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July 13, 2010 8:32:03 PM

Hey!

Now, as the gtx 460 is out, the 5830 has finally got a suitable competitor... now as far as i can see, the 5830 is losing to the 460 1GB both in terms of performance ( raw fps or PCMark ) and power consumption + temperature... but for this, its 30$ cheaper now. But it also has eyefinity... so the lower price and the eyefinity really lures me towards the 5830, but if i sli 2 460s, can i be able to hook up 3 monitors just like they ran on eyefinity?

Thanks!

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a b U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 8:37:13 PM

You may as well wait a few months if you're edging towards the 5830 as prices will drop soon. I'd say go for the 460 as it outperfored/competed heavily with the 5830 in almost all games at normal resolutions (normal being 1080 thereabouts), has physx and cuda. If you get 2 in SLI, you'll be getting performance levels surpassing the 480 (and thus only bested by the 5970). Just make sure your PSU can support it.

I think there was a thread about this done already? Check next time, thanks.
a c 272 U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:34:24 PM

squallypie said:
but if i sli 2 460s, can i be able to hook up 3 monitors just like they ran on eyefinity?

Yes.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:41:37 PM

If the price is a concern go for the 192/768 version of the GTX 460. Same price as the HD5830 and still significantly better.
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:42:37 PM

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Avoid the 5830 like the Plague. Had one.. No voltage control, drivers sucked. Not worth it.

The GTX 460 is a better deal at that price point but just because you didn't research your card before hand to find out whether it had voltage control doesn't mean everyone else should avoid it :p 
a b U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:45:11 PM

Quote:
Avoid the 5830 like the Plague. Had one.. No voltage control, drivers sucked. Not worth it.


should be easy for you to say since you went from a single 5830 to quad 470's [:jaydeejohn:4]

just like when I upgraded from a x1600 to SLI 8800GTX 's :lol: 
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:54:37 PM

3 HD5830s... interesting choice. Why not go for 2 HD5850s instead?

Also when recommending the GTX 460 keep in mind not all of them have voltage control either from what notty was saying in another thread. Anyone have any idea which do and which don't? The MSI card says it on the box and I would assume the ASUS card does but I have no idea about the others.
a b U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 9:56:41 PM

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If only that were the case ovr. I had 3 5830's in Trifire. Each one was different. One overclocked to 985c, One to 925c, the last could only do 850c. I returned them all newegg and got a full refund thank god. I simply claimed false advertising because newegg had originally advertised them as having voltage control when they didn't.

They didn't perform THAT BAD in Trifire

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww252/2MCHBoost/trifireupdated.png


Let me guess Sapphire? lolz :D 

Anyways TRI-5830's is around 750.00$ (back when you purchased them) give or take, that's way too much money for cards that do not have voltage control.

With your current set-up you won't need anymore cards, hopefully :lol: 
July 13, 2010 9:58:05 PM

Thankyou so much for all the replies ( mousemonkey especially for clearin the sli question )!! gtx 460s all the way???
a b U Graphics card
July 13, 2010 10:16:14 PM

GTX460s scales very nicely in SLi. Their performance falls between the 5830 and the 5850, making them great bang for the buck.
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 12:29:43 AM

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Asus and MSI have Voltage control



YESSSSSS



I WISH it was that cheap bro. With overnight shipping it was around like 810. :lol: 

If i could Quad the 460's i would simply sell off the 470's in a heartbeat.



why DOWNGRADE???

you think you can get more OC threshold and lower temps with QUAD 460's?
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 12:35:06 AM

So NV is not going to release a 460 that is QUAD SLI'able ?

a c 173 U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 12:36:50 AM

unless you play a lot of crysis, in which case the 5830 seems to be a bit faster - as per the tomshardware 460 review
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 1:21:39 AM

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Hardware Canucks and Anand are the only real review's you need to read. Much love for you tom's but don't really care for your testing methods.



I disagree but hey!

problem with Canucks and Anand is the fact that they do not really test the AMD cards to the fullest. For example they love to test anything new that NV puts out and they praise it like no other but when its time to Max out a 5xxx series card and re-test with NV's same hardware they just back off and refuse to test the cards "mano a mano". They will test a nice 480 with some nice voltage tweaks against a HIS 5870 with no voltage control. Kinda unfair if you ask me :( 

Here is a nice example :




Canucks claims that my card gets 49FPS high/ 34FPS low

I tested this game at the exact same settings and I got around 64FPS high / 42FPS low (stock clocks 725/1000) with an x4 @ 3.8Ghz which is actually slower than what they were using :pfff: 

@ 1000/1275 I get over 80FPS, sometimes it can even hit 100FPS!!! Why doesn't Canucks show my outcome? Why can't these tests have the AMD GPU's OC'ed at around the same % as the NV cards just for the hell of it?

Canucks also says that the 460 falls short to the 5830 and 465 in Metro2033 with tes enabled.. you are going to tell me that a 5830 does better in tes than a 460 1Gb?

[:digitalprospecter:4]
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 1:59:47 AM

squallypie said:
Hey!

Now, as the gtx 460 is out, the 5830 has finally got a suitable competitor... now as far as i can see, the 5830 is losing to the 460 1GB both in terms of performance ( raw fps or PCMark ) and power consumption + temperature... but for this, its 30$ cheaper now. But it also has eyefinity... so the lower price and the eyefinity really lures me towards the 5830, but if i sli 2 460s, can i be able to hook up 3 monitors just like they ran on eyefinity?

Thanks!


Mousemonkey already answered your question I believe :) 

A single 5830 is not going to get you the best Eye-Finity experience unless you are using small monitors with low resolutions. On the other hand dual 460's will, it's basically faster than a single 480 in all aspects. Hope this helps ;) 
July 14, 2010 4:18:53 PM

wow thank you for the inputsssssss so all those charts were misleadin? -.- btw one more question, GTX 260 1GB < 5850 right?
Will the 5850 drop to 250$ range any time sooooon?
July 14, 2010 4:20:10 PM

GTX 460 OOPS! ( i always make this mistake... dunno why )
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 9:06:49 PM

Yes, the HD5850 is about 15% faster. I do suspect we will see the HD5850 come down to it's launch price within the next few months($260).
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 9:14:37 PM

you can get a 5850 right now at around 265.00$ with Bing Cash Back =)
July 14, 2010 9:22:45 PM

Get two 460's. Only 100 bucks more than a 5850 right now. That is my thought process anyway. Or wait until it drops in price and get the 5850. Two 460's will whoop the pants off of a 5850. And if you OC the 460's then even better. Anyone know of a CF 5850 setup benched against SLi'd 460's? Or any SLi' 460 benches for that matter?
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 9:45:41 PM

Fourth actually. SLIed GTX 460s aren't a "card."
a b U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 9:52:03 PM

would be nice if there was a similar chart with all those cards OC'ed =(
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 14, 2010 10:58:11 PM

Well the problem with that is that every card will OC to a different level. That said overclockersclub does reviews with benchmark charts for cards at stock as well as cards OCed. Not quite a chart like the one above but still informative. Here is their GTX 460 review;
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/inno3d_gtx460_1...
To see exactly what OC the other cards are at click on the links to their respective reviews from the testing setup/OC page.
July 15, 2010 9:53:02 AM

looking at the chart, 5850 is too darn expensive for the performance increase from the 460 but 5830 is no where to be seen... 460 is suppsed to be a good overclocker too? just wondering if it would work on my current psu which has 19A combined on 2 12v rails ... cpu is e6750 stock ( hopin to overclock without volage increase )... it would veeeeeeeeeeerrrryyyyyyy convenient if my psu is fine
July 15, 2010 9:54:42 AM

btw awesomeeeeeee build psychosaydie!! must be feelin like flyin a plane when using a computer :I
July 15, 2010 9:55:04 AM

your* computer.. darn why cant i edit messages
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 15, 2010 10:04:06 AM

squallypie said:
looking at the chart, 5850 is too darn expensive for the performance increase from the 460 but 5830 is no where to be seen... 460 is suppsed to be a good overclocker too? just wondering if it would work on my current psu which has 19A combined on 2 12v rails ... cpu is e6750 stock ( hopin to overclock without volage increase )... it would veeeeeeeeeeerrrryyyyyyy convenient if my psu is fine

19 amps on the +12v rails is quite poor. I wouldn't recommend a card that needs a power connector on that PSU.
a b U Graphics card
July 15, 2010 12:50:34 PM

squallypie said:
looking at the chart, 5850 is too darn expensive for the performance increase from the 460 but 5830 is no where to be seen... 460 is suppsed to be a good overclocker too? just wondering if it would work on my current psu which has 19A combined on 2 12v rails ... cpu is e6750 stock ( hopin to overclock without volage increase )... it would veeeeeeeeeeerrrryyyyyyy convenient if my psu is fine


The 5830 is $30 cheaper than the 460GTX and the Nvidia card wins slightly most the time
The 5850 is $60 more expensive over the 460GTX and wins notably almost all the time.

I would say the pricing is about perfect. The added advantage of the $60 extra for 5850 makes the difference between playing almost everything at max settings on 1920 x 1080 as opposed to playing some at max settings with the 460GTX
July 15, 2010 3:31:59 PM

asteldian said:
The 5830 is $30 cheaper than the 460GTX and the Nvidia card wins slightly most the time
The 5850 is $60 more expensive over the 460GTX and wins notably almost all the time.

I would say the pricing is about perfect. The added advantage of the $60 extra for 5850 makes the difference between playing almost everything at max settings on 1920 x 1080 as opposed to playing some at max settings with the 460GTX


new way to look at hardware pricing! :ouch: 
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 15, 2010 8:48:03 PM

asteldian said:
The 5830 is $30 cheaper than the 460GTX and the Nvidia card wins slightly most the time
The 5850 is $60 more expensive over the 460GTX and wins notably almost all the time.

It goes something like this;
HD5830 + 6% performance = GTX 460 192/768(same price)
GTX 460 192/768 + $30 + 8% performance = GTX 460 1gb/256
GTX 460 1gb/256 + $60 + 15% performance = HD5850
HD5850 + $5 + 7% performance = GTX 470

These numbers are based average performance at 1920x1200 as per techpowerup and the current lowest priced card on newegg. It really shows how Nvidia are squeezing ATI right now. The power/heat factor for the GTX 470 vs HD5850 still makes the HD5850 a reasonable choice but in terms of price vs performance ATI really needs to bring prices down to remain competitive at this point.
September 7, 2010 5:48:55 AM

I have a 5830 and when I first got it I wasn't impressed but then I overclocked it to 975/1300 and I am loving it, you can get a 5830 for 150$ after MIR before MIR 200$ on newegg. I think it's totally worth it but only if you overclock it. I am tempted to get a 2nd one, that or sell this and switch to nvidia because of phsyx and the tesselation performance seems better, I have always been ATI bias though.

What video card did you end up getting?
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 4:53:02 AM

5830 is suddenly the biggest overrated peice of *** on the web, and i just bought one. Where were all these opinions 3 months ago when the 5830 made my top list? Nowhere, it was well respected.

ATI has screwed me again. The starcraft performance is insanely underwhelming - my 50 dollar 8800GTOC runs starcraft better on ultra settings than the 5830! Unbelieveable, but there you have it.

It seems to me that ATI works as follows, and i have seen them do this 12 years ago when i got my first card and every time since then. In scenarios where the card is not stressed, it performs AMAZING, too smooth. However, the real test is when the card IS stressed, and this is where it shows its true colors - the ATI card falls apart. But guess what? If you 'average' the performance, you get a better overall 'average' performance than a 'similar' Nvidia card. The truth is that ATI cards do not actually perform better, they just OVER-PERFORM on easy tasks, creating the illusion of high performance and beating out stronger cards on benchmarks that work on averages (all of them), but when the power is really needed they underperform significantly. It seems to be some trick, some algorithm, some illusion of performance, and ATI has been getting away with it for over a decade now.

I dont really know how they pull this off, but the bottom line is that the 5830 nearly underperforms my 50 dollar 8800GTOC. Benchmarks wont show you this, they will show the 5830 out-performing the 8800GTOC by a mile. But the reality is right here in front of my face.

What can one do? Nothing, not a damn thing.


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