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June 28, 2011 2:13:40 PM

Yeah, as the title says, there's something that's eating up my precious RAM... I have 4gb of perfectly fine RAM, but even when I'm idling, half of it is used up. this started ever since I overloaded a server I was hosting after setting it's priority to Realtime. Even after several reboots, the problem still persists. Like 47% of it is taken up. And on another PC, 25% is taken up., even when idling.

So, is it a virus that I'm missing, or just normal? 25% may be normal, but I'm pretty sure 47% isn't normal, especially for an idling computer. :o 

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June 28, 2011 2:42:43 PM

It depends on what you're running, how many start up Apps are running, background updates, etc. I my 6GB Windows 7 Pro x64 it's not unusual to have 27% -- to your 40%~50%. Next even if you have a discrete GPU it uses 'shared' RAM from your 4GB. In my example I have several large Apps open Outlook, Internet Explorer, Word, etc.

What do you mean by "ever since I overloaded a server I was hosting after setting it's priority to Realtime" if you mean prioritizing some 'Server App' then change it back to Normal.

See images below:
Note 27% of 6GB
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/RM_7P...
Note 'Shared'
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/WEI_H...
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June 28, 2011 2:47:26 PM

Wow, coolio. Yeah, as I said before. I opened task manager and saw no background apps. My pc starts up with skype and msn, but I usually close them when they open. So nothing should be running. And the 'server app' is a java console. I have long closed it, and with my statement, I meant whether I might have "corrupted" my RAM after setting it to Realtime.

Also, I've heard of "leaky apps" that don't give back the RAM they use after they close, although no clear solution is available. Thoughts?
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June 28, 2011 2:57:22 PM

I'd start with running MSCONFIG and look at two places: 1. Services tab then select [x] Hide all Microsoft Services, and 2. Startup tab ; This is the 'junk' that's running over and above Windows.

Example, from #1 above deselect ALL non Microsoft, and #2 deselect ALL Startup items, then restart. Now compare. To put it all back simply select Normal Startup.

edit: Regarding 'Memory Leaks' yeah sure there are plenty of Apps that do this, JAVA being one of them. The only way to determine is to restart and document the memory sizes and then to run the Apps {open, close} and compare afterwards. Guessing in a forum is impossible.
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June 28, 2011 2:59:45 PM

If you want some screenies of my system specs, I'd be glad to post them for ya. And if you're gonna say task manager may be inaccurate, which I know it can sometimes be, I have checked it with 3 other apps, A widget from ASUS, CPU-ID and one more.

BEsides, I may have left this fact out, but I'm running on a 32-bit OS Windows 7 Home Premium. Thnx for the quick reply anyway
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June 28, 2011 3:10:30 PM

See the 'edit' above. As far as ANY ASUS utility I don't recommend them at all and they are known to cause issues especially IF BIOS invasive. The 32 vs 64 bit isn't that much different and even with ANY 64-bit OS there's plenty of 32-bit Apps running.

Screen shots, sure it's the easiest way to 'see' but I do not by any stretch know even most of the Apps that leak or change memory sizes back an forth. A leak takes sometime to realize and the method I posted above is the best and most logical approach.

IMO - I have a rule of installing - if I REALLY don't needed it it doesn't ever get installed on my 'Production' PC at least. Next if I'm having an issue that's costing me too much time -- poof -- format and re-install. It takes me less time to start from scratch than hours to find a problem.
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June 29, 2011 11:55:08 AM

Thnx for the tutorial! Will try tonight, looks much better. I'll probably go with running the server console again and see whether it goes back down to normal. And I haven't changed any of the startup programs for nearly a year now. Also, the programs that I run aren't taking up much memory from what i see.

I didn't know that logic applied to computers, as I sometimes use it in real life. Well, I cant do anything if I can't access my PC. In addition, there seems to be an anooying bug that came at the same time as this problem. I can't seem to be able to have a stable connection to my home network, unlike last time where I had a rock-solid connection.

Is this 'cos of not having enough RAM? Seems possible. And could this be a trojan of sorts? AVG hasn't found anything though.....

What? you format everytime you have a problem? Doesn't that take more time than fixing it? Or do you mean restoring it to an earlier point in time? THat's much more convenient. Once more, thanks a lot for helping me out here. REally grateful
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June 29, 2011 1:38:19 PM

I'm not alone in my thinking, logical, life, PC, etc -> http://www.jpedal.org/PDFblog/2011/03/java-jai-image-io... you have to compare and eliminate variables. Keep in mind I run everything from a hardcore gaming rig, the Workstations, to servers and I have different attitudes. rules, with each.

If an App opens up whatever, other Apps, libraries, services, etc upon closing all those should close/shutdown as well.

AVG is horrible, try ESET Online Scanner -> http://www.eset.com/us/online-scanner and maybe Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware -> http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/malwarebytes_free if you suspect a Trojan, Malware or any Virus.
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June 29, 2011 2:26:48 PM

Ok, I'm getting a bit sick of all this, and since no programs were installed recently, what would you say to a system restore, to an earlier point in time? I think that would do the trick, as it usually does for me. I tried the msconfig startup with only windows essential services, still the same.

Isn't AVG good? I know it detects keygens and sorts as viruses but thats normal. Whats the difference of all these others? As far as I know, most online scanners just spoof up some random problems and ask you to pay for a program that can fix all those. erghh.... hate those.
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June 29, 2011 2:32:11 PM

Oh right, and just to confirm, 25% of RAM used when running several widgets, using CHrome with several tabs right?
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June 29, 2011 2:46:18 PM

It's since 'no programs that YOU installed' which has nothing to do with background auto-updater(s) that do it FOR you.

Chrome is great I love the spell check and love that a Tab won't kill all the other Tab(s), using it now, but to do that every Tab is it's own thread in Window's resource manager.

Sure, a System Restore is a good idea, go back a FEW days prior to the problem.

Remember my 'poof' statements, been there ;) 

Let me know and Good Luck!
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June 29, 2011 2:52:37 PM

Hey! I'm done with the system restore that I did, going back a whole 2 WEEKS! Yeah, I know that's a lot, right? But since there were no problems then, I went on with it.

But, of course, an error pops up after the restore and says it did not complete properly. I should have copied the error shouldn't it? Stupid me, I didn't. Now I'm going back a few months to see what happens, and as a last resort, I'm always ready to do a full restore, It had always needed one anyway :p .

Sry if I've been saying this a lot of times, but thanks a lot for ur help n encouragement, it's really helpful! ;)  And yeah, I love Chrome too :p 

EDIT: Right, I forgot to add that when it restarted after the restore, the RAM usage was at around 30% but slowly climbed back to 50%, stupid PC
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a c 347 } Memory
June 29, 2011 4:51:11 PM

A failed System Restore - 1. Virus corrupted the files and/or 'exe' registry values, etc, 2. Windows Service Pack and/or sometimes a Hotfix that cannot be 'undone.'

Try booting off your Windows DVD, F8 and choose System Restore -> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/What-are-th...

Alternative = SOL = Re-install OS... :( 
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June 29, 2011 11:58:21 PM

Nooooooo,..... yeah, I''m probably gonna do a full system restore. IF I can get my disc back from my friend. Lol. I'm feeling so dang depressed right now, with my mathematics exam coming up right after this... *sigh* Cya ltr
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June 30, 2011 9:22:19 AM

Any thoughts?
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June 30, 2011 11:51:59 AM

Sry for my blindness, but I didn't see ur instructions. Yeah, I currently can't find my windows disc, so I'll have to do a little searching. Oh right, could it be some bad RAM? Should I run memtest? Just a possibility.

Also, my friend today suggested that my disk was fragmented and Windows Disk Defragmenter isn't an all too good defragmenter. So, since I believe you're the more professional one here, what do u say to this, eh?
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June 30, 2011 1:36:04 PM

Nothing, really?
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June 30, 2011 4:00:40 PM

Everything suggests this problem is caused by something in Windows.

As above try:
1. I'd start with running MSCONFIG and look at two places: 1. Services tab then select [x] Hide all Microsoft Services, and 2. Startup tab ; This is the 'junk' that's running over and above Windows ;

2. ESET Online Scanner -> http://www.eset.com/us/online-scanner and maybe Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware -> http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/malwarebytes_free if you suspect a Trojan, Malware or any Virus ;

3. Windows DVD, F8 and choose System Restore -> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/What-are-th... ;

4. Re-install Windows

Running Memtest86+ is fine, create a bootable CD/DVD using the ISO/zip file and perform 2~4 passes -> http://www.memtest.org/

Beyond that I have no more ideas, other than don't use warez sites and their Apps ;) 
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July 1, 2011 1:23:11 AM

Oh, ok. :p  Sry I didn't really pay much notice to them. I'll try running it in diagnostics mode again. Also, the internet is REALLY slow there so whenever I use it it disconnects. I'm gonna have to wing it today.

Ermm, yeah. Well, I don't really HAVE my windows disc, it didn't come with it for some reason. LOl,

Hrmm, any ideas on how to restore windows without the disc? Thnx a lot, eh.

And what's warez? Haven't heard of it.
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July 1, 2011 2:24:42 AM

If your OS didn't come your PC in the form of a DVD, Win 7, then if it's an OEM PC then there sould be a 'Recovery Partition' so you can recover and re-install to back to original state. I strongly recommend that you backup all data before running any recovery ;) 
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July 1, 2011 6:13:58 AM

Oh, Original Equipment Manufacturer? Odd.... Haven't seen the partition anywhere. What sub-category is it under in control panel? And I'm gonna have to leave my computer on for a while, since theres a few hundred G of stuff. gGAHHH

Well, its better than nothing. But, just another question, what makes you think the problem is related to windows?
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a c 347 } Memory
July 1, 2011 2:03:09 PM

A Memory Leak would go bye-bye if you run MSCONFIG -> Diagnostic, and Memory Leaks have nothing to do with the BIOS {check Memory protection enabled}, RAM or any hardware - it's a software problem. Worst, MSCONFIG -> Diagnostic not fixing the problem suggest a corrupted registry and IMO from a Torjan or other Virus.

From a hardware perspective the RAM either works or it doesn't, and if all of the RAM is showing-up to Windows and passes Memtest --- it leaves nothing else but software.

You can 'try' the first option on the top by right-clicking on C, schedule SFC, and reboot.
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July 2, 2011 3:08:35 PM

Oh....... ok then. ANd sry for the late reply, my internet's refusing to work. I'm currently at my neighbours house, so I'll make this quick.

I tried running in diagnostic mode again with only windows services, and this time it was normal, at around 200mb of RAM ( is it? ) Thn I used normal setup, and it was only at around 800mb, with nothing open. When skype and internet explorer are open, then it rises to nearly 1500mb. The processesin Task Manager don't add up, so am I missing something here?

Yeah, I'll run through everything above once more to be sure. Will check back tmr, thnx.

PS: Hw do you post pics in these forums? I'm befuddled
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July 2, 2011 3:38:10 PM

I don't run Skype but 1GB seems rather high; see -> http://www.sevenforums.com/software/108734-skype-uses-t...

Photos:
1. Open a free account at http://photobucket.com/
2. Screen shot for the entire screen is 'PrtScn' w/F.Lock 'on' and ALt + PrtScn for a individual window.
3. Use a photo App e.g. Paint, Paste, and Save As a JPEG image.
4. Upload to Photo Bucket
5. In Photo Buck click in the 'IMG code' space below the image or use the following:
format.
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July 3, 2011 1:59:20 PM

Ouch..... Seems like the problem there is about drivers? I dunno, could be. But it was running fine for nearly 3 years, so why is it acting up so suddenly?

Ok, seems simple enough. Btw, I have fraps and Snipping tool, which makes things all easier.

Is this considered wrong if I direct you to another thread that I need help with? If it is, I'm sorry and will remove it ASAP. But in the meantime, please help me out here;

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/35201-42-router-refus...
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July 3, 2011 2:00:25 PM

Going back to the problem, I think a full restore would do good, wouldn't it? I don't know, as I have my hands pretty full with the problem above.
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July 3, 2011 2:35:16 PM

As I stated before, screwing around for days now when you'd already be clean and running pretty --

IMO - I have a rule of installing - if I REALLY don't needed it it doesn't ever get installed on my 'Production' PC at least. Next if I'm having an issue that's costing me too much time -- [b said:
poof -- format and re-install. It takes me less time to start from scratch than hours to find a problem.]IMO - I have a rule of installing - if I REALLY don't needed it it doesn't ever get installed on my 'Production' PC at least. Next if I'm having an issue that's costing me too much time -- poof -- format and re-install. It takes me less time to start from scratch than hours to find a problem.
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July 4, 2011 3:38:29 AM

Right,right. Well, here goes all my work. :p  Or maybe..... I'm gonna leave this problem alone and let it be. That sounds viable, right?
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July 4, 2011 3:01:53 PM

As long as your PC runs at an acceptable performance level and doesn't crash then sure leave it alone :) 
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July 5, 2011 1:38:08 AM

Sure, will do :p 

And why was one of my threads deleted?
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July 5, 2011 1:53:43 PM

Don't know, if it was a Duplicate then a Moderator would delete it.
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July 7, 2011 6:20:48 AM

I'm sure it wasn't a duplicate. Could the forum be hacked? Cos another thread of mine was just deleted. And no warning was given to me
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July 7, 2011 2:49:58 PM

I'd know, the Tom's site wasn't hacked. If the post also was filled with 'hate' or 'fowl language' then yeah they'd edit or delete it.

What is/was the link?
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