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October 29, 2010 8:22:57 AM

I'm currently running an ASUS M2N SLi-Deluxe mobo with an AMD X2 4000+ CPU.... I need the CPU upgrade so i was planning on going with a Phenom 9850 Black Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ... but im not sure if it would support it... HELP!

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October 29, 2010 8:58:44 AM

first Upgrade Bios 1504 from your mobo support . and better up CPU AMD Phenom 9600 Agena $100.
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October 29, 2010 6:24:55 PM

zimmalox said:
I'm currently running an ASUS M2N SLi-Deluxe mobo with an AMD X2 4000+ CPU.... I need the CPU upgrade so i was planning on going with a Phenom 9850 Black Edition http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ... but im not sure if it would support it... HELP!



It's seems your motherboard supports Phenom II.

No need to go with a Phenom I.

If you tell us your budget, we can suggest you the best cpu for your money.

Brad
October 29, 2010 6:30:58 PM

I was in a similar situation as you... same mobo, same question...
I ended up going with the Phenom II X3 740, I think that is close to what you are looking at... better clock speed, unlocked multiplier, and higher L3 Cache...
Worth looking at if it fits your budget!
October 30, 2010 1:04:45 AM

well im kinda on a budget... so this one is still good? or should invest more
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October 30, 2010 2:14:00 AM

yes mobo support Phenom II, Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 570-SLI slow down work in phenom II, this mobo one of the best for Multimedia not OC
October 30, 2010 5:18:00 AM

henydiah said:
yes mobo support Phenom II, >>>Northbridge NVIDIA nForce 570-SLI slow down work in phenom II<<< , this mobo one of the best for Multimedia not OC




slowdown work work in phenom? wat u mean
October 30, 2010 6:07:30 AM

nForce 570 don support full speed hypertransport line of Phemon II. But it will work on full processor clock. Then that would be OK.
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October 30, 2010 6:50:11 AM

if you play game, rendering, & any big Software your PC work too hard & very very slow time
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October 30, 2010 8:17:58 AM

Lol even if Phenom II worked on it, Firehawk you do realize his mobo is AM2+ NOT AM3... I mean in some cases AM3 works with AM2+ but not all the time.

The best choice is the chip you chose, if it wasn't Nvidia chipset i'd tell you to go with the Phenom II 940 X4 but it's not. So... the 9850 is your best bet. For only 70$ you can't go wrong.
October 30, 2010 8:41:31 AM

finally someone is getting somewhere with this aznshinobi thx for making hella lot of sense.... the 9850 black edition was my best bet instead of getting the phenom II that wont prolly work that well or even at all id rather take the chance with the 9850BE and its cheap i dont think ill be doing any major Ooverclocking... but i am a graphic designer and a progamer so it should run well with 8GB of G-SkiLL, what u think
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October 30, 2010 8:46:34 AM

Well... Then, the 9850 is fine, OCing isn't a need it's just something that'd be nice, but the old Phenoms can't really OC very well. As for programming, it should be fine, I used Core 2 Duos at my school and it ran programming like Java and scripting kind of stuff fine, like Eclipse. I don't know if it's the same as graphic design so... Yeah. If graphic design is like Rhino 3D or something like that, it should be good. As for the 8gb its fine too.
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October 30, 2010 11:40:28 AM

Asus CPU Support List

AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz: $75

This 4GB (2 x 2GB) kit is on the QVL List.

Anand Benchies


As long as your HT speed (1000MHz) is faster than your RAMs speed there should be minimal impact on performance.

For what it does the 9850BE will work fine, but the X3 445 Rana will perform better, run cooler and should OC nicely.

-- drop the memory ratio from 400 to 333
-- drop the HT to x4
-- lock the PCIe to 100MHz
-- drop the CPU multiplier to x15
-- raise the clock to 220MHz
-- test for stability and temps

With a little volt tweaking (and good cooling) you should be able to go higher. 15x240MHz (3.6GHz) should be the sweet spot. Much higher than that and you will have to drop the HT to x3 and you RAMs ratio to 266MHz (which will give you enough headroom for a 280MHz clock - 14x280MHz = 3.9GHz)
October 30, 2010 11:32:11 PM

good point wisecracker.... but shouldnt 4 core run better than just 3 cores?
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October 30, 2010 11:44:23 PM

Well... That is kind of true and kind of not, Although there isn't any comparing the new athlons to the old phenoms, more cores is not always the case. 3 cores is the sweet spot, its not too many, but its enough to multi-task. This is also good because it is a lower power using chip than the 9850. But also it's close to your budget. They should perform about the same but the 9850 has unlocked multi the 445 doesn't. It's kind of preference as they should perform about the same in the end.
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October 31, 2010 12:05:04 AM

Hmm... Well... The 740 although great, I wouldn't recommend him to get mainly because he can't unlock it. But I feel stupid now. Thank you Firehawk haha.
October 31, 2010 12:58:37 AM

aznshinobi said:
Lol even if Phenom II worked on it, Firehawk you do realize his mobo is AM2+ NOT AM3... I mean in some cases AM3 works with AM2+ but not all the time.

The best choice is the chip you chose, if it wasn't Nvidia chipset i'd tell you to go with the Phenom II 940 X4 but it's not. So... the 9850 is your best bet. For only 70$ you can't go wrong.


Actually Shinobi, I do realize what the mobo is since I own it. I also realize that the 740 is listed as supported with the newest BIOS released by ASUS officially.

You can see it here http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=0jMy2X8lKstYRvev it also lists the 945 as being supported, not the 940, but's probably not in zimmalox price range

Please feel free to share any information you have about the CPU not working with the mobo, as I have yet to see that be the case.


Zimmalox, as far as price and performance with the 740 you get something that is only slightly more expensive ($88.99 vs. $69.99) and you get slightly better performance. It is your call ultimately, but whatever you decide let us know how it goes. As far as 4 vs. 3 cores it's all relative to the Apps you run and how much you are truly multi-tasking at the same time.
November 1, 2010 9:43:34 PM

ight ima work with a triple core if its better ^^ but my mind is mostly set on the 9850 BE
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November 1, 2010 9:57:25 PM

Haha alright it's really your pick. Good luck!
November 2, 2010 2:35:28 PM

THX aznshinobi wats a good cpu fan to get with it tho?
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November 2, 2010 9:31:09 PM

-True but, OP wants the 9850 so :p 

Anyway, a quiet CPU cooler or just a good one in general. Also, you should close this thread and start a new thread. Since some people in the Cooler & Heatsink section should be of more help than I.
November 2, 2010 11:48:02 PM

i flashed my bios to the latest version so go with 9850be or triple core
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November 3, 2010 8:00:49 PM

Not to belabor the point but the *Olde Original* Phenom 9850BE was manufactured at 65nm, and the triple-core Rana at 45nm.

The original Phenoms at 65nm had difficulty over-clocking but were decent performers for their clock speed. AMD introduced a new southbridge with something called Advanced Clock Calibration, or ACC.

ACC improved the over-clocking capability of the original Phenoms, and had the additional benefit of unlocking cores. Your motherboard, regretfully, does not have the AMD sb710 or sb750 with ACC capability but because the Rana chip runs much cooler you will have much better success at clocking that sucker up on your motherboard.

The other advantage of the Rana is that it has both DDR2 and DDR3 memory capability (side note: the original Phenoms also had this capability but the DDR3 function was disabled).

This means that the Rana will run in a new AM3 motherboard, and better yet, a new AM3+ motherboard (available next spring) which will run BD Zambezi.
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November 3, 2010 8:17:54 PM

Quote:
" This means that the Rana will run in a new AM3 motherboard, and better yet, a new AM3+ motherboard (available next spring) which will run BD Zambezi. "

ahh, if this is to be true....
i'd love it.


I played that one pretty safe :lol:  Spring/2011 gives me until June 21 for AM3+. I suspect it will arrive easily within that time frame.

No bets on Bulldozer - LOL - though I'd love to see it in May/June (or January-February-March or April, for that matter :bounce:  ).
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November 3, 2010 8:23:14 PM

henydiah said:
first Upgrade Bios 1504 from your mobo support . and better up CPU AMD Phenom 9600 Agena $100.

You are recommending him a lower clocked CPU that has the TLB bug? Oh dear.
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November 3, 2010 8:28:51 PM

Haha GJ enzo.
November 4, 2010 9:45:41 PM

so driver whiz identified my board as "ASUS Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3 M2N SLi Deluxe"

having shown this... does it mean i can definitely get an AM3 CPU and ive already flashed my bios to v1805 which is the latest version
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November 5, 2010 12:56:51 AM

Well the reason, is not because when they made the board they where thinking of AM3. But because AM3 has less pins than AM2+ and AM2, it allows AM3 chips to generally work on AM2+ boards.
November 5, 2010 2:52:49 AM

so shinobi wats the final verdict my friend give me ur take
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November 5, 2010 4:36:52 AM

Well it all depends, but to me, the best choice is the Rana as they all suggested (the Athlon II X3) Mainly because they run cooler and are a pretty decent CPU line overall, alot of budget builders recommend it. I actually really would pick the 445 (they don't even sell it anymore i don't think, I'm pretty sure its just the 450 now)

Anyway here's why: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/189?vs=29
Near on par performance, but the difference is the 450 will run cooler and quieter than the 9850.

NVM: they do still sell the 445.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 5, 2010 6:29:09 AM

I thought most people hates AMD, I don't.
November 5, 2010 8:50:41 AM

ight ima work with the triple core then... i hope it doesnt give me any problems working (idontthinksinceyallareallgurus^^) but thx alot for the help guys....
additionally is there anything else i should kno interms of overclocking it etc.

MASTER AZNSHINOBI I SUMMON U
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November 5, 2010 11:16:04 AM

dEAne said:
I thought most people hates AMD, I don't.


You could've quoted that most people, while their budget permits, will prefer an Intel setup over an AMD setup..
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November 5, 2010 12:15:39 PM

Quote:
^
that's better - Emperus
yo, congrats on silver badge dude.


Thanks a lot man.. And i'll take this opportunity to thank all those who, both directly and indirectly, have made it possible.. All the credit goes to you guys..
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November 7, 2010 1:12:57 AM

Very good selection.. Outright better both in performance and vfm than the triple core..
November 7, 2010 2:33:45 AM

fa sho thx ima just work with 4 gb of g skill
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November 7, 2010 5:14:16 AM

Mal... his board isn't DDR3... -_--
Also, GL zimmalox
November 7, 2010 6:31:53 AM

yea thx shinobi.... so this is what im working with rite now on my budget

CPU upgrade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM upgrade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

since i already have 2 gb g skill ddr2 800 in there ill just add an additional 4gb and i should be set... thx to the community for the extra help and BIG THX to tomshardware.com for putting together such a wonderful site/forum database for us techies both noobs and veterans alike and THX SHINOBI U ROCK!
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November 7, 2010 1:15:37 PM

Quote:
oops..
time to upgrade motherboard too.... :D 

Why?
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November 7, 2010 1:37:59 PM

Quote:
jokingly stated....
because I and i did say I made a mis-take about ddr3 board.
believe me, ddr2 800 in dual mode is still good RAM, i know..
just falling on my sword.
:ange: 

lol. Joke just went over my head =)
November 7, 2010 4:04:17 PM

lol y should i upgrade my mobo wen it still has some more "LIFE" in it
November 7, 2010 5:16:18 PM

nope... LoL
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November 7, 2010 6:09:06 PM

Well, you probably already know this, but just to check. Are you running a 64-bit OS? Because if you buy 4gigs more of ram, your OS won't recognize, you'll just be using 3 gigs. Anyways, as for the memory it's fine. And yeah, great choice for the CPU I would have gone that route too. So I think your all set now.

EDIT: well going through newegg's DDR2 800 memory, I found this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think it'd be a better deal since it's 80$ but has an MIR of 20$. So that's a good deal, plus timings and such are the same, cept its got a bigger heatsink and Patriot is a pretty good brand.
November 7, 2010 6:26:41 PM

yea shinobi im running windows 7 ultimate 64 bit... as of for the RAM im currently running 2GB G-Skill DDR2 800 so by getting this Patriot Extreme would it run better or because theres a brand difference would cause a lil problems.... or it wont matter? PLZ TELL
November 7, 2010 6:32:28 PM

actually the patriot has less timing than the gskill hmmmm
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November 7, 2010 8:40:12 PM

Well then, the lower timings will help the ram, but it's not noticeable only in benchmarks. As for the model/company difference, I'd recommend just not using the 2gigs, since your board is only dual channel. I'd just recommend using the 2x2gb Patriot ram since that'll give you your fastest speeds. But otherwise you can use the 2gb Gskill and 4gb Patriot and it'll run fine.
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November 7, 2010 9:08:19 PM

^ We already know what ram we're upgrading to. =P
November 8, 2010 12:43:43 AM

i think im comfortable with the patriot its cheaper and it has lower timings so ye
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