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August 24, 2010 3:38:39 AM

Hey guys

Please tell me what you guys think of my build, and if there are any incompatibilities or places where things can be improved.
Some key areas that I am a bit confused about are the graphics card and the RAM. Is this graphics manufacturer a good one? I only picked it because it was the only combo-able sub $400 hd 5870.
Also, the ram I picked it semi-blindly out of a list of corsair 1600 rams; How is does 1333 ram compare to 1600?
SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo Drive - Bulk SATA Model SH-B083L/BSBP LightScribe Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
$69.99

Western Digital Caviar Blue 640GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
$69.99


SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 100281-3SR Video Card w/ Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
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Intel Core i7-930 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
-$10.00 Instant
-$35.00 Combo
$679.98
$634.98


ASUS P6X58D-E ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
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Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Computer Case With Side Panel Window
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
-$40.00 Instant
-$40.00 Combo
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate
$379.94
$299.94


CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
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CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-950TX 950W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E168...
-$55.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$359.98
$274.98

Grand Total: $1,349.88

:bounce:  image of cart: http://yfrog.com/9erigvj

Thanks,
Xiang
August 24, 2010 3:57:52 AM

If this is just for gaming, a Core i5 760, Asus P7P55D-E Pro & G.Skill 4 GB kit would suffice. For the HDD, the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB is faster and has greater capacity for $5 more.

If you do plan CrossFireX later on, a 750 W PSU is more than enough for two HD 5870s.
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August 24, 2010 4:12:02 AM

Lmeow said:
If this is just for gaming, a Core i5 760, Asus P7P55D-E Pro & G.Skill 4 GB kit would suffice. For the HDD, the Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB is faster and has greater capacity for $5 more.

If you do plan CrossFireX later on, a 750 W PSU is more than enough for two HD 5870s.


A appreciate you recommending a hard drive for me~ I will definitely look into it.

About the other suggestions you gave:
I wanted to go for the i7 930 to be a bit more "future-proof." I am an engineering major and in the future I may be using programs like solidworks, pro-engineer, and others to be discovered :p  which may be CPU intensive.

Also, about the 950w power supply; I have chosen this because the 750 watt TX series corsairs on newegg are not as combo-able. Corsair is my preferred brand (since I don't know which others are as reliable) and with the combo that I have the 950w ends up being cheaper than the 750w which is only $20 cheaper to begin with. If there is a specific power supply that you could recommend to me though, that would be great.

Thanks for the help :) 
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August 24, 2010 4:37:47 AM

That Blu-Ray is only ROM not RW.. don't think it will even burn a DVD... consider switching to RW

Do you already have an operating system?
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August 24, 2010 4:44:39 AM

brennon7 said:
That Blu-Ray is only ROM not RW.. don't think it will even burn a DVD... consider switching to RW

Do you already have an operating system?


I just checked the details and it says that its dvd+rw x8, which should be fine.
And yea, I forgot to mention I will be using Windows 7 x64 bit which I will be getting from my school either for free or for $30; still have to talk with program advisor.

*edit: considering getting dvd only w/o blu ray. I don't have any blu ray disks (or a tv for that matter) yet anyways.
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August 24, 2010 7:53:54 AM

The Corsair TX950W isn't modular. But if you aren't too concerned with this then never mind. Otherwise it looks good then from that perspective.
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August 24, 2010 4:08:57 PM

Lmeow said:
The Corsair TX950W isn't modular. But if you aren't too concerned with this then never mind. Otherwise it looks good then from that perspective.


This is a little bit of a concern to me. Taking this into consideration; will have a new build soon
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August 24, 2010 5:03:22 PM

Here is my updated build:

Changes:
- 1tb hardrive "caviarblue" series to 750gb "caviar black" series
- blu ray drive to dvd/cd only
- corsair 1600 ram to 1333
- 950 TX psu (non-modulated) to HX750 psu (modulated)

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$21.99

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1333C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
-$10.00 Instant
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$144.99
$134.99


ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
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Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
-$45.00 Instant
-$40.00 Combo
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate
$379.94
$294.94


CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active ...
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Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
-$20.00 Instant
-$30.00 Combo
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$259.98
$209.98

SAPPHIRE 100281-3SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video ...
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Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
-$10.00 Instant
-$35.00 Combo
$679.98
$634.98

Subtotal: $1,296.88

What do you guy's think now? Is the downgrade in ram a good idea, since I won't be overlocking? Also, is the sapphire hd 5870 any good?
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August 24, 2010 5:21:23 PM

you should switch to an 1156 motherboard, like the i5 760. will save you on the motherboard, cpu and ram(cause you only need 4 instead of 6). if you really want save some money get an am3 motherboard and a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition.
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August 24, 2010 7:14:31 PM

zucchini said:
you should switch to an 1156 motherboard, like the i5 760. will save you on the motherboard, cpu and ram(cause you only need 4 instead of 6). if you really want save some money get an am3 motherboard and a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition.


Thanks for the input, but I will probably be going with the i7 still. Who knows what kind if applications I will use in the future and for a couple hundred more I think its worth it. Also, about the AMD, I would rather get an Intel :) !
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August 25, 2010 2:40:52 AM

sp12 said:
IMO unless you have a specific need for a 5870 a GTX 470 would outperform it for less.

Outperform: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/162?vs=160
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten
/2010/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_460/20/#abschnitt_performancerating_mit_aaaf

For less: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i5 is also ~200$ cheaper than the i7 while outperforming it, so a 1366 build is silly IMO.


About the i5 system, I was really considering switching over, however I was recently able to find the i7 930 for $199 locally. Therefore the price difference between the two (only < $30 now) does not warrant a downgrade. Also, can you show me where you saw that the i5 out performs the i7? I have not seen this anywhere.

And no, I don't have a specific need for a 5870, but I fail to see how the 5870 is the inferior product. I checked the link you gave me and it seems as if the 5870 is performing better in most of the applications that were benchmarked. Not to mention it uses less power, runs significantly (apx 20% on load) cooler, and also runs quieter. For $100 I can see how some would question it's value, but I think the ATI brand name + it's slightly better performance is worth it.

side note: Since I will no longer be comboing the CPU with the GPU I am now free to choose any make/manufacturer. Could someone suggest me a nice one on newegg? I was thinking the XFX!

These were the two makes I was looking at:
Sapphire vapor-x rev2 ($420+shipping) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and
xfx cheapest 5870 ($370) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Why is the xfx so cheap? Is it worth upgrading to the vapor-x? Are there any other contenders?
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August 25, 2010 10:06:51 AM

The 470 has had a 5% driver performance boost since that, so it beats the 5870 most of the time. If the cool, quiet, and energy features have value to you, then get a 5850.

IMO 5870 is just an all around bad buy when the 6000 series is out so soon. It's overpriced for the current market.

If the i7 is from microcenter, they have the i5 at 150$. Are you counting the 100$ saved on the P55 mobo/ram setup.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/47?vs=109

i5 has better single thru quad-threaded performance, which means it's a better gaming chip. Not only is it faster, but the money saved could be put towards a higher-end GPU setup like dual 460s.
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August 25, 2010 12:40:44 PM

sp12 said:
The 470 has had a 5% driver performance boost since that, so it beats the 5870 most of the time. If the cool, quiet, and energy features have value to you, then get a 5850.

IMO 5870 is just an all around bad buy when the 6000 series is out so soon. It's overpriced for the current market.

If the i7 is from microcenter, they have the i5 at 150$. Are you counting the 100$ saved on the P55 mobo/ram setup.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/47?vs=109

i5 has better single thru quad-threaded performance, which means it's a better gaming chip. Not only is it faster, but the money saved could be put towards a higher-end GPU setup like dual 460s.


any word on when the 6000 series is coming out? I was waiting for that, but then I got impatient. As for the 5850 the performance is not adequate; it does not hit 60 fps max settings on most of the new games. The difference between 50 and 60 fps is a lot to me.
I'll look more into the chips for sure though. I was astonished to see those bench marks... a more expencive cpu performing worse does not make sense! Btw, Microcenter sells i5 760 for $169 vs i7 930 at $199; a $30 difference.

Also, could you or someone else recommend a couple i5 mobos for me?
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August 25, 2010 2:59:13 PM

I would stick with the i7. triple-channel memory, 16x/16x crossfire/SLI, and better future upgrade ability. the i5 may do better in some games, but the i7 is better at productivity, and will be less of a bottleneck for future upgrades.
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August 26, 2010 2:24:14 AM

If I were to get the i5 the savings would pan out as follows:
CPU: $30
motherboard: $60
ram: $40
So proximately $130. For $130 is it worth the downgrade? I am just worried that when I start using pro engineer and solid works that I will have regretted downgrading.

Also, should i consider the i7 870? with this I can save with the mobo and ram while taking advantage of better performance. Microcenter has these for 229, or $30 more than a 930
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August 26, 2010 4:31:03 AM

Okay,
I was doing more research on the i5 and I ran into a stump!
If I get a LGA 1156 motherboard, then in the future if i decide to crossfire, I will be stuck with x8x8 pci slots rather than the x16x16 of the 1366 motherboards!
What kind of effect would this have on my performance?
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August 26, 2010 4:39:26 AM

At the moment, there's one or two cards which actually need the bandwidth. Cards like the HD 5870 and GTX 480 have a < 4% performance losts.
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August 26, 2010 5:02:53 AM

Lmeow said:
At the moment, there's one or two cards which actually need the bandwidth. Cards like the HD 5870 and GTX 480 have a < 4% performance losts.


Oh, that is a relief to hear!
I was considering
ASUS P7P55D-E pro (x8 x8 in crossfire) + i7 870 + hd 5870 crossfired x2 later after prices drop

how would this compare to
ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 (x16 x16) + i7 930 + hd 5870 in crossfire?

Are there any other cons of having a 1156? There less than a $100 price difference between the two in favor of the x8x8.

edit* more realistically it's less than $50 savings since the 1156 board ruins my new egg combos :( 
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August 26, 2010 5:26:47 AM

24 GB limit/triple channel memory/hex core availability are the main advanages apart from x8/x8 PCI-E lane splitting. I'd personally go for the X58 now though seeing as you do use programs which might benefit from the extra memory capacity, and it's more futureproof later on. $50 is worth it I'd say.
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August 26, 2010 1:34:53 PM

Lmeow said:
24 GB limit/triple channel memory/hex core availability are the main advanages apart from x8/x8 PCI-E lane splitting. I'd personally go for the X58 now though seeing as you do use programs which might benefit from the extra memory capacity, and it's more futureproof later on. $50 is worth it I'd say.


Honestly, I don't think I would ever use more than 6gb memory, none the less the 1156's max of 16gb. Also, I do not plan on upgrading to a hex core... ever :pt1cable:  . Even if I did, by the time I need an upgrade both the 1156 and the 1336 are going to be out of date.
The only foreseeable upgrade that I can think of would be popping in another 5870 somewhere down the line.
The real question that is burning in my head is: will the 870's boosted performance out weigh the loss in x8 x8 scaling? I think that if this question answered with "yes" then the 870 may be the better choice, as it runs with less energy and therefor is presumably cooler.
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August 27, 2010 2:22:35 AM

I forgot to mention that I plan on running a dual monitor set up. one bill be used for internet browsing and messenger while games ect are being played~


edit*
Okay, I know you guys are getting sick of this, but I have a NEWER build AGAIN D: please try to bear with me.

ASUS p7p55d-e PRO + Gskill 4 1600mhz 4gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

corsair HX 750w + 1tb wd caviar black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

HD 5870 (hoping prices will drop soon anticipating 6000 series release)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

antech nine hundred two (looking for new case recommendation since this one no longer combos so am free to rechoose)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel i7 870 (does this upgrade warrant the $60 from the i5? I think it does:D )
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

+ optical drive which dusn't really matter.

What do you guys think of this build? Not very many of the components are on sale right now, so I am going to camp prices for a while. Is this build overall better than the i7 930 build? I am hoping that after I camp sales, I will be able to save ~$200 off the 930 build.
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August 27, 2010 6:23:27 AM

Looks good.

Cases are really a personal thing. Have a look at the Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced, Storm Scout, HAF 922 and SilverStone Raven RV02-E as well.
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August 27, 2010 1:52:55 PM

Best answer selected by xiangjiao.
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