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Value Gaming PC: intel SSD, c2duo, 4gb ram

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August 18, 2010 11:39:48 PM

Going for a reliable, value gaming PC, so I picked older pieces with lots of newegg reviews: socket 775 motherboard/CPU + DDR2 RAM over an i5 or i7 build.
Thanks for any help. The questions are at the bottom. My main concerns are getting RAM that works without having to change any BIOS settings (“plug and play” RAM), and whether or not I should wait for out of stock pieces.
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CPU
$195 e8500 3.16ghz dual core CPU Model:BX80570E8500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I think dual over quad, because faster cores and less power/heat.
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MOTHERBOARD
$90 GA-EP45-UD3L (“OUT OF STOCK”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$80 GA-EP43-UD3L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I choose gigabyte over asus, because it seems more reliable and better performing. The first mobo has a p45 chipset, which is suppsedly a little better for overclocking.
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RAM
$105 g.skill 2x2gb DDR2 800 F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B, 450 newegg reviews, 5star avg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$90 g.skill 2x2gb DDR2 800 F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ, 2400 newegg reviews, 5star avg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The $105 RAM seems to be newer, has listed timings of 4-4-4-12, and has 1 reviewer saying he used it with GA-EP43-UD3L, the older P43 version of the motherboard I want.
The $90 RAM has listed timings of 5-5-5-15 and has 2 reviewers saying they used it with GA- EP45-UD3L, the motherboard I want but is out of stock.
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HARD DRIVE, PRIMARY
$220 Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2XX (“OUT OF STOCK”, this is item N82E16820167027)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
$230 Intel X25-M SSDSA2M080G2XXX (newegg note: “Discontinued, replaced by N82E16820167027”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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HARD DRIVE FOR STORAGE
$110 Western Digital 1.5TB Caviar Black Model:WD1501FASS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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VIDEO CARD
$190 Radeon HD 4890 Model:HD-489X-ZSFC (“OUT OF STOCK”)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or $200+ Radeon HD 5830?
Or $160+ Radeon HD 5770?
Toms hardware charts FPS charts show 4890 performing equally with 5830. I choose 4890 because it may be more reliable. Some bad recent reviews for the 5830s on newegg. 4890 and 5830 performed better than 5770.
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POWER SUPPLY
$110 Corsair 750W PSU Model:CMPSU-750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'd like the 750W over 650W just to be safe with these monster video cards that use a lot of energy.
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CPU COOLER:
$35 Xigmatek HDT-S1283 CPU fan/heatsink
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Not planning to overclock. I just want to be safe.
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CASE:
$60 Cooler Master 690 Mid Tower ATX case Model:RC-690-KKN1-GP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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OPERATING SYSTEM
XP 32 bit
or
Win 7 64 bit?

Total, with first choice for each, excluding OS price, is $1115.
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Questions:
1. A GA-EP43-UD3L motherboard reviewer said he used F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B RAM with his build(which is why I want to get that RAM). Should the RAM also work for GA-EP45-UD3L(the P45 mobo I'd rather get)? Likewise, if a reviewer says such and such ram works for GA-EP45-UD3R or GA-EP45-UD3P, should it also work for GA-EP43-UD3L and GA-EP45-UD3L?

2. Should I wait for the P45 gigabyte motherboard, the newer X25M SSD, and the HD 4890 to be in stock, or go with the alternatives? Anyone know how long it will take them to come back in stock, or know of any website that tracks newegg item availability history? And which memory and OS should I get?

3. Why did newegg stop selling GA-EP45-UR3R and GA-EP45-UD3P motherboards? Those were a couple of their most popular boards.

4. Does anyone have a link for G.skill's RAM naming scheme?

5. Will 5-5-5-15 DDR2 800 ram be faster than 6-6-6-18 DDR2 1066 RAM? Will it be faster than 6-6-6-18 DDR3 1066 RAM?

6. Does anyone know the difference between the above 2 solid state disks? And does anyone know the difference in performance/features between the older SSDSA2MH080G2C1/ SSDSA2MH080G2R5 and the newer SSDSA2M080G2GC / SSDSA2M080G2GN?

8. These HD 4XXX and 5XXX video cards say they require at least a 500W PSU. Should I go with an 850W PSU to be safe or is 750 fine? Using only 1 video card. Using 2 hard drives: 1 traditional and 1 intel SSD.

9. Why I haven't been able to find sites with graphs showing XP performing better than 7? After googling “win 7 vs xp”, the sites from the first two pages of google have graphs showing win 7 performing about equal with xp, but a good amount of commenters at the bottom say things like xp is better than 7 in every way. (e.g. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_revi... ) If that's true, how come I didn't find any sites with graphs showing XP performing significantly better?

10. It seems like newegg offers weekly discounts and combo deals on their items that don't sell so well. Would it not make them more money to offer deals on items that do sell well?

11. How high could this build be overclocked? What about with 1066 RAM? And with what FSB speeds? Or is it better to keep the RAM timings low?

12. Does anyone know a good place I can get a new $300 - $500 laptop that has win XP installed instead of 7 or vista? Or if I already own a copy of XP, can I install it on any new laptop? Would anyone recommend ebay for buying a used laptop?
August 19, 2010 2:18:46 AM

This should probably be in the new build section.

You do realize that you could get a I5 750 for the same price as that core2duo, and only pay about $20-40 more for a mobo that fits it? DDR3 ram would cost the same as the DDR2. For instance, Starcraft 2 a recent game that came out recommends a 2.4ghz dual core processor. That's not leaving a lot of longevity for your new system. Plus within a year or 2 you're going to see a lot more applications taking advantage of quad core now that it's more mainstream.

You may want to look at the 1gb 460gtx if you want to spend around $200 for a graphics card. Especially if you're going to OC and plan to SLI in the future.

I'm guessing you're building this system for gaming and plan to SLI or want to have the option for it in the future.

Also, you should probably go with the 64 bit OS to take full advantage of the 4gb and go with Win7 for future applications. Eventually applications are going to move away from WinXP.
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August 19, 2010 9:56:15 AM

This topic has been moved from the section Video Games to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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August 19, 2010 12:04:32 PM

This system is possibly the best value systemfor gaming right now.


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MSI NF980-G65 AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

COOLER MASTER NV 690 NV-690C-KWN2-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Rosewill Green Series RG700-S12 700W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified,Single 12V Rail,Active PFC"Compatible with Core i7, ...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX445WFGMBOX

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

ZOTAC ZT-40402-10P GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

and a Starcraft II trial.

$749 before rebate. $729 after.

Add Windows for $99 and at $839, it'll outperform your $1115 system at every single game.

add a 64GB SSD for a boot drive, for another $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and voila, a blazing fast system for $984, still $30 cheaper
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August 19, 2010 1:07:32 PM

Building a value PC and having an SSD don't go together. I actually already posted a reply to this in another thread you made (I assume you keep making more because you don't realise it keeps getting moved). Sadly I cannot find it but:

i5 760 + Rosewill case - $243
Asus P7P55D E Pro - $160
Corsair 750W - $90 after rebate
GTX 460 (1gb) - $230
HDD Samsung Spinpoint F3 1tb - $75
4gb G Skill ECO 1600mhz RAM - $103
Zalmer cooler - $40

Total: $941
That's $174 cheaper than your build of old technology. You have a mobo with USB/SATA III and Crossfire. A very good GPU which when SLI'd is amazing. You even have enough money for a small SSD if you want it
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