a load tester and oscilloscope, even passing 40C.
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=644&type=expert&pi...

pcper.com gave it a Silver Award.

A GTX 460 1GB, overclocked, is unlikely to ever pull more than 16A. Total load on the PSU is never going to exceed 400W in this build, and will average somewhere under 300W while gaming.

I always consult the database before recommending a PSU. I never recommended the 700W version, I now realize. You pulled that out of thin air.

Perhaps, since you mention the -12V rail being nearly out of spec, you would like to explain to the OP what it's used for?

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