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August 16, 2010 8:30:37 PM



APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1 week

BUDGET RANGE: $1,500.00 Including Shipping

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, sound card.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, tigerdirect.com or a place that ships to Puerto Rico and has good prices.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Puerto Rico

PARTS PREFERENCES: None really, just looking for good options and not over doing things.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe (It's really hot all year over here :S).

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1680x1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Friends have been begging me to get an XBOX. I don't like the graphics much. But most of all I dislike how many people I know have gone thru a few broken xboxes in a couple years. For gaming I'm thinking Crisys 2, MW2, Battlefield BC2, RE5, LFD, SC2, D3. I need to buy tires for my corolla 2005 :)  they are in really bad shape :( .

I've been looking around different builds and videos on youtube of people running games on max settings with a 5770...I think I'm going a little bit overboard with my build for those games...some help there would be much appriciated.

I want to get the right PC and not waste money by going way over what I really need.

So basically I've been all over trying to get a good deal, can someone recommend a blue-ray drive, just to watch movies, nothing fancy.

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I've been looking at 3 kits. Thinking of getting this GTX 460 except for kit 3 witch includes an XFX 1GB 5770.

Kit 1:ASUS Sabertooth P55/SSD Gaming SuperCombo

Kit 2:Core i7-930/GIGABYTE X58 OC SuperCombo

kit 3:AMD Black Edition 6 Core Barebone

This I saw too which doesn't look bad I tink:

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
NZXT M59 - 001BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Combo price $124.98


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard

Combo price $234.98

Total with shipping: $719.79

Also I saw the noctua NH-D14 that goes for some $90.00 out of stock on newegg.

I could go for another cooler if recommended.

Last but not least.

I have a Dell XPS 720 with an E6600 2.4GHZ, 4GB of Ram, 500GB Sata HD and a 8600 GTS.

A good friend of mine told me to just buy a 5770 GPU and I would be set for the games listed above.

I can't help to think that my CPU is going to be a bottleneck.

And I've read that I'm going to have trouble overclocking it because of the Dell board. My mistake for getting a BTX board and for letting Dell have fun with my pocket.

Well thank you all for your time and thanks in advance for any help provided.

Ed

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August 16, 2010 8:49:52 PM

A new graphics card is going to get you a huge boost in gaming performance. The problem is if that Dell uses a proprietary size PSU. If it uses a standard PSU, you can replace the PSU and graphics card and get a large performance boost now, then later you can replace the rest of the computer and keep the good PSU/GPU you buy now.
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August 16, 2010 11:04:36 PM

dndhatcher said:
A new graphics card is going to get you a huge boost in gaming performance. The problem is if that Dell uses a proprietary size PSU. If it uses a standard PSU, you can replace the PSU and graphics card and get a large performance boost now, then later you can replace the rest of the computer and keep the good PSU/GPU you buy now.


Thanks for your reply dndhatcher.

Well, altough my machine's form factor is BTX the PSU is 750W.
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August 17, 2010 4:17:31 PM

If the PSU has the necessary PCIE power cables then you might not even have to replace it.
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August 17, 2010 4:58:25 PM

the one build you were looking at a noctua nh-d14 that is 1 of the top of the range cpu coolers there are other options that are cheaper and perform similar, the thermalright venomous x rt, the thermalright silver arrow, the thermaltake frio and the Prolimatech Megahalems, but the best price vs performance cpu cooler out there i think is the coolermaster hyper 212+ which is the cheapest by quite a margin should be good enough to overclock your cpu to about 3,8 ghz
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August 17, 2010 5:00:34 PM

also i would see if you could get a 5850 with your amd build, by choosing the hyper 212+ over the noctua you will probably save enough money to upgrade to a 5850 gpu
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August 17, 2010 5:09:24 PM

If gaming is your priority, a 5770 is a mid-low GPU. You will get better gaming performance from a cheaper CPU (Athlon II x3 or Phenom II x4) and a more powerful GPU like an Nvidia 460. Right now the 460 is a better value than the 5850.
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August 17, 2010 5:15:25 PM

yes that is true, i just didnt notice that you did not want to sli or crossfire as an amd build with 2 gtx 460s is not going to happen.... yes rather go for a gtx 460 but if you have the extra cash go for the 5850 as it is about a 10% performance increase over the gtx 460
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August 17, 2010 5:16:23 PM

but a gtx 460 is the best price vs performance
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August 17, 2010 8:39:46 PM

Thank you very much for the replies.

I decided last night to read the guides on choosing parts. From there jumped to reading about motherboard layouts, power supplies and GPUS and then to an article on SSDs in anandtech.

After all that I looked around for some parts.

Basically for gaming I'm not going to use more than 4 cores. I'm not inclined to Intel or AMD. The Phenom X4 is a great CPU.

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $99.95

Thermaltake Frio $59.99 I checked the 212+ but for 10 bucks I get another 120mm fan, the 120mm fan is listed for $30.00...good I guess.

Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB $199.99, I thought about jumping into this... although loading times are not an issue for me...I'll probably change this to a regular drive. I mean, isn't the game being loaded into ram? After that doesn't the game just reads info from the drive when it needs to load some other area? like a checkpoint on a map? or a movie?

GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit

And a blu-ray player drive I don't plan to burn blu-ray.

GPU and blu-ray are part of a combo for $274.98

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W, I read about the SeaSonic X750 Gold but was worried by a review I read on the building guides about having to go with 850+ PSUs for high end cards like the GTX 460. The corsair has active power correction factor (which I read is good). Is not modular which is a bummer.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM

The PSU and memory are part of a combo that goes for $192.98

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor $234.98

Total with shipping: $1,229.45

About SSD performance degradation, I've read that the drives need to be erased. That would mean making an image of my OS. Saving that somewhere and then cleaning the drive. Am I correct? Since windows 7 supports trim, does that mean I won't have to do that? If the drive needs to be erased, How often? each 2 or 3 months?

On Anandtech article I remember reading about degradation and viewing some charts about 30% performance drop on Intel and OCZ drives. But I didn't saw anything about timeframe.

Thanks again for your time.

Ed
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August 17, 2010 8:45:51 PM

If you are not planning on going SLI, then you do not need anywhere NEAR 850w. With a 460 you could probably get away with 500 or 550 watt PSU. Recommend anything by corsair, seasonic, or xfx in this range. They are a little pricier, but have 5-7 yr warranties.
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August 18, 2010 5:26:30 PM

TRIM has eliminated much of the degradation issue with SSDs. I believe the articles you refer to are what led the SSD manufacturers to develop TRIM. They would be around a year old? Alot can happen in a year in the computer industry.

You need an HDD even if you get an SSD. The SSD is a luxury item that makes boot, load and application swapping very fast. You dont want to store videos, pictures, data or rarely used applications on and SSD.

I would go with an Antec 902 case instead of the 900. I love the looks of my 900, but the dust filters on the 300 make it a much easier case to maintain. The 902 has dust filters and is the same size as the 900.

I would look at a good Antec or Corsair 600ish watt PSU (built by seasonic), you wont need 850 unless you are running dual 460s. If you want modular the Antec TP (true power) series is semi-modular and the Corsair HX series is modular. With a bottom mounted PSU like in an antec gaming case, modular is not as big of a deal since the extra cables can just lay in teh bottom of the case and dont interefere with airflow.
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August 19, 2010 4:12:02 AM

Almost done.

Yeah the SSD article was like a year old. :) 

I just moved away from SSD now. Like you said SSD is a luxury for boot and load times. For the OS, Apps and games I chose a Western Digital VelociRaptor 150GB 10000 RPM drive. I still need a cheaper storage drive for data.

I did a quick search and found Roundup: Four 790FX Socket AM3 Motherboards by Thomas Soderstrom.

I tried to find the gigabyte board but it's not on newegg and it doesn't say when it will arrive. So I chose the Asus since I'm only going to put one GPU and my Xfi sound card in.

There is a combo for a HAF 932 and GSkill 4gb memory, I looked at the Antec 902 but the blue lights scared me a bit. I don't like flashy lights.

This is what I got so far:

VelociRaptor 150GB 10K RPM drive

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO board

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz

Thermaltake Frio CPU Cooler

GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W

Like you guys suggested I checked some 650 power supplies but I'm trying to use combos to save a few bucks.

Newegg's combos sometimes seem like more expensive than choosing parts individually. But it's late maybe my mind is playing games.
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August 19, 2010 4:42:00 PM

I wouldnt spend money on a Velicraptor. For the same price an SSD is tons faster or a new 500GB platter HDD is much larger. A Samsung F3 500GB ($55) or 1TB ($85) will have faster throughput than the Velociraptor. It wont random seek quite as fast, but overall its not worth the price difference. You wont see enough improvement from the raptor to justify not getting tires for the corolla.
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August 19, 2010 8:24:21 PM

I found a como for the HD and the PSU:
SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

One for the Antec 902:

Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

With the asus board, frio cooler and the GTX 460/blu rady reader combo everything goes for $960.87 and $159.84 of shipping for a total of $1,120.71.

I think I'm ready to hit the checkout button.
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August 19, 2010 9:09:11 PM

dndhatcher said:
I wouldnt spend money on a Velicraptor. For the same price an SSD is tons faster or a new 500GB platter HDD is much larger. A Samsung F3 500GB ($55) or 1TB ($85) will have faster throughput than the Velociraptor. It wont random seek quite as fast, but overall its not worth the price difference. You wont see enough improvement from the raptor to justify not getting tires for the corolla.


Agreed with all of the above. Velociraptors are no longer worth the price difference.

Either:
a) get 1-2 (or more) 7200 rpm drives and save the additional money (for tires!)
or
b) get an SSD (preferably a SandForce-1200 like the OCZ Agility/Vertex 2, Mushkin Callisto, Corsair Force, or G.Skill Phoenix Pro) and a single 7200 rpm drive for storage -- all for approximately the same price as one of the big VRs.
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August 21, 2010 4:28:32 AM

Changed a few things

HAF 932 midtower that goes for $89.98.

WD Caviar blue 320GB for $49.99. I currently use a 250GB and I have 100GB left of space. I don't download or keep tons of stuff on my PC.

Silent Pro 600W PSU $99.99

Thermaltake Frio $59.99

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO and OCZ Vertex Series 120GB SSD for$329.99

Phenom X4 3.2Ghz 965 Black Edition and GSkill 4Gb memory combo for $240.98

Gtx 460 and blu-ray reader for $274.98

That's $1208.90

Shipping $152.37

Total $1361.27

After Mail in rebate it's 1301.27.

It's a bit more than the previous one I had ($240).

Still need a mice and keyboard. I know I wrote above that I didn't but today I noticed I do.

I'm going to donate this PC so I'll need the keyboard and mouse.
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August 21, 2010 4:50:39 AM

Spinpoint F3 500 GB - $5 more for 180 GB more?

Since it looks like you're going to overclock, get the Phenom II X4 955 for $20 less.

The original Vertex series SSD is not really recommended. The more recent Agility 2/Vertex 2 are much better.

How about:
CPU & Mobo - Phenom II X4 955, Gigabyte 790FX mobo with USB 3.0 & SATA 6.0 Gb/s - $285
RAM - Mushkin 1600 MHz CL7 4 GB kit - $92
HSF - Thermaltake Frio - $60
GPU - GTX 460 & Blu-ray reader for $275
or

SSD - Mushkin Callisto - $160
HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 500 GB - $55
PSU - Silent Pro 600W - $100
Case - HAF 922 - $90

Total: $1117 + shipping

Or if you want a 120 GB SSD, the G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120 GB is $280, which would make the total $1237 + shipping.

I'm not really sure about the choice of the GTX 460. The 790FX boards have dual 16x PCI-E slots for full-bandwidth CrossFire, but they don't SLI. You would probably be better off with either a lesser board or an ATI graphics card.

Something like this Asus M4A87TD EVO USB 3.0 SATA 6.0 Gb/s motherboard for $100 might be a better choice. Thta plus the Phenom II X4 955 would save $30. Combo with that mobo & a blu-ray drive, freeing up the graphics card combo.
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August 21, 2010 9:15:29 PM

Wen't for your suggestion on memory and the Mushkin Callisto.

I've read that SLI or CrossFire are things to buy at the moment and not sometime in the future. Because there will always be a card that will beat a two card configuration later on.

I don't think I'll SLI or CrossFire, I can go with the Asus Board. But going for a lesser GPU from ATI wouldn't hinder me on games?


Added a Logitech MX 518. I was just looking around for a mouse and keyboard.

I've never been a fan of hyper mice or keyboards with loads of buttons. Always have used mouse with wheel and a regular keyboard. Nothing fancy. I was looking around for something simple but reliable. But I don't want to buy something cheap that will break fast. Still looking.
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August 21, 2010 11:16:03 PM

I look at SLI/CrossFire as an upgrade option. Only very rarely is it worth it to go with a dual-card configuration at the start of a build. Right now, SLI-ed GTX 460s are good at between $400-460. A while back, CrossFire 5770s were a good option at a very specific price point.

It is likely that by the time most people need a 2nd card, there will be a new generation of cards out. At that point, you have the option with an SLI/CrossFire-capable build of getting another of the same card, or if your budget allows, you can get a single card of the newer generation. The variable there is really your budget...whether or not older cards have come down in price enough compared to what you can afford to spend on a newer card.

ATI cards aren't necessarily weaker across the board. At certain budgets, they're the right choice. For example, Tom's recommends the 5750 and 5770 for GPU budgets between about $125-175.

My point was that getting a 790FX board, which does CrossFire but not SLI, doesn't make much sense if you're not going to CrossFire, or if you get an nVidia card. You could spend less on a motherboard, in that case. If you go with the Asus EVO, then just get the single best graphics card you can afford, as SLI/CrossFire no longer matters.
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August 22, 2010 4:23:34 AM

coldsleep said:
I look at SLI/CrossFire as an upgrade option. Only very rarely is it worth it to go with a dual-card configuration at the start of a build. Right now, SLI-ed GTX 460s are good at between $400-460. A while back, CrossFire 5770s were a good option at a very specific price point.

It is likely that by the time most people need a 2nd card, there will be a new generation of cards out. At that point, you have the option with an SLI/CrossFire-capable build of getting another of the same card, or if your budget allows, you can get a single card of the newer generation. The variable there is really your budget...whether or not older cards have come down in price enough compared to what you can afford to spend on a newer card.

ATI cards aren't necessarily weaker across the board. At certain budgets, they're the right choice. For example, Tom's recommends the 5750 and 5770 for GPU budgets between about $125-175.

My point was that getting a 790FX board, which does CrossFire but not SLI, doesn't make much sense if you're not going to CrossFire, or if you get an nVidia card. You could spend less on a motherboard, in that case. If you go with the Asus EVO, then just get the single best graphics card you can afford, as SLI/CrossFire no longer matters.


Ohh, considering that then. There is a Sapphire for $200.00 Which doesn't look bad, and I also read that it will do great in crossfire. Could consider that as a future upgrade.

*****Edit*****
I've been reading that it's better to save a few bucks and go with a 5850, because it draws less power and it makes less noise (which I don't care much really) and runs cooler. But I saw this video that states otherwise.

This much thinking is nice exercise :) 

Changed the PSU to Seasonic X650 to be able to crossfire later on.

Still looking for a keyboard.

Any toughts on the cards?

I really like the ADM CPU but can't find anything to SLI the GTX 460.

I'm not an NVIDIA fan and I'm really starting to get angry about all the buss of the GTX 460...makes me want to buy one and burn it in front of my driveway :) , but just because it appears to be a good choice, both in performance and price. But I want to avoid the cost of an Intel CPU and board.

Thanks for all the help so far.
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August 23, 2010 6:10:29 PM

Save some money and get a Corsair HX 650. Also modular, also crossfire capable and also built by Seasonic, but cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


The reason to get a Samsung F3 500GB HDD is not as much for the space as the speed. It is much faster than any smaller HDD because of the single dense 500gb platter.


For SLI you need an "nforce" motherboard, not AMD. There arent that many.
Asus nforce 750 SLI motherboard with AM3 socket.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 23, 2010 6:36:41 PM

Let me see if I can edit my order. I already placed it but it's processing right now. Altough they already charged my account. So I don't know why it haven't changed to charged status.

This is what I ordered:

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 $89.98

Logitech MX 518 $42.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound $9.99

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB $91.99

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz $154.99

COOLER MASTER Megaflow 200mm $21.80

GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD 790X $129.99

Thermaltake Frio $59.99

RAZER Arctosa Silver USB $44.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB $54.99

SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W $139.99

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 $289.99

Mushkin Enhanced Callisto 60GB SSD $149.99

OCZ Behemoth Regulator Mousepad $5.99

That and shipping is around $1460.00
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August 25, 2010 11:35:25 PM

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