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August 15, 2010 5:58:48 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Coming weekend

BUDGET RANGE: 600-800 USD

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Watching tv shows/ gaming/ surfing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, case,OS(should be getting a windows 7 64 bit OEM,
PSU (currently have a COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-460-PMSR-A3 460W would that be enough for my new build?

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: any would be fine as long as i find them in Hong Kong

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Hong Kong

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD Phenom X2, x4 or even the x6? or go for intel? :??: 

OVERCLOCKING: / No /

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: / No /

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1440x900 (19" philips monitor)

Would like a PC with would be able to play games at a non laggy rate with my set up ( havent been gaming in a while due to my old pc, amd 2800+, 9800pro, 1 gb ram... its 6 yrs old. :sweat: 

I want something which would last me a decent 1-2 yrs with gaming and 3-4 years normal use.
The reason I will be going to buy it in a week is because there is a PC exhibition where a lot of stuff is with discount 20-30% I am hearing, I guess its a good time to buy)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. :) 

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a b B Homebuilt system
August 15, 2010 6:43:31 PM

peetal said:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Coming weekend

BUDGET RANGE: 600-800 USD

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Watching tv shows/ gaming/ surfing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, case,OS(should be getting a windows 7 64 bit OEM,
PSU (currently have a COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-460-PMSR-A3 460W would that be enough for my new build?

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: any would be fine as long as i find them in Hong Kong

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Hong Kong

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD Phenom X2, x4 or even the x6? or go for intel? :??: 

OVERCLOCKING: / No /

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: / No /

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1440x900 (19" philips monitor)

Would like a PC with would be able to play games at a non laggy rate with my set up ( havent been gaming in a while due to my old pc, amd 2800+, 9800pro, 1 gb ram... its 6 yrs old. :sweat: 

I want something which would last me a decent 1-2 yrs with gaming and 3-4 years normal use.
The reason I will be going to buy it in a week is because there is a PC exhibition where a lot of stuff is with discount 20-30% I am hearing, I guess its a good time to buy)

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. :) 



In the 600-800 range, you're best off sticking with AMD. a Phenom II X4 955 or 965 is a solid choice. Power Supplys get worse with age. Rather than using a 6 year old power supply, I'd get a new one. The X6 models are best used s you do video editing, not just watching TV. I dont hav access to a Hong Kong board for pricing, so no links below.

Assuming its a US$600-800 build for gaming, TV, and general internet use, I'd suggest looking for good deals on:

AMD 770 chipset board, which will not have Sata 6gb and USB3, if you aren't using such things, a 770 will do fine. It still does DDR3 1333/1600, and comes in either single card or crossfire 16x/4x.. It can be found for $60 easily (Biostar, AS Rock boards). $75 for ASUS and Gigabyte. It lacks some of the features in the 8xx chipset boards, but was purpose built as an AM3 board, so IMHO it makes a good cost cut.


AMD 955be or 965be. If you don't want to mess with overclocking, the 965 at 3.4 GHZ is only $10 more than the 955. $155-165. The stock cooler should handle things fine for either one.

ATI 5770 ($150) or NVidia 460 $(200-230) 768MB/1GB video card

4 GB of DDR3 1600 RAM: ~$90

Samsung f3 1 TB Hard drive $75

a DVD burner: $22. Your screen is to small to really take advantage of Blu-Ray, but a blu-ray player could be added for $85-100

All this should be managed on a 600W Power supply, easily. $60 for a good quality one.

a Decent case with 3 to 6 120mm fans will run $50, plus the full fan suite might add $10-20, depending on your need for glowing LEDs and what the case comes with.

This runs about $700-800 depending what your final costs are
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August 16, 2010 8:40:40 AM

ok have come up with the following:

Mainboard:
ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
looking for 2x2GB or perhaps 3x2GB depending on the price and the money I have left.

Any suggestions for brands?

Graphics Card:
I would be getting the 5770 now the brand of which I am not sure of:

Here are a few which are more or less the same price here in Hong Kong:

1
MSI R5770-PM2D1G/Seaweed Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2
MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3
HIS H577FM1GD Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4
XFX HD-577X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Which would be the most reliable/ highest performance (if any difference)?


Regarding the PSU and Case I will decide later depending on the discounts etc locally.





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August 16, 2010 11:52:20 AM



$610.92 before rebates. $580.92 after rebates, Shipping $7.72


if its hard to read:



SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152185

$74.99


ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131603


-$5.00 Instant
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card

$79.99


A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1600GB2G9-2G
Item #: N82E16820211409

$89.99


Rosewill RCA-1204BK 120mm Sleeve Black Case Fan, 4/PK
Item #: N82E16835200061

-$3.00 Instant

$6.99

(this 4 pack is only $2 more than a single, so it's cheaper than buying the 2 extras the case can hold.)

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...
Item #: N82E16811147153
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
LITE-ON 22X DVD Writer Black IDE Model iHAP422-98 LightScribe Support
Item #: N82E16827106328

-$15.00 Instant
-$17.00 Combo

$48.98


AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
Item #: N82E16819103727


SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100283VX-2L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ...
Item #: N82E16814102898

$15.00 Instant
-$25.00 Combo
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card

$309.98

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total $610.92 before rebates
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August 16, 2010 2:59:59 PM

I am a bit confused about the mother board now.
I went to the computer centre (we have like malls full of PC shops selling pretty much everything)
The ASUS M4A77TD is hardly in any shop. They are all recommending me to buy the M4A8 Series.

I also found out after checking with the Asus Website the ASUS M4A77TD does not have USB 3.0. Will it be a big factor in the future since I will be using the PC for the next 4 years?

Regarding my PSU, I bought it less than a year ago but being a 460W PSU Will it handle my rig?

Whats the difference between the Sapphire Vapor and normal one because the vapor is like $10 more expensive.

Also, the Western Digital 1TB, 7200rpm black 64 mb may be cheaper than the samsungHD one, is it better?
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a b B Homebuilt system
August 16, 2010 7:21:40 PM

peetal said:
I am a bit confused about the mother board now.
I went to the computer centre (we have like malls full of PC shops selling pretty much everything)
The ASUS M4A77TD is hardly in any shop. They are all recommending me to buy the M4A8 Series.

I also found out after checking with the Asus Website the ASUS M4A77TD does not have USB 3.0. Will it be a big factor in the future since I will be using the PC for the next 4 years?

Regarding my PSU, I bought it less than a year ago but being a 460W PSU Will it handle my rig?

Whats the difference between the Sapphire Vapor and normal one because the vapor is like $10 more expensive.

Also, the Western Digital 1TB, 7200rpm black 64 mb may be cheaper than the samsungHD one, is it better?


The main difference *is* the lack of USB3. If you're using it, an 880 board can be bought for $80-90. As you're going into brick-n-mortar stores, its not surprising you can't get last year's model in the store. an 8xx series is fine, but will cost a little more.


The 460W would work, but is a little tight. A 500-600W gives more room for the PS to age, or updating/overclocking room.

That Sapphire is part of a deal, saving $10, but the usual price is $145-155 for a 5770. Thi one is also the Juniper XT version,.

The Western Digital is a little cheaper, but not quite as fast as the F3
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August 17, 2010 5:08:54 PM

Thanks for great info.

Ignoring newegg's prices as well as combos.

As I am comparing prices of each item and individually converting it into Hong Kong $.

Would you still have the same recommendations for everything?

AMD Phenon x4 965 = HK1390 = US$ 179

Asus M4A77TD = HK580 = US$73 (any other differences from the 8xx series besides the USB3, I read some places that the 7xx Series get hot easily, source not too reliable but in case something is known.)

Ram: A-Data 2GB x2 DDR3 1600 Gaming Series = HK750 = US$96

HD: Samsung 1TB F3 = HK465 = US$60

Graphics Card: Which 5770 or something lower
Here is a link to a HK website, I have set the search for HK1000(US$ 130) or below, if anything is comparable to the 5770.

US$130 or below
http://www.price.com.hk/category.php?c=100018&filter=10...

If nothing is good enough for my usage and preferred PC life then here is the page for 130-260, My budget would be around HKD$1200 price varies day to day so I guess 1100 - 1300 should be ok.

US$130-US$260 (lowest to highest)
http://www.price.com.hk/category.php?c=100018&filter=10...

Really appreciate it if you could check this site because newegg and HK cards have some difference.

Thanks loads


As for the PSU, any suggestions? for a reasonable and reliable 500-600W

Case, I think I will keep mine after I clean it out a bit.

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a b B Homebuilt system
August 17, 2010 6:15:11 PM

Of the ones you list there, none are as good as the HD5770. The Sapphire one is the least expensive at HK$1120, which is within your 1200 budget.

Power Supply at 500W, the Seasonic 80+ Bronze is about US$69, but good, reliable brands include Cooler Master, Thermaltake, Antec, Seasonic, OCZ, and Ultra. Any of these brands at 500W should be good for your build.
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August 17, 2010 6:55:55 PM

The Sapphire one is the 5750 for 1120.... I thought I was getting the 5770, The prices there are a bit higher and I think 1300-1400 on the site should be 1200 when i go to the shop.

Will check out the PSU later.

ANy idea about the motherboard? I think I would opt for the Asus M4A87TD or the EVO when i check prices again. Any idea on the 8xx series mobos?
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August 17, 2010 8:20:37 PM

Why the 965? Just get a 955 and bump the multiplier for 20$ less or a 1055t for 20$ more if you're overclocking or can use additional cores.
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August 18, 2010 12:57:59 AM

ScrewySqrl: I haven't actually heard of Amaze thats why I wanted to stay away from that one.

sp12: I don't plan to overclock as I want the CPU to last a good 4 years that is why I was sticking to the 965. Not sure the 6 cores of the 1055T will really benefit much compared to the 4 cores. Any contradictions would be appreciated.
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August 18, 2010 2:28:53 AM

If you want this CPU to last for 4 years then the 1055t is a no brainer. It's 3% slower in single-threaded apps (games), but as apps continue to leverage multicore better (next year or so) the 6 core will definitely be a much better choice.
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August 19, 2010 2:48:09 AM

hmmm I guess I could dish out a bit more for the 1055T...

Now my problem is the mobo... would it be worth to spend more and get the 8xx series for the Asus?

The Samsung HD is totaally unavailable here... in everyshop... they MAY have stock in a week. I could wait but if they still do not have stock, whats my best alternative in the same price range?
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a b B Homebuilt system
August 19, 2010 3:14:19 AM

Seagate, Western Digital, and Hitachi are all in the same price range. the Samsung F3 is a LITTLE faster drive, but any brand will do ya. Make sure you get a 32MB Cache if you can.

the 770 Motherboard will do everything the 870 would do excepts Sata 3, which you won't notice without one of the very fastest SSDs.

the 1055T is great if you'll be doing multithreading applications. No games yet use more than 2-3 cores, so its a bit slower in those. But if you do video encoding, rendering, a lot of number crunching with Excel (like the budget for a major company) music creation, the 6 cores will be worth the extra money.
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August 19, 2010 8:13:01 AM

Regarding mother board
"4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR3 1800(O.C.)/1600(O.C.)/1333/1066 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
*AMD AM3 100 and 200 series CPU support up to DDR3 1066MHz. "

From Asus Website: will the a-data 1600 ddr3 ram be able to run on it.?

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August 26, 2010 2:55:01 PM

I just purchased a combo from Newegg.com ($235):
AMD Phenom II x4 965 be
Asus M4A87TD/USB3 - Spec-wise, this mobo is straightforward (doesn't have onboard video or XFire capable). Without a combo deal, this mobo should run you about $100.
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