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November 5, 2010 8:04:35 AM

Hi all,

I'm in the middle of planning a build that will take place in the next 2 to 3 weeks, the build in question will be either based on these two:

AMD Phenom II x4 965*
GTX 460

OR

Intel i5 760*
GTX 460

Now budget is a real issue with this build, in my mind I'm aiming to get the PC working without some features for 2 weeks, then maybe finish it up with the less critical components by December.

For the case I'm looking at spending no more than around £45 - PSU budget is maxed out at about £55.

Options I've seen (and liked) are:

Antec 300: £50
Antec VSK 2000: £35 - I like the design & looks on this one
Thermaltake V3: £30


Only issue with the VSK2000 is the top mounted PSU, I'd prefer to have it on the bottom. Any advice would be appreciated!

* Motherboards will be ATX

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November 5, 2010 8:10:21 AM

Also: Forgot to add in the PSU I'm planning to get.

OCZ stealthextreme2 600w

Any opinions on this? I'm currently running one of the original stealthextremes at 400w and it's been nothing but reliable.
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November 5, 2010 8:44:27 AM

Phenom II + HD 6870? Anyway this month the new HD 6850/6870 will show up. Better give the entire budget.
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November 5, 2010 9:21:17 AM

For me I will choose any with the two: AMD Phenom II x4 965, GTX 460 or Intel i5 760 and GTX 460. For PSU Antec, Corsair 500W. For casing Coolermaster or Corsair 600T. You better made your mind coz december is a new experience their are lots of products coming out and next year lots more.
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November 5, 2010 10:00:27 AM

My main budget is about £620/50 not including operating system. Bare in mind this is also trying to stretch to cooling, hard drive and optical. I have a couple of 120gb HDD's and a DVD drive for a temporary solution. But core components are taking priority.

Anyone know if the low end Antec cases are any good? As for PSU I'm planning either 500 or 600 watt and so far I believe the ol' OCZ might be where I go. Found a corsair 500w for the same price but would the 600 OCZ be worth it?

I know the i5 performs about a bit better than the AMD and I'm still on the fence but I'm going to work that one out nearer the time. Right now I'm interested in PSU and case as I'm getting them before the CPU, mobo & ram.

So total budget for case & PSU should be at about £100, give or take £10. Total budget for in case cooling is £20/25.

I might add that even the AMD will beat the living *** out of my current pc which if I'm honest it still performs well on newer games. I cannot salvage anything from it though as I'm giving it to my sister so she can play her damn Sims 3.
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November 5, 2010 10:05:09 AM

mosox said:
Phenom II + HD 6870? Anyway this month the new HD 6850/6870 will show up. Better give the entire budget.


You recommended that to me yesterday, still on the fence with it. It's £200 opposed to £150 for a 6870. I'm tempted but still unsure. Been using Nvidia for the past 3 years now, before that was on an ATI and other than the ATI drivers being *** I liked it.
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November 5, 2010 1:03:28 PM

davcon said:
Three Hundred - £44.32 inc. VAT
http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID...

OCZ Fatal1ty Series 550W - £52.93 inc. VAT
http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID...

OZC Fatal1ty units are modular and use higher quality components then Steath or Mod X units.



Will have to have a look into them, I'm planning to get most of the components in at a local component store. They can usually get anything in to order so I'll probably drop in sometime and get a quote for it. Best part is if you can prove another supplier (online or not) is doing the same thing for less they'll cut the cost.
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November 5, 2010 1:38:52 PM

Hello, I would deffinatly go for the i5 and gtx, but keep in mind the new AMD cards. I have used ATI for over 5years with not 1 driver issue. As for your case I have had a Antec 300 Illusion for about three months and I could not be happier, it is a Antec 300 with fans installed at factory, so slightly higher price saves money on cooling in the long run. The 300 has good air-flow and quality design, and also the Cooler Master HAF are very popular for thier air-flow, check out these links for cases in your price range also:

Part 1: Four Gaming Enclosures Under $50

Part 2: Four More Gaming Enclosures Under $50

When it comes to a PSU I would recommend Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, PC Power&Cooling or really any brand manufactured by Seasonic or CWT. Google search will help to figure that out quickly. Here are a few VERY good review sites that you may want to check out before making a decision on what PSU you want:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/psu_power_supplies/

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power

I hope that info helps, good luck on your new build.
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November 5, 2010 3:17:14 PM

thechief73 said:
Hello, I would deffinatly go for the i5 and gtx, but keep in mind the new AMD cards. I have used ATI for over 5years with not 1 driver issue. As for your case I have had a Antec 300 Illusion for about three months and I could not be happier, it is a Antec 300 with fans installed at factory, so slightly higher price saves money on cooling in the long run. The 300 has good air-flow and quality design, and also the Cooler Master HAF are very popular for thier air-flow, check out these links for cases in your price range also:

Part 1: Four Gaming Enclosures Under $50

Part 2: Four More Gaming Enclosures Under $50

When it comes to a PSU I would recommend Corsair, Seasonic, Antec, PC Power&Cooling or really any brand manufactured by Seasonic or CWT. Google search will help to figure that out quickly. Here are a few VERY good review sites that you may want to check out before making a decision on what PSU you want:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDR

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/psu_power_supplies/

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power

I hope that info helps, good luck on your new build.



It's a bit of a predicament for me really, I want to have a decent entry level 500/600w but I also need to keep to my budget of £100 for both parts. Chances are I'll have to lower the case budget from £50 to around £35/40 and put the extra £10 in on a Corsair or something similar. For this price range I should be looking at a absolute minimum of 80% efficency considering I'd like a nice 100/150w overhead.
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November 5, 2010 4:22:03 PM

I completly understand your budget constraints, as I am building a new PC piece by piece over the past few months on a tight budget and it can be difficult to say the least.

£100 is about $162USD, I do not know the prices of PC parts in the UK but you should be able to stay within your buget with a nice 500/600w PSU and one of the cases listed or in the links I gave you above.


Here are a few things I found quickly:

From Aria.co.uk:
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+To...
http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Power+Supplie...
Total = £122 shipped. This is just an example anf you can adjust what case or PSU you want to lower the price.

From Misco.co.uk:
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-de...
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-de...
Total = £130 Shipped


From Scan.co.uk
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-corsair-builder-ser...
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-antec-basiq-power-p...
Could not find any good cases on this site.

Its really hard to stay within a budget and get quality parts, so it will be up to you to decide where you can save and spend a little extra to get a better quality part. My advice would be not to skimp on the PSU and go for a cheaper case, Aria.co.uk seemed to have the best prices and selection on cases. I would start there.

I hope this helps, and good luck with your build.
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November 5, 2010 7:08:46 PM

^^^ Those are both good options, a nice case and a great Seasonic PSU. I guess the reason I could not find a case on Scan.co.uk was because they are called Midi and I was looking under Desktop :( 

Really you can go pretty darn cheap on the case as long as it looks good to you, and then spend the rest of your budget on a good quality PSU.
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November 5, 2010 7:55:40 PM

Thats one of the reasons I liked the Antec VSK2000, its only £35 plus it looks pretty good. Has some of the features from the 300 so at £15 cheaper that ups my PSU budget to £65 which is enough for some of the slightly better corsairs.

Just noticed the OCZ ModXstream, it's £65 for the 600w £50 for the 500w and it's modular. I'm quite tempted with it theres also the Corsair VX550w I really want to go for the tidiest cabling as I want to have it well cooled and tidy.

So with the AMD route, would 500/550 be sufficient? i5 I'm leaning away from now.

Any idea on the build/running quality of Foxconn motherboards? Or should I stick to the ASUS or Gigabyte.
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November 5, 2010 9:14:07 PM

Well I have an Antec 300 and the build quality for the price is very good, so I dont think that you will be dissappointed in any Antec case.

With £65 left to buy your PSU you should be able to buy any of the quality models available, but if you want to go modular that will really limit what you can find.

As for the OCZ Modstream I have heard both good and bad opinions, but if you have used this brand and are happy with thier products you have owned then I see no reason for you to stray from using them again, so here are a few reviews I found for you to check out:
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/ocz_mod...
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2009/04/02/ocz-mo...
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/973
These reviews are of the 500w model as this should be plenty of power for your PC.

As for the Motherboards I have never looked into Foxconn but I have heard they are on a downward slope and a dying brand when it comes to motherboards. Asus is what I always use and I can highly recommend them, Gigabyte also has just as great reputation, both are at the top when it comes to motherboards and I do not think you can go wrong with either brand.

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November 5, 2010 10:13:44 PM

That's quite annoying really found a motherboard bundle with the 965 + Foxconn m/b + 4gb Corsair ram. It was only £275 too. Any ideas of a good couple of motherboards? The processors £150 so that leaves about £125 to £150 for mobo + 4gb ram.

I've been looking at motherboards for a while now and cannot make sense of them, slight model number differences and barely any cost confuses the hell out of me. I know to look at around £70+ boards to keep the quality high but other than that I am stumped. It's sad really, used to know my way around the old Pentium 4 motherboards and processors.

Thanks for the reviews, I read one from hardware secrets earlier on the 600w version and after reading the one for the 500w on the same website it seems it's slightly better. Probably going to go with this as it's a half decent PSU supplier for the case has the psu as well and it's only a 10min walk from here. Just out of curiousity what are the bad things you've heard about the modxstreams? I'll probably take a modXstream over the stealthxtreme as it's slightly better.
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November 5, 2010 10:28:56 PM

Just to double check i've done some quick maths with the load on the power.. The processor is a 125w so I've given that a max of 140w (for headrooms sake). GPU 160w, so 170w w/ headroom. just over three hundred watts. I expect that 150w should be enough to power the system providing I don't go over the top with stuff right? I'm aiming for two 500gb HDD's one 120gb HDD (spare - might as well put it in). Standard SATA dvd drive, possibly blu ray. Sorry for the double post!
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November 5, 2010 11:45:30 PM

I just remember people talking down on the OCZ PSU's, nothing specific and mostly just those peoples opinions, so I really cant say and I dont know anything about them without doing a bunch of reading. As I said if you have used them in the past without trouble and you like the company, I see no reason why not to buy another of the same brand. Those reviews are done profesionally and you can for the most part trust what they tell you.

All I can say if you want to go with that bundle, google the motherboard model and put review after it, and do some reading :)  The info I have on Foxconn is also just word of mouth, I know they were more popular several years back around the p4 days. If you can post the motherboard model maybe I can find some info on it, and I can post the links. One thing that at least I would consider is that Foxconn is a company in China and there has been several suicides in the past year at the factory, I dont know what brought those people to that end but Foxconn has been in the news alot about how they treat thier employees(slaves), if you want to look into this a simple search for Foxconn suicides will bring up the news articles. Another Foxconn Worker Commits Suicide

Another thing to consider is motherboard manufactures are making alot of boards with USB 3.0 and SATA 3.0 and very few products use this technology yet. SATA hard drives cannot even use the full bandwithd of SATA 2.0 so 3.0 is really unessisary. As with USB 3.0 very few if any parts besides motherboards have adopted this tech yet, so it is quite useless at the time.

Here is a link to a PSU calculator it can give you a good idea on where you should be, if anything this gives you a high ball estimate: http://www.antec.outervision.com/

I belive hard drives and disk drives only use 15w when at peak power draw, burning dvd's requires a bit more, the calculator should be able to get you in a good ballpark range.

I do not know alot about AMD, as I am a Intel person, but I can try to find a Motherboard to recommend to you.

Here is a link to an article on Tom's about Socket AM3 Motherboards, its from about a year and a half ago but may help you out. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/790fx-socket-am3,22...
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November 6, 2010 12:08:04 AM

The Modxtream are made by Fortron (FSP) from what I know.
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November 6, 2010 12:17:27 AM

This is a list of popular AM3 boards:

1- ASUS M4A79XTD EVO cost = £77 you have £75 left for RAM
2- GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 cost = £94 you have £58 left for RAM
3- GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H cost = £61 you have £91 left for RAM

*all prices were from one the websites I listed a few posts up*

Ok, so your motherboard/RAM/and CPU budget is £275 or about $445. You can get the AMD 965 for about £123, so that leaves £152 left for Mobo and RAM.


Here are a few links from Tom's looking for goo AM3 motherboards:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/271001-30-motherboard...
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274481-30-best-mother...

You can probably find more recommendations if you search for "best AM3 motherboards" or somthing along those lines.
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November 6, 2010 12:53:37 AM

I do not know what speed af RAM you were looking to get, but DDR3 1333MHz Dual Channel fits all the boards that I have mentioned above. As I had said befor I do not know alot about AMD, but I do know they only support Dual Channel and require certain specs to be compatible(may have voltage requirements i am not aware of). Here are a few sets of DDR3 Dual Channel 1333MHz RAM in 2x4GB kits I found that fit in your budget based on my recommendations.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-(2x2gb)-corsair-xms3-classic-ddr3-pc3-10666-(1333)-non-ecc-unbuffered-cas-9-9-9-24-150v --- £56.13

http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-de... --- £64

http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-de... --- £58

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+D... --- £52.86

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Memory/DDR3+D... --- £61.09


With all those parts I have listed, they are all of high quality and considered top notch parts, and with any combination you chose it should be under or right at the £275 price of the package deal you were looking at. I hope this helps you make your choice's for your PC build a bit easier on you.
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November 6, 2010 1:08:45 AM

Thanks for all the guidance and advice chief, it's greatly appreciated.

Found something interesting out just then, the 965 is actually £134 and the 955 is £110 so for 200mhz difference i can cut £25 down then OC it back up later! Good idea or less so?

I'm thinking the ASUS board you put up here, or a similar one + either of the processors + G Skill ripjaw 4gb ram (found it for £69)
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November 6, 2010 1:53:52 AM

Hey its not a problem at all, I am glad to help.

As for the CPU if you want or need to save some more £ and you are Ok with the idea of doing a OC then yeah go for the 955 as 200MHz is probably not very noticable, if at all. The Asus board will be able give you a good OC, and yeah its a good idea, thats what OC'ing things is all about, buy less expensive parts and make them run like the higher end stuff. Save £ and have fun doing it :) 

[EDIT] If you do want to OC there is a good chance that the stock AMD CPU cooler will not be able to handel the heat, so make sure to factor in the cost of a new cooler when or if you decide to OC. Also the Asus board supports DDR3 1600MHz as the Gigabytes only did 1333MHz, just something I thought I should mention, but I have heard that the difference between the two speeds is very little.

Thats sounds like a great plan to me, seems like you got it all figured out now. :)  Good luck with your build.
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November 6, 2010 12:53:10 PM

I was planning to spend the extra couple of £ on a cpu cooler so it all works out! I'll probably have to see how the differences between the 1333 and 1600 pan out to see whether its feasible. It more than likely is but I'd like to make sure. It's really a pain up the ass buying it bit by bit, but 'hopefully' I'll be able to use it before it's complete!

End of november semi-complete, mid-end december - 100% done!

Thanks for the help buddy!
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November 6, 2010 2:15:25 PM

Your welcome, I am going through the same thing right now, as I have new RAM, PSU and CPU cooler, and I still waiting on the bigger stuff like CPU and Motherboard, the rest is coming from my old PC, I have to wait to get a new GPU and Hard Drive until after everything else.

Here is a Awsome CPU cooler it is at a great price and is regarded as one of the best performers per £, and it fits AM3 CPU's(no extra bracket to buy): http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-hyper-212-p... , I just thought Ide let you know about it.
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November 6, 2010 9:18:38 PM

Nice! I'll take a look into that now.

Yeah it's a crappy process buying bit by bit. I'm trying to make it as quick as possible. Might use the 9500GT from my current pc until I get the £150 or £200 for the GTX460. Not sure if I will though. As for HDD and opticals I'm using a spare 120gb for the time being and some dvd drive I found in my bedroom until I get the £100 for the first 500gb and bluray drive. I've got a win7 x64 home premium recovery disk that came with my laptop so i'll make the most of the 30 days while I wait on getting paid so I can get the copy of win7 + the HDD. Or just go with the old windows xp copy I have used about 100 times now!

As november 18th is my 19th birthday I'm just asking for money so I can get the cpu, mobo, ram and psu and a 22" hd tv to ask as a monitor + xbox screen. Then it's the November paycheck then December for the ol' OS and little bits I need. Should be buying the case tomorrow or Monday which will be good!

What way are you going? Intel or AMD?

Also this is my first complete build :D  so I hope it goes well, done replacements of every damn piece of hardware during the years and at work so it should go well! - Recently did a replacement of an AMD opteron at work, that was a risky one! If I messed up with the paste that would have been a £4000 server broken and then the £600 second cpu buggered!
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November 6, 2010 10:42:09 PM

You should be just fine, I have my current PC apart about four times just this month, once today, long story :lol:  Just take your time, make sure your not wearing socks and dragging your feet all over the carpet :) , Just touch somthing metal before you start.

I am going with Intel, most likely a i7-950, but I am going to wait until the new Sandy Bridge CPU's come out second week of January to see what prices they are going to sell for, I think they will be a bit high for me, I also want to see thier official performance numbers befor I make a final choice.

One thing I just thought of, whichever motherboard you decide to buy, go to the manufactures website and look up the "qualified vendor list" for that particular board, this should tell you what RAM they recommend to use with that board and this should help eliminate a potential problem. These are just a guideline and other RAM brands/moduals will most likely work just as fine, but it is good to check it out and somthing to keep in mind.
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November 6, 2010 11:10:46 PM

I would wait for the new CPU's but I won't be able to afford them so thats out the window! Ah as for the static stuff, I have an anti-static kit so I'll just grab that from work the night before I do the build (pays to be in IT support at times - as well as getting the free stuff from Microsoft partner network!)

What I'll probably do is get like 3 of the motherboards I want in the same price range and when I go down to the shop take a look at all three and work out what has the best quality (I'll do that online) and what offers the best I/O connectivity and such. Same with everything else!

When you looking have the new PC completed by then?
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November 6, 2010 11:48:59 PM

Cool, you have static covered then. That is for sure a nice job to have, I am currently thinking about going to school for Information Systems, I am kinda on the fence about a major, I just want to work with some kind of PC hardware :)  Did you do any kind of schooling or did you just get into the biz another way?

I'll probabaly have my new PC done at the end of January, that is if I do not decide on waiting for Ivy Bridge which is a shrink of Sandy Bridge from 32nm to 22nm, that will be out late 2011, I doubt I will, my current PC is holding me back as it is.

I have been getting parts here and there: PSU, Heatsink, and RAM (which I may have to return/sell because it is tripple channel 3x2gb kit for a i7 machine, that was all before I decided to wait :)  ). I buy them when I find sales or rebates, but I have been striking out on them all, because they all have been on sale for less after I got them :cry:  but only £3 to £6 less, so not to big a deal. Now all I have to do is hope the heatsink will fit the newer CPU's.
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November 7, 2010 12:13:48 AM

Well I was always doing the old IT stuff in school (you know the damn office stuff) hated that, after that I started to do my next set of exams then half way through I dropped out. As I've been into PC gaming for like 4/5 years I figured may as well do an IT apprenticeship, finished that about 3 months ago and been working since. On the course I got a couple of Microsoft certifications and a couple of Comptia ones. Worked out really well.. Working for a company doing IT support now and considering it's a first job and I'm only 18 I'm getting so much experience with networking and servers it's amazing!

At least going for a January build would have you up to date soonish! Currently I'm on a Pentium D 915 which suprisingly isn't running too bad with Fallout new vegas, but I think the meat of my system has to be the 9500gt I bought like 2 years ago!
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November 7, 2010 11:42:31 AM

I am really not in a big hurry to build, but when I play online multiplayer, mostly HalfLife2 DM, I can really get frustrated because the obvious advantage others have with new/more powerfull PC's

This is what I am currently running:

Asus P5LD2-VM
Intel P4 650 3.4GHz(OC\'d 3.74GHz)
4x1GB PNY DDR2 667(OC\'d 733MHz)
Sapphire 4670 512Mb OC\'d
WD 160GB HDD
Antec NeoPower 500w
Antec 300 Illusion

I play Crysis, Far Cry 2, Left 4 Dead 1&2, Borderlands, Dead Space, Half Life Series, Bioshock and few others. I can usually play them at 1280x1024 and sometimes 1920x1080 with a mix of medium and some high settings, usually no AA. Crysis and Far Cry 2 give me the most trouble in single player. But for a PC going on 5 years with only a RAM and GPU upgrade it still does a good job.

Ontop of online play getting me frustrated, I started looking at new parts and just got an itch to build a new PC :) 
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November 7, 2010 3:39:18 PM

Not bad, It beats my current PC. I just ordered my case, went for the Coolermaster elite 430, looked to have the best build quality for the price £35. So I snapped it up!
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November 7, 2010 9:04:30 PM

Just ordered some of the parts (luckily for me I was able to get an advance on my wages plus get some cash off family that I can pay back!)

Got:

ASUS M4A88TV-EVO/USB3
4GB G.Skill Ripsaw 1333
Coolermaster elite 430 - Figured it had the best build quality for my £

Then on Tuesday I'm getting either the 955 + better cooling or the 965. Still not 100% sure but I'm swaying towards the 955 simply due to the extra cooling with it which will give it an edge in overclocking. For the cooling going with the Coolermaster you linked me to! Hopefully this will start to take shape soon. Sucks I'm not gonna be able to get the PSU for a week or two. Would have it up and running by the end of the week otherwise. Might have to borrow one from work and stick it in my old PC and use the 9500GT and the 400w StealthxStream in here :D 

*edit*

Asus M4A88TD-V EVO - my bad.

Ripjaw, awful spelling today.
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November 7, 2010 11:12:40 PM

Well, congrats. It looks like your well on your way to getting your PC up and running. Those are some nice parts, Im sure you wont be disappointed.

As for your CPU, If you want to OC it you most definitely want to have the extra cooling. If AMD is anything like Intel, the faster clocked chip is the same CPU as a slower that tested stable at a faster clock. So the 965 (may) run slightly cooler and/or slightly more efficient, but if your are trying to stay on a tight budget the extra 200MHz wont be a big difference at all, Im not even sure if it would be noticeable, but if you can afford the extra ~15£ then I would most definitely go with the 965.

As for your PSU, you most likely would be able to run your new system on the 400w PSU(that is without the GTX460), I am almost positive it can handle everthing fine and far as I know there is no harm in trying either. I would wait on doing any OC stuff or installing the new GPU, until you have the new PSU just in case you push it near or past 400w.

Another thought, you probably have this figured out already, but what the hay. If your not giving your old PC to a family member, you can sell your old parts and make a little £ back to help lower the cost of the new PC.
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November 8, 2010 11:34:04 AM

Thanks for all the help, gonna get this topic closed up seeing as I really don't need it open anymore!
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November 8, 2010 11:34:41 AM

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November 8, 2010 11:51:02 AM

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