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November 1, 2010 6:44:00 PM

I have an alienware aurora about 10 months old, I have had NO problems with it at all and I love it, but with all the new games coming out I want to make sure i can play everything and not have a single problem like glitching or lag because my computer cant handle it, not only would i be pissed i cant play, but i would totally cry myself to sleep knowing how much i paid for this maching (i know i paid for the name but it was worth it in my mind and i could finance it. I couldnt afford to make my own i dont think) but is there something in my computer i can copy and paste for someone to see and then tell me what i can do to make it more beastly? im worried about overheating and what now i was thinking about a liquid cooler but im not sure if that would be redundant because the chassie's already so big, just any suggestions would be helpfull.

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November 1, 2010 6:52:22 PM

broggarage said:
I have an alienware aurora about 10 months old, I have had NO problems with it at all and I love it, but with all the new games coming out I want to make sure i can play everything and not have a single problem like glitching or lag because my computer cant handle it, not only would i be pissed i cant play, but i would totally cry myself to sleep knowing how much i paid for this maching (i know i paid for the name but it was worth it in my mind and i could finance it. I couldnt afford to make my own i dont think) but is there something in my computer i can copy and paste for someone to see and then tell me what i can do to make it more beastly? im worried about overheating and what now i was thinking about a liquid cooler but im not sure if that would be redundant because the chassie's already so big, just any suggestions would be helpfull.


Id love to help, but i have NO idea what the specs are on your computer. Look in windows experience for the basics. Crack it open for a little more in depth, or look in the BIOS.
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November 1, 2010 6:56:19 PM

1. speccy can tell you (and us) what hardware you have. its free. also what is your monitor's native resolution?
http://www.piriform.com/speccy

2. you can check your ability to play games here, just choose the game from the menu and run the game-meter
http://www.yougamers.com/gameometer/10422/

3. if you have a 10 month old PC, at worst you have a modern CPU and an ATI 5670. so you should have little issue playing games at a decent level.

4. you can track temp with HWmonitor. try to keep the CPU under 60c and the GPU under 95c. its also free
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
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November 1, 2010 6:56:52 PM

its scorang a 5.9 on everything and when i first got it i believe that a 6.0 was the best score out there, then i went to micro center yesterday and they had an alienware scoring a 7.2 or something i was shocked haha
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November 1, 2010 7:01:12 PM

broggarage said:
its scorang a 5.9 on everything and when i first got it i believe that a 6.0 was the best score out there, then i went to micro center yesterday and they had an alienware scoring a 7.2 or something i was shocked haha


well, by experience i mean it should list the specs, not the number. the number is useless. But thats because windows vista was capped at 5.9. W7 was capped at 7.9. So my computer that gets a 5.9 on Vista might get a 6.7 on Windows 7.
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November 1, 2010 7:06:05 PM

im not playing anything right now and i have 2 tabs up and 2 other windows up and this is the basics

AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 71 °C

RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 401MHz (6-6-6-18)

Graphics
DELL S2309W @ 1920x1080
896MB GeForce GTX 260 (nVidia) 45 °C

Hard Drives
488GB Seagate ST3500620AS ATA Device (Unknown Interface) 26 °C
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November 1, 2010 7:10:15 PM

broggarage said:
im not playing anything right now and i have 2 tabs up and 2 other windows up and this is the basics

AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 71 °C

RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 401MHz (6-6-6-18)

Graphics
DELL S2309W @ 1920x1080
896MB GeForce GTX 260 (nVidia) 45 °C

Hard Drives
488GB Seagate ST3500620AS ATA Device (Unknown Interface) 26 °C


Wow, that 10 months ago...? Seems more than that to me, but who knows. In any event, nothing really sticks out as the bottle neck per se. The best thing could could do would be to upgrade the GPU, as that has the most effect on gaming. Depending on how much your willing to spend, you can get a X4 955, 6850, 4 gigs DDR3 RAM, and a AM3 mobo for about $500-550 right about now. Then you can sell the parts you have no for oh, id say $200-250. Maybe...
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November 1, 2010 7:12:30 PM

damn maybe it was a little more than 10 months ago but a year at the most. and thank you.
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November 1, 2010 7:13:35 PM

broggarage said:
damn maybe it was a little more than 10 months ago but a year at the most. and thank you.


How much are you willing to spend on an upgrade?
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November 1, 2010 7:17:02 PM

well i get paid tomorroe and my check is gonna be around 360 380 ish so that much
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November 1, 2010 7:20:54 PM

broggarage said:
well i get paid tomorroe and my check is gonna be around 360 380 ish so that much


Then you might want to save up a little for either a new computer or a more substantial upgrade. The GTX 580 is coming in days to weeks it seems, maybe december, and the 6970 is coming around Nov. 22nd. Beyond that, right around the end of the year, Sandy Bridge is coming. Might be good to save up until then. After all, your computer shouldnt have bad performance currently.
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November 1, 2010 7:21:20 PM

does dust really affect a computer that bad? i blow it out all the time and it always seems to accumulate allot of dust and dog hair i have 2 labs, sometimes i take the side panel off thinking it will cool it down because its open but i dont know if thats actually beneficial for it or not.
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November 1, 2010 7:22:54 PM

ya it doesnt run bat at all and ive never really had a problem with it.
whats sandy bridge? haha
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November 1, 2010 7:23:11 PM

broggarage said:
does dust really affect a computer that bad? i blow it out all the time and it always seems to accumulate allot of dust and dog hair i have 2 labs, sometimes i take the side panel off thinking it will cool it down because its open but i dont know if thats actually beneficial for it or not.

Dust is bad, but not that bad. Just dont let it completely clog air flow or set things on fire ;) 
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November 1, 2010 7:24:29 PM

broggarage said:
ya it doesnt run bat at all and ive never really had a problem with it.
whats sandy bridge? haha


Sandy Bridge are the new CPU's intel is releasing. 32nm process, about 10% faster than the i7 clock for clock, 20% faster stock vs stock, and costing a decent bit less, as well as having onboard video.
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November 1, 2010 7:27:02 PM

o man that sounds amazing! haha
is there any way to make my computer facter right now? im very sure everything is stock but how do you overclock something and would that even be a good idea for mine?
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November 1, 2010 7:27:11 PM

I can say with almost 100% certainty you will not have any problems for at least few years.

I am not sure what temps AMD's like running at but web surfing @ 71C seems high, maybe a CPU cooler would be a good upgrade.

The only thing you may want to look into is a DX11 vidieo card, but as far as I know not to many games even support this yet. Maybe further down the road adding 2GB - 4GB of RAM but that is not needed anytime soon.

Just for peace of mind I am running a Pentium 4 3.4GHz, 3GB of usable RAM, and a ATI4670 512MB video card and I can play games with all or mostly all high settings besides Crysis(And, Yes my PC can play Crysis quite well) or Far Cry 2 from resolutions from 1280x1024 to 1920x1080. And sometimes when availible use 4xMSAA.

So unless you are expeirencing some kind of hardware problem or slowdowns in games for no apparent reason, you have nothing to worry about for some time to come.

EDIT: If you want to go ahead an build a new PC, I suggest you at least wait and see how SandyBridge turns out. Sould be availible around Jan 9, 2011.

If you are interested in try to OC, then check out this link:

A basic guide and need to know information

But as I said before 71C seems a bit high for a CPU but I may be wrong but this could severely limit an OC.
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November 1, 2010 7:31:56 PM

that is pretty nice to hear haha
i do download allot of stuff and i dont have really and good kind of virus protection would that be something i need to get asap or can i hold off on it, mind you i do have 2 younger prothers and i know there porn addicts, ( i have a gf at the moment so its not me, for now ;P) and if i wer to get one whats the best on the market and are there any free ones i can just use until i have more money?
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November 1, 2010 7:37:32 PM

broggarage said:
that is pretty nice to hear haha
i do download allot of stuff and i dont have really and good kind of virus protection would that be something i need to get asap or can i hold off on it, mind you i do have 2 younger prothers and i know there porn addicts, ( i have a gf at the moment so its not me, for now ;P) and if i wer to get one whats the best on the market and are there any free ones i can just use until i have more money?


Id just overclock and clean up your computer for now. Really, i doubt you should be having any problems, especially ones that cant wait a month. Personally, BTW, i use Avast:

http://www.avast.com/index

I have the free version, and works very well.
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November 1, 2010 7:42:08 PM

ok thank you, how would I go about overclocking my computer?
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November 1, 2010 7:44:19 PM

broggarage said:
ok thank you, how would I go about overclocking my computer?


First, do you know what cooling it has? The CPU being a Phenom shouldnt be going anywhere fast, but you might be able to get the GPU and maybe RAM speed up a little. But if you are having no problems or lag, then dont do anything, as theres no reason to.
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November 1, 2010 7:48:35 PM

^^ares1214^^ Thats good advice, you have a nice PC, just take care of it and keep your HDD clean and your OS running smoothly and you should be good to go.

AVG Antivirus is free I would recommend it

Also Spybot - Search & Destroy

And CCleaner
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November 1, 2010 7:49:05 PM

when i play order of war when i scrol up, down, left or right it seems to have a bet of a lag or somethin goin on, and it will randomly turn off, like it will freze and ill have to crtl ALT delete to get out of the frozen page then when i get there it will say order of war has stopped working, but then when i play cryses it runs absolutely flawlesly at the highest graphics so idk if its just that game or what.
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November 1, 2010 7:50:33 PM

broggarage said:
when i play order of war when i scrol up, down, left or right it seems to have a bet of a lag or somethin goin on, and it will randomly turn off, like it will freze and ill have to crtl ALT delete to get out of the frozen page then when i get there it will say order of war has stopped working, but then when i play cryses it runs absolutely flawlesly at the highest graphics so idk if its just that game or what.


Probably just the game...
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November 1, 2010 7:53:43 PM

ok well i have 6 windows up one is this websight the other is ccleaner, then a pc registry, then that speecy program, avast is running a complete system scan and im setting up that ccleaner program also so it doesnt seem like much but.......

CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 81 °C
Agena 65nm Technology
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November 1, 2010 7:57:40 PM

broggarage said:
ok well i have 6 windows up one is this websight the other is ccleaner, then a pc registry, then that speecy program, avast is running a complete system scan and im setting up that ccleaner program also so it doesnt seem like much but.......

CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 81 °C
Agena 65nm Technology

Its a pretty hot CPU naturally, but does it have stock cooling?
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November 1, 2010 8:00:29 PM

ya its stock, theres 5 fans in it right now.
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November 1, 2010 8:07:20 PM

ya i was thinking about trying to get atleas 8GB of RAM but i was gunnin for 12 sometime in the near future. how do i get to bios to overclock? when i go to the start menu i type in bios in the search bar and it takes me to a word doccumend so im probibaly doing i wrong haha
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November 1, 2010 8:10:10 PM

broggarage said:
ya i was thinking about trying to get atleas 8GB of RAM but i was gunnin for 12 sometime in the near future. how do i get to bios to overclock? when i go to the start menu i type in bios in the search bar and it takes me to a word doccumend so im probibaly doing i wrong haha


:lol:  Thats funny. Ok, when you restart your computer, you should see a screen, mines MSI because i have an MSI motherboard. If you make it to a password, your too late. When that screen is up, press the "Delete" button, atleast most of the time it is that button. It changes sometimes from mobo to mobo...
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November 1, 2010 8:10:54 PM

BTW, you are limited to DDR2 RAM, something thats not good. If you do upgrade your RAM, i wouldnt get more RAM, as its pretty useless, id get DDR3 RAM.
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November 1, 2010 8:11:40 PM

ok, and the overclocking info is in that menu?
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November 1, 2010 8:13:25 PM

broggarage said:
ok, and the overclocking info is in that menu?


Yes, although get to it first, as i bet $20 you will be confused once you get there. Without being there before, you should know what your are trying to OC, some OC'ing terms, and how to operate the cell menu. Just get there, and then come back and ask for help :lol: 
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November 1, 2010 8:15:11 PM

hahaha o you dont have faith in me huh, i know I may be a young weblo scout but ive gotten this far (though i havent really done anything) haha
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November 1, 2010 8:26:39 PM

ok im back and ya, it was somewhat confusing lol what do i do?
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November 1, 2010 8:30:01 PM

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true.
just keep it in dual mode if going more.


is DDR3 RAM the same chip just diffferent technology? like will it fit in the normal RAM slots? and what does DDR3 RAM do differently than the RAM i have now?
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November 1, 2010 8:59:37 PM

Hey broggarage, If you are interested in doing an OC, you should check out this link: A basic AMD OC guide and need to know information.

As malmental has said it can be confusing at first so it is best to become familiar with the terms and settings that you will be dealing with. Then you are able to ask the best questions and get better answers as well.
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November 2, 2010 4:06:09 AM

well ive read most of the "how to" guide and i can say that i want to overclock my computer to boost the gaming quality and memory, they started throwing out numbers and although i literally took 2 pages of notes im not sure if i will be able to remember how to do it when i reboot my computer, i want to do it, and want to do it the right way but im afraid if i mess up even by a little bet it will damage my computer irreparably.
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November 2, 2010 4:55:05 AM

ok so im slowly understanding what im doing. and i downloaded the AMD over drive sofrware that you told me to and every time i go into the status monitor (the tab with the 4 grids it encounters a problem and shuts down, literally every time, everything else seems to be running smoothly but the second i go to that tab it freaks out and closes.
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November 2, 2010 10:57:25 AM

broggarage said:
ok so im slowly understanding what im doing. and i downloaded the AMD over drive sofrware that you told me to and every time i go into the status monitor (the tab with the 4 grids it encounters a problem and shuts down, literally every time, everything else seems to be running smoothly but the second i go to that tab it freaks out and closes.


Things like AMD overdrive and MSI Afterburner will let you do most of what you can do in the BIOS from your desktop, atleast most of the basics.
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November 2, 2010 11:08:15 AM

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secoind, why is you cpu running so hot right now, is it under load.?
maybe a better cpu cooler..


Its naturally a pretty hot CPU...
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November 2, 2010 11:31:00 AM

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second, why is you cpu running so hot right now, is it under load.?
maybe a better cpu cooler..

I really think i might need a better cooler over my processor, its not under load or anything i just have a couple tabs open. last night it freaked me out cause i was downloading 2 things (the anti-virus things i was told worked well) and it got up to 118c
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November 2, 2010 11:32:30 AM

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i think you need to slow down on trying to overclock until you get everything else in order.
temps including thermal compound and heatsink, video and a good cleaning.
then after that with a possible upgrade to windows 7 if your still on vista let it run for awhile.
then one the system is ready, then try overclocking..
because overclocking it right now, you'll gonna mess something up.!
malmental - warned ya.

im running vista 32-bit
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November 2, 2010 11:40:18 AM

ya see like right now i have this page open then speccy looking at the temp then i have AMD overdrive open just doing a stability test and this is what i have heat wise.
CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 114 °C
Agena 65nm Technology
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November 2, 2010 11:41:50 AM

broggarage said:
ya see like right now i have this page open then speccy looking at the temp then i have AMD overdrive open just doing a stability test and this is what i have heat wise.
CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 114 °C
Agena 65nm Technology


:o  Are you sure thats not F? If not...SHUT HER DOWN SHUT HER DOWN DHUT HER DOWN!
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November 2, 2010 11:46:04 AM

ya its capable of running 64-bit, and as soon as i got out of the AMD overdrive the temp went back down to..

CPU
AMD Phenom X4 9950 Black Edition 77 °C
Agena 65nm Technology

which ever since i got that temperature reader last night has been about normal so far.
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November 2, 2010 11:46:42 AM

ya thats the one i have now everythings stock from when i bought it.
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November 2, 2010 11:49:03 AM

Thats pretty insane temps for idle and load, id either:

1. Call alienware
2. Re-apply thermal paste and find out what heat sink you have
3. Depending on the heatsink, replace it.
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November 2, 2010 11:50:52 AM

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yes.1
way to hot.
if so then read the to do list i posted and get back to us after it's done.
those temps are way too high to even have the system on....!


Yeah, depending on if its measuring the core temps or somewhere else, it could permenantly damage the CPU and literally melt. Its never good to go above 105 C, 120 C is generally the "YOUR SCREWED" point :lol: 
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November 2, 2010 11:51:37 AM

If i remember correctly, the alienware cases look great, yet have terrible airflow, is this right?
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November 2, 2010 11:51:51 AM

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let's focus on getting the rig stable first before you shoot for the moon..
walk before you run, get it.
my suggested upgrade and check list:
1.) clean and blow out case, compressed air and rubbing alcohol at least 90%
2.) thermal compound and heatsink for cpu - compound has to be AS5 or better in quality, available at radio shack.
use spread technique and not pin drop method.
3.) RAM - your at 4GB in a 2x2 or 4x1 set-up - just curious
4) if not going more than 4GB of RAM then it's kind of a toss-up if you move to a 64-bit version on Windows 7
so if staying at 4GB then just upgrade to Windows 7 32-bit

and im in a 2x2 i think but am not sure, theres 4 scicks of RAM in it. I know that for sure.
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