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New $700-1000 build, need lots of help!

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August 21, 2010 7:19:47 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week

BUDGET RANGE: $700-$1000 after rebates, price before rebates is not important

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Games, Running VMs

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor, PSU, HDD

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, anywhere else with a good price

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: None, but I'd like to stick with well known brands and items that are well reviewed

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, I will most likely be overclocking the CPU to 4.0 ghz

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1440x900

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Ideally very quiet if not silent, almost no LEDs


The current build: (but I'm still taking suggestions for anything!)

Case: $59.95 - $10 Rebate Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

PSU: $109.99 - $20 Rebate CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V

Mobo: $209.99 GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

CPU: $279.99 Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz

GPU: $229.99 GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Memory: $169.99 - $20 Rebate CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX6GX3M3C1600C7

CPU Cooler: $23.67 Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212

Case Fans: 2X $35.98 (total) Noctua NF-P12

-$20 Combo Discount

+$10.96 Total shipping

In total, costing: $1124.36 or $1074.36 after rebates, and 1024.36 once I get the money back from the power supply I'm returning


Yup, that's what I got.. ended up being closer to my high end but oh well, hopefully this computer will tide me over for a long time (wishful thinking to a degree I'm sure)

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August 21, 2010 8:21:26 AM

Hmm, definitely seems like the very high end of what I'd like. That puts the build at well over $1000.

As for the extra case fans, I should have said before, I would like different ones because the reviews for that case say the included fans are very noisy, I could always wait to buy them later though.

I know it's possible to at least overclock the i7 930 to 3.6ghz, and most likely 4.0 on air, I helped build an ESXi server at work that uses the same processor and a pretty bad set of fans. It stays nice and cool, even when every bit of the processor is maxed out for hours on end. My room mate does the same, but with a very nice air/cpu cooler setup, and he has his machine at 4.0ghz all the time, but rarely maxes it out. I'll probably just go with slightly lower anyways to be safe though.

Any suggestions that would put the build closer to the low end of my price range? I'm not sure I need that crazy of a GPU.
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August 21, 2010 8:48:20 AM

You don't - 1440 x 900 is a cherry picker of a resolution so look to hit a sub $100 HD 4850/GTS 250
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August 21, 2010 12:08:34 PM

Hmm if Metro 2033 i'd even hit a GTX 460 so really depends what kind of games are on the table ^^ For the most part the HD 5770, HD 4850, GTS 250, etc should be fine
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August 21, 2010 12:34:15 PM

I like your choices i think they're very good.
I'm with your roommate on the ram cuz the Corsair is good quality and has a low 33mm profile which is less likely to cause HSF installation problems.
Found the faster kit cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Some alternative fans anything under 20 db is pretty much silent.The S-Flex's i linked are nice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
Some real cheap quality fans.
Yate Loon D12SL-12 120MM RED/BLACK Fan 1350RPM 47CFM 28DB 3/4PIN Sleeve Bearing OEM Sleeved Retail
http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=33852&vpn=D12SL%2D1... Loon&promoid=1088
Good cpu coolers.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
Cogage Arrow 4 HeatPipes CPU Heatsink LGA1366/1156/775 with 120MM Pwn Controlled Fan = to the Noctua NH-D14 when you add another fan
http://www.ncixus.com/products/49313/ARROW/Thermalright...
Mobo/gpu combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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August 21, 2010 9:08:47 PM

Thank you all for the input!

I updated the original post. That GPU looks pretty solid to me, especially for the price. Considering the rest of the setup though, is it going to be the one piece of hardware that's slower than the rest?

In comparing the ASUS Rampage III Gene and the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 I'm having trouble seeing much of a difference. Also, would it be worth getting a cheaper mobo to try to cut the cost down a bit?
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August 21, 2010 10:10:20 PM

lococobra said:
Thank you all for the input!

I updated the original post. That GPU looks pretty solid to me, especially for the price. Considering the rest of the setup though, is it going to be the one piece of hardware that's slower than the rest?

In comparing the ASUS Rampage III Gene and the GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD5 I'm having trouble seeing much of a difference. Also, would it be worth getting a cheaper mobo to try to cut the cost down a bit?

Your definitely headed in the right direction.
As far as the coolers go the V6 is questionable as to whether or not it will fit in your case it's 165mm tall.
The Ultra and Venomous X will they are 160mm tall.
The Rampage is a good board but once 2 gpu's are installed it's full as far as any upgrades or expansion go.
The UD-5 has a full slot array and allows better gpu cooling and future expansion.
The 5770 is a good gpu and will perform great at your current resolution you can always add another in the future.
New 5770 -S http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/graphiccards/HD%2050...
The 1GB GTX 460 is a superior card that performs between the 5830 and the 5850.
Two cheaper full sized boards.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
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August 22, 2010 12:20:41 AM

Well, the UD3 looks like the better of the two of those mobos. What is the difference between the UD3 and the UD5 though?

I'm not sure I understand everything you were talking about with the graphics cards. Why were you mentioning that xfxforce url? And the GTX 460?

I guess I'm still not sure about the GPU, now I'm looking at these two
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-102-898^14-102-898-TS%2C14-125-327^14-125-327-TS
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August 22, 2010 1:12:45 AM

Just updated the original post with everything new. Found some good combo deals, still looking for input.

The CPU Cooler a totally random pick, only thrown in there because it was part of a combo deal. If I want to get a different cooler, I'll probably try looking for a CPU + Memory combo, and then have the cooler be separate.

I'm also still torn on the GPU. I really don't know much about them so.. is that what I should get? I have no clue.
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August 22, 2010 1:53:46 AM

You really don't need many case fans. I'm running an oc'ed 920 (3 Ghz on a Rampage III that I linked you to), on stock cooling with just the 1 case fan. (I wont advise that, though - I'll get myself a cooler soon).

As for your Arctic freezer, it's pretty good, so get it.

Right mobo btw, if you're on a tightish budget. I was looking more at 1000 :) 

Your GPU depends on what games you wanna play. SCII, WOW is one thing, but Metro 2033, or Crysis is something else.

That 5770 chip is good enough for the former, but if you wanna play the later 2, or others like 'em on high @ 1920 X 1080/1200, you might wanna go with the GTX 460 (Fermi) to get half-decent FPS.
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August 22, 2010 3:09:05 AM

Okay, so here's what I'm looking at..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-130-562^14-130-562-Z01%2C14-130-564^14-130-564-TS%2C14-125-333^14-125-333-TS%2C14-125-327^14-125-327-TS%2C14-102-898^14-102-898-TS

Two questions:
1. Which is approximately the most even with the rest of my setup, not a crazy overpowered GPU for an otherwise weak computer or way weak gpu for an otherwise monster of a machine... if you get what I'm trying to say.

2. What would be the least expensive one that would play Crysis on medium/high settings at 1440x900 with a pretty good FPS (at least 30 or so?)

I'm just trying to figure out what I need. There seems to be quite a range when it comes to price, but I'm not sure how much it will impact me. Again, thank you all so much for the help!
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August 22, 2010 5:36:01 AM

lococobra said:
Well, the UD3 looks like the better of the two of those mobos. What is the difference between the UD3 and the UD5 though?

I'm not sure I understand everything you were talking about with the graphics cards. Why were you mentioning that xfxforce url? And the GTX 460?

I guess I'm still not sure about the GPU, now I'm looking at these two
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-102-898^14-102-898-TS%2C14-125-327^14-125-327-TS

The UD5 and UD3 have the same board lay-out but the UD5 has a more robust power phase design and other features associated with oc'ing..probably not worth $70 more and you could use that towards a better gpu or perhaps a monitor.
The UD3 is probably perfect for you since you asked for a cheaper full featured board.
For your current display resolution a 5770 is fine and that's what you revised your build to. The only reason i linked the XFX card is because it's a single slot gpu and was more suited for tight mobo's like the Rampage you were considering.Makes sense to save slots when there is only 4.
And the 1GB GTX 460 recommendation which was my original one is just it's alot of card at a reasonable price.
If you want to save money and who doesn't you'll still have a nice build with the 5770.
I think your still overlooking an upgrade and that's your monitor.
So with $70 saved off the mobo and another $80 if you go with the 5770 you're close to 2/3rds the way to a monitor upgrade.
Something worth considering imo.
Btw the gpu/mobo is worth it but the 2nd cpu/hsf combo is a bad joke $10 off an overpriced hsf that''s not very good btw is ridiculous.
You can buy that cooler for $20 at alot of places and it will not cool an i7 9xx series cpu much better then the stock unit.
I see you're trying to get the best value and performance for your hard earned cash who can blame you.
I'll settle the cpu cooler thing just buy a CM Hyper 212+ but not from Newegg. The 212+ is legendary when it comes to price and cooling performance.
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-B10-212P-G1-Univ...
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August 22, 2010 7:50:40 AM

Alright, that cooler looks good to me. Now I'm going back through and seeing if there are any other combos I can be doing to save a bit extra. I can get a combo with a bunch of mobos and the memory, but I can't get the UD3 if I do that. So now I'm looking at.. this..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|13-131-365^13-131-365-TS%2C13-128-423^13-128-423-TS%2C13-188-039^13-188-039-TS%2C13-131-641^13-131-641-TS%2C13-188-065^13-188-065-TS

And here are all the possible deals with that memory:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...

Or.. I could get different memory and get the UD3, but the only ones I can seem to find are OCZ which after reading reviews... look like they won't look for overclocking. Why does this have to be so difficult?!
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August 22, 2010 10:06:44 AM

You're making this more difficult than it needs to be. Decisions are never easy when you've so many choices.

At your resolution, a 5770 is plenty good. So if you are not planning on a monitor upgrade anytime soon, you get to save a lot of money for now.

Keep the Giga UD3. It's definitely good enough @ 209 bucks.

Get either the PI series G.Skill I linked you to or the Corsair Davcon linked you to.

You might not get a combo, but spending the extra $10/20 will be well worth it.

Get the Cooler Master HSF. It's good. It's just that 4 Ghz might be too much on that one. That's why I linked you to the Noctua. But @ 25 bucks at Amazon, you can't blame it for the price/performance ratio.
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August 22, 2010 12:37:51 PM

^+1 I agree 100% from looking at your current revised build you're done.
Btw your case comes with TriCools which are very good on low settings i run 5 of them in my 902 and noise is not an issue.
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August 22, 2010 5:30:10 PM

Well, it comes to $902 with the current build if I buy the CPU from TigerDirect instead ($10 less).

I just have to decide.. 5770 or 460

Thank you guys for the help though, I'll post once more when I decide and buy.
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August 23, 2010 2:04:32 AM

I've decided on the final build, going to go with pretty much exactly what's above, but also throw in two case fans. I've read that the Hyper 212 can OC to 4.0 with acceptable temperatures if done right, but I think having good air flow is crucial to that. Also, I have some good old arctic silver that might be better than whatever the cooler comes with.

On another note, I'm sticking with the better GPU because it should give the comp a longer lifespan, and allow me to get a better monitor whenever.

I've updated the OP with everything, if you guys could look it over one last time I'd really appreciate it!
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August 23, 2010 7:16:47 AM

Looks pretty good from here, but two things though.

1. 36 dollar case fans seem a little overkill to me.

2. If you're really looking @ 4 Ghz, you gotta look at a board like the Rampage III which is a much better overclocker than the UD3.

IMO, if you really wanna spend those 30 bucks extra, might as well spend that on a board that was made for highly OC'ed clock speeds and will allow you to attain higher clocks easier.

If however you're OK with ~3.5-ish, the UD3 will prolly do just fine.

The rest of your build looks pretty good. 1 thing I'll have to say though - I haven't seen too many $1000 gaming builds with a 5770. At least a 460, if not a 470/5850 would have prolly been more like it.
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August 23, 2010 7:49:49 AM

Oops.. haha I just missed updating that, it should have been the 460. Why do you think the UD3 won't overclock nicely? My room mate has his UD5 with an i7-920 running at 4ghz on air. Is there that much of a difference between the UD3 and the UD5?

Also, I just read about 7 reviews on newegg for the UD3R where people talked about successfully overclocking 920s to 4.0 with no reliability problems at all. I'm not saying I'm going to jump straight to this, and I don't know... with that cooler maybe I won't be able to, but I can try.

I've been pouring over pages and pages of case fans trying to find the right one.. quiet but good air flow. It's impossible! My main concern here is that I have a lot of recording equipment in the room this will be in and if I ever plan on recording using this machine the room is going to have to be all but silent. The ones I picked out seem excessively expensive.. but I don't really know enough to find a cheaper alternative that I know will be quiet enough.

Is there a target CFM I should be shooting for or something? What I've been able to surmise is that anything under 20dBA is silent (if the manufacturer didn't just lie about it), 30dBA is still very quiet, and 60+ CFM is good for overclocking. So basically, to buy a silent fan that can overclock is impossible if those are the rules.
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August 23, 2010 3:17:19 PM

You didn't write 'bout your recording stuff. If you really need uber-quite, go with 140 mm ones. The advantage with bigger fans is that they have to rotate less to displace the same amount of air and less RPM's mean less noise!

1. COOLER MASTER R4-L4S-10AB-GP 140mm Blue LED Case Fan

2. XIGMATEK Cooling System XLF XLF-F1453 140mm LED Orange Case Fan PSU Molex Adapter/extender included

3. Cheaper alternative - COOLER MASTER R4-S4S-10AK-GP 140mm Case Fan
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August 23, 2010 5:39:05 PM

lococobra said:
Oops.. haha I just missed updating that, it should have been the 460. Why do you think the UD3 won't overclock nicely? My room mate has his UD5 with an i7-920 running at 4ghz on air. Is there that much of a difference between the UD3 and the UD5?

Also, I just read about 7 reviews on newegg for the UD3R where people talked about successfully overclocking 920s to 4.0 with no reliability problems at all. I'm not saying I'm going to jump straight to this, and I don't know... with that cooler maybe I won't be able to, but I can try.

I've been pouring over pages and pages of case fans trying to find the right one.. quiet but good air flow. It's impossible! My main concern here is that I have a lot of recording equipment in the room this will be in and if I ever plan on recording using this machine the room is going to have to be all but silent. The ones I picked out seem excessively expensive.. but I don't really know enough to find a cheaper alternative that I know will be quiet enough.

Is there a target CFM I should be shooting for or something? What I've been able to surmise is that anything under 20dBA is silent (if the manufacturer didn't just lie about it), 30dBA is still very quiet, and 60+ CFM is good for overclocking. So basically, to buy a silent fan that can overclock is impossible if those are the rules.

Gigabyte boards are very good overclockers and you can't go wrong with Scythe fans for quality and noise.
Manufacturers aren't too bad about db levels what they lie about most is cfm's.And high cfms always produce more noise.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page1.html
Your build looks very good to me enjoy:) 
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August 23, 2010 8:35:59 PM

Just ordered everything!

Two changes from the previous build:

I got two Noctua NF-P12 fans because the Scythe ones were sold out. (it cost $2 more). My justification is that I'll have 4 HDDs in this comp, some of them are a bit old, and I may be overclocking both the GPU and the CPU.. I need to keep the air moving.
http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-P12-Case-fan-120/dp/B00...

I ran some calculations and found that the Rosewill 530W I recently bought isn't going to cut it. I'm returning that and buying this one: I think you guys will agree it should be more than enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 25, 2010 3:43:20 PM

lococobra said:
Just ordered everything!

Two changes from the previous build:

I got two Noctua NF-P12 fans because the Scythe ones were sold out. (it cost $2 more). My justification is that I'll have 4 HDDs in this comp, some of them are a bit old, and I may be overclocking both the GPU and the CPU.. I need to keep the air moving.
http://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-P12-Case-fan-120/dp/B00...

I ran some calculations and found that the Rosewill 530W I recently bought isn't going to cut it. I'm returning that and buying this one: I think you guys will agree it should be more than enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Good stuff !
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