I like the 5830's value.. at the $200 price point. Correct me if I'm wrong but after reading reviews it seems like the 5830 isn't exactly an... "optimized" card. It uses the same GPU architecture as the 5870, but it's simply been disabled, so it causes a slight increase in power usage in proportion to pixel pushing power... right? Well, anyways, I'm not going to get a 5850 cause that's too much. And I don't want to settle for a 5770. So the 5830 fits the bill. Now I just saw these two fine cards for the cheap on the egg. Which do you think you would opt for? The Sapphire is 20 bucks cheaper but I sacrifice the opportunity for high OC'ing capabilities http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102878 . Where as the MSI http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127491 , goes for a little bit more, but I probably would get alot more bang for the buck. Is this a wise time to buy a 5830? Should I wait or buy now?