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Anonymous
December 24, 2004 6:25:47 AM

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I've heard of troubles with some games that if you buy a used copy and the
previous owner has used the serial, you can't play online. Any worries
like that for UT2K4? I've been thinking of buying a used copy from
Half.com but I definitely want to play online.
--
Mac Cool
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 6:25:48 AM

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Mac Cool wrote:
>
> I've heard of troubles with some games that if you buy a used copy and the
> previous owner has used the serial, you can't play online. Any worries
> like that for UT2K4? I've been thinking of buying a used copy from
> Half.com but I definitely want to play online.

I bought software through half.com. Once. The software (MS Office Mac)
turned out to be an educational copy, distributed only to and legally
usable only by students of the University of Pittsburg. Half.com was
unconcerned, I lost my money on illegitimate software. Never again.

If you shop around, you should be able to find it at $35, cheap for
peace of mind perhaps. Think of the many hours you'll play, making it a
pretty low cost per hour :) 

Lisa
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 9:32:47 AM

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Lisa Horton:

> I bought software through half.com. Once.

I've bought and sold hundreds of games and CDs through half.com and the
majority of sellers are exceptional IMO. People often have problems
because they buy from new sellers or don't check the feedback before
buying. There are bad sellers and you should steer away from anyone with
less than a 99% rating.

Anyway, I've heard that some games are unplayable by anyone other than the
first person to register the game online. I was just wondering if that
were true for UT2K4.

I've probably put it off too long. With HL2 out, many people will probably
jump ship. I was a hardcore UT player for almost 3 years and got burned on
that turd UT2003; so I put off buying UT2004 until now.
--
Mac Cool
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December 24, 2004 1:37:36 PM

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Mac Cool enlightened us with:
> I've bought and sold hundreds of games and CDs through half.com and
> the majority of sellers are exceptional IMO.

Just wondering: how can the majority of a group be exceptional?

> Anyway, I've heard that some games are unplayable by anyone other
> than the first person to register the game online. I was just
> wondering if that were true for UT2K4.

Nope. If you have a valid key and you're the only one using it, you
can play online without any trouble. It doesn't matter if you're the
first, second or tenth owner of that key.

MeltDown
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Anonymous
December 24, 2004 1:37:37 PM

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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:37:36 +0100, MeltDown wrote:

> Just wondering: how can the majority of a group be exceptional?

One US Presidential candidate swore that he would not stop "until all
workers had above average incomes."

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Anonymous
December 24, 2004 2:52:21 PM

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"{AGUT}DeadMan" <oldman1961@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:p an.2004.12.24.12.22.19.455327@hotmail.com...
| On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:37:36 +0100, MeltDown wrote:
|
| > Just wondering: how can the majority of a group be exceptional?
|
| One US Presidential candidate swore that he would not stop "until
all
| workers had above average incomes."
|
| --
| {AGUT}DeadMan
|

LMAO, and one claimed to have invented the internet.

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Best regards,
Kyle
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 2:52:22 PM

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"Kylesb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> LMAO, and one claimed to have invented the internet.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Kyle
>

no, that is a big misrepresentation taken out of context by the republican
elite to try to discredit him. He never did say that he invented the
internet.

His exact statement was;

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in
creating the internet"

this is somewhat true, if a little misleading. As a senator in the 80's
Gore did fight to get several different agencies using different networks to
create one "Interagency Network"

He managed to come up with the "High Performance Computing and
Communications Act" of 1991, the "Gore Act. It supported the National
Research and Education Network initiative that helped spread the internet
outside of the scope of schools and government science agencies.

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Anonymous
December 25, 2004 2:33:57 AM

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On 24 Dec 2004, you wrote in alt.games.unreal.tournament:

> Mac Cool enlightened us with:
>> I've bought and sold hundreds of games and CDs through half.com and
>> the majority of sellers are exceptional IMO.
>
> Just wondering: how can the majority of a group be exceptional?

I define 'group' in this sense as people who use an online service to sell
whatever widgets they sell (e.g. Amazon, ebay, Half). So a majority of
Half can be exceptional. I'm exaggerating a bit but the point being that I
have had the least troubles buying from folks on Half.

> Nope. If you have a valid key and you're the only one using it, you
> can play online without any trouble. It doesn't matter if you're the
> first, second or tenth owner of that key.

So basically if I buy used I'm at the mercy of the original owner... well
Half has the DVD new for $25 + shipping, sounds good enough.
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Mac Cool
December 27, 2004 6:53:29 PM

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Mac Cool <Mac@2cool.com> wrote in
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> I've heard of troubles with some games that if you buy a used copy and
> the previous owner has used the serial, you can't play online. Any
> worries like that for UT2K4? I've been thinking of buying a used copy
> from Half.com but I definitely want to play online.

No UT games use a serial number that I'm aware of. Early versions did a
CD check to see if it was in the drive before running the game, but no
online authentication was done.

Of course, I've only played original UT, not any of the iterations with a
year appended to the name.


stePH
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December 27, 2004 7:07:56 PM

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On 27 Dec 2004 15:53:29 GMT, stePH <acetheta@earthlink.net> wrote:

>No UT games use a serial number that I'm aware of. Early versions did a
>CD check to see if it was in the drive before running the game, but no
>online authentication was done.

There are authentication numbers in UT2003&4.

>Of course, I've only played original UT, not any of the iterations with a
>year appended to the name.

That is blatantly obvious.
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Anonymous
December 31, 2004 1:39:32 AM

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Lisa Horton <Lisa091704@lisahorton.net> Blessed us with
news:41CB99FE.B6C68571@lisahorton.net:

> I bought software through half.com. Once. The software (MS
> Office Mac) turned out to be an educational copy, distributed
> only to and legally usable only by students of the University of
> Pittsburg. Half.com was unconcerned, I lost my money on
> illegitimate software. Never again.
>
> If you shop around, you should be able to find it at $35, cheap
> for peace of mind perhaps. Think of the many hours you'll play,
> making it a pretty low cost per hour :) 

I will agree with this only if you already have a $3000 dollar
machine to run UT2k4 on. However if you are like me and the probably
millions of other people that can't afford to spend $3000 dollars on
a machine capable of running UT2k4 at a mere 15 frames per second and
then the $35 dollars to buy the game then I think it is a very very
high "cost per hour"!.

--
J
"Best?? Only a fool will assume they're the best."
Mr.K

For questions you may have concerning UT, UT2003, or UT2004.
http://www.unrealtower.org/faq
Anonymous
December 31, 2004 1:39:33 AM

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JHall wrote:
>
> Lisa Horton <Lisa091704@lisahorton.net> Blessed us with
> news:41CB99FE.B6C68571@lisahorton.net:
>
> > I bought software through half.com. Once. The software (MS
> > Office Mac) turned out to be an educational copy, distributed
> > only to and legally usable only by students of the University of
> > Pittsburg. Half.com was unconcerned, I lost my money on
> > illegitimate software. Never again.
> >
> > If you shop around, you should be able to find it at $35, cheap
> > for peace of mind perhaps. Think of the many hours you'll play,
> > making it a pretty low cost per hour :) 
>
> I will agree with this only if you already have a $3000 dollar
> machine to run UT2k4 on. However if you are like me and the probably
> millions of other people that can't afford to spend $3000 dollars on
> a machine capable of running UT2k4 at a mere 15 frames per second and
> then the $35 dollars to buy the game then I think it is a very very
> high "cost per hour"!.
>

I'm not sure of your point. Granted, you need a bit of horsepower to
run it, but you can build a $2K machine that will get more than adequate
framerate with decent eye candy.

OTOH, if you do not posess a machine capable of running it at an
acceptable framerate, then I would think that purchasing the game might
not be a wise decision, considering you'll get zero hours for your $35.

Lisa
Anonymous
December 31, 2004 8:41:12 AM

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Lisa Horton <Lisa091704@lisahorton.net> Blessed us with
news:41D4C334.EE32AD0D@lisahorton.net:


>
> I'm not sure of your point. Granted, you need a bit of
> horsepower to run it, but you can build a $2K machine that will
> get more than adequate framerate with decent eye candy.

Well I wasn't trying to make a point just expand upon yours or add
another dimension to the point you had already stated. :)  Which was
a good point but I'm fairly sure there are lots of people like me out
there that just can't justify spending $2000 plus the $35 for the
game to be able to play it. I could be wrong about this as I have
not researched it and I could be the only one. :( 

> OTOH, if you do not posess a machine capable of running it at an
> acceptable framerate, then I would think that purchasing the
> game might not be a wise decision, considering you'll get zero
> hours for your $35.
>
> Lisa

lol :)  Well this is my opinion only and I don't want to sound like
a jackass here because I'm not trying to but spending $2035 for a
game is a bit much. However if I find myself sometime in the future
with a much better machine I would certainly consider buying the
game. I may have to buy a new machine sometime in the future for
something else and if I do I'll also try to think about adding
hardware and software to it to play games like UT2004. I would love
to try playing that game but I only have the original UT and it is
the best fps game I've played to date!. :D  Lots of action, great
gameplay, and even UT is a bit hard on my present equipment but I
still try to play. Well I also have UT2003 but it doesn't run too
good at all on my rig. :(  I will keep UT2003 though because there
is the possibility that I could end up with a better setup in the
future.

Cheerz

--
J
"Best?? Only a fool will assume they're the best."
Mr.K

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http://www.unrealtower.org/faq
Anonymous
December 31, 2004 1:42:28 PM

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JHall wrote:
>
> Lisa Horton <Lisa091704@lisahorton.net> Blessed us with
> news:41D4C334.EE32AD0D@lisahorton.net:
>
> >
> > I'm not sure of your point. Granted, you need a bit of
> > horsepower to run it, but you can build a $2K machine that will
> > get more than adequate framerate with decent eye candy.
>
> Well I wasn't trying to make a point just expand upon yours or add
> another dimension to the point you had already stated. :)  Which was
> a good point but I'm fairly sure there are lots of people like me out
> there that just can't justify spending $2000 plus the $35 for the
> game to be able to play it. I could be wrong about this as I have
> not researched it and I could be the only one. :( 

I hear you. I did spend $550 once to play a game, $50 for the game, the
rest for a used PC. It was worth it too :) 

I'm dead certain you are correct, and not the only one who can afford a
$2000 PC.

>
> > OTOH, if you do not posess a machine capable of running it at an
> > acceptable framerate, then I would think that purchasing the
> > game might not be a wise decision, considering you'll get zero
> > hours for your $35.
> >
> > Lisa
>
> lol :)  Well this is my opinion only and I don't want to sound like
> a jackass here because I'm not trying to but spending $2035 for a
> game is a bit much. However if I find myself sometime in the future
> with a much better machine I would certainly consider buying the
> game. I may have to buy a new machine sometime in the future for
> something else and if I do I'll also try to think about adding
> hardware and software to it to play games like UT2004. I would love
> to try playing that game but I only have the original UT and it is
> the best fps game I've played to date!. :D  Lots of action, great
> gameplay, and even UT is a bit hard on my present equipment but I
> still try to play. Well I also have UT2003 but it doesn't run too
> good at all on my rig. :(  I will keep UT2003 though because there
> is the possibility that I could end up with a better setup in the
> future.
>

I am sympathetic. It was my good fortune that I got into UT soon after
doing a computer upgrade, something that happens only every few years.
I may be in real trouble when UT2006 or UT2007 comes out :) 

It does occur to me though, that it MAY be possible that a newer video
card might allow you to play more modern games, and you can get a good
midrange card for $200.

Lisa
Anonymous
January 1, 2005 3:19:19 AM

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Lisa Horton wrote:
>
> JHall wrote:
>
>>Lisa Horton <Lisa091704@lisahorton.net> Blessed us with
>>news:41D4C334.EE32AD0D@lisahorton.net:
>>
>>
>>>I'm not sure of your point. Granted, you need a bit of
>>>horsepower to run it, but you can build a $2K machine that will
>>>get more than adequate framerate with decent eye candy.
>>
>>Well I wasn't trying to make a point just expand upon yours or add
>>another dimension to the point you had already stated. :)  Which was
>>a good point but I'm fairly sure there are lots of people like me out
>>there that just can't justify spending $2000 plus the $35 for the
>>game to be able to play it. I could be wrong about this as I have
>>not researched it and I could be the only one. :( 
>
>
> I hear you. I did spend $550 once to play a game, $50 for the game, the
> rest for a used PC. It was worth it too :) 
>
> I'm dead certain you are correct, and not the only one who can afford a
> $2000 PC.
>
>
>>>OTOH, if you do not posess a machine capable of running it at an
>>>acceptable framerate, then I would think that purchasing the
>>>game might not be a wise decision, considering you'll get zero
>>>hours for your $35.
>>>
>>>Lisa
>>
>>lol :)  Well this is my opinion only and I don't want to sound like
>>a jackass here because I'm not trying to but spending $2035 for a
>>game is a bit much. However if I find myself sometime in the future
>>with a much better machine I would certainly consider buying the
>>game. I may have to buy a new machine sometime in the future for
>>something else and if I do I'll also try to think about adding
>>hardware and software to it to play games like UT2004. I would love
>>to try playing that game but I only have the original UT and it is
>>the best fps game I've played to date!. :D  Lots of action, great
>>gameplay, and even UT is a bit hard on my present equipment but I
>>still try to play. Well I also have UT2003 but it doesn't run too
>>good at all on my rig. :(  I will keep UT2003 though because there
>>is the possibility that I could end up with a better setup in the
>>future.
>>
>
>
> I am sympathetic. It was my good fortune that I got into UT soon after
> doing a computer upgrade, something that happens only every few years.
> I may be in real trouble when UT2006 or UT2007 comes out :) 
>
> It does occur to me though, that it MAY be possible that a newer video
> card might allow you to play more modern games, and you can get a good
> midrange card for $200.
>
> Lisa
$200? thats about £10 HA HA HA
Anonymous
January 1, 2005 6:38:47 AM

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MeltDown wrote:
> Mac Cool enlightened us with:
>
>>I've bought and sold hundreds of games and CDs through half.com and
>>the majority of sellers are exceptional IMO.
>
>
> Just wondering: how can the majority of a group be exceptional?

Erm, why couldn't they? If the group was exceptional? Presuming your
objection is one of averages....
January 1, 2005 7:29:40 PM

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[Fitz]Tutenkamu{AGUT} enlightened us with:
> Erm, why couldn't they? If the group was exceptional? Presuming
> your objection is one of averages....

Well, they can of course be exceptional when compared to people
outside the group.

MeltDown
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Anonymous
January 2, 2005 4:56:58 PM

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MeltDown wrote:
> [Fitz]Tutenkamu{AGUT} enlightened us with:
>
>>Erm, why couldn't they? If the group was exceptional? Presuming
>>your objection is one of averages....
>
>
> Well, they can of course be exceptional when compared to people
> outside the group.
>
> MeltDown

9 people in a group could be miles better than 1 other person in that
group. I guess you would be arguing that they would then be considered
average for that group :) 
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