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Anonymous
August 24, 2010 6:59:23 PM

I haven't been keeping an eye on the PC market in the past few years, so I don't have the best knowledge of the good buys these days... That said, I've been reading up on here for the past few days and I've learned a bit and maybe I can apply it.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: As soon as possible; by Friday, August 27

BUDGET RANGE: $1000 CAD (max $1200 with tax), lower is better and I have no urge to spend as much cash as I can.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, CAD, Word Processing, Internet

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers (although I would love recommendations, I don't want to include it in the budget), OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
newegg.ca

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:
Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: No firm preferences, although I'm wary of ATI after dealing with their drivers for years... Probably grabbing a GTX460 1GB, unless persuaded otherwise (I've had good experiences with EVGA's cards, so I'm looking at theirs). I was checking out i7, but apparently they're going to be losing relevance (for lack of a better word) within the next half-year (or that was the idea I got, correct me if I'm wrong). That said, I have no preference between Intel and AMD.

OVERCLOCKING: There's a chance, but not for sure.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: I'd like to have the option for the future, so yes. However, I think I recall reading that AMD doesn't support SLI/Crossfire well? If the AMD is the absolute best processor for me (given the previously noted i7 situation), I don't mind missing out on SLI/Crossfire.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Can't say...Haven't chosen a monitor.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Most importantly, I'd like a case that isn't flashy. I don't want LEDs, windows, etc., just a very well-functioning case. Other than that, it would be nice for it to be quiet.


I apologize that I find myself unable to provide you guys an extensive list of parts, but I suppose I did suggest a couple and so I can link to those and a build that I thought looked pretty good, just for reference:

The available EVGA GTX 460 1GB GPUs; I'm not sure which would be best for me: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=EN...

The build I liked: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/292517-31-gaming-buil...

Thanks in advance and sorry for not being too helpful!
August 24, 2010 10:18:57 PM

Why newegg.ca? They generally don't have the best prices. NCIX is good.

Do you need to include the monitor in the budget? You would be better off with Intel in this build but not if you need a monitor at a total of $1000.
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August 24, 2010 10:32:06 PM

second ncix and try and pick off parts from their weekly deals.
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Anonymous
August 24, 2010 10:45:30 PM

Proximon said:
Why newegg.ca? They generally don't have the best prices. NCIX is good.

Do you need to include the monitor in the budget? You would be better off with Intel in this build but not if you need a monitor at a total of $1000.


I wasn't aware of NCIX, so thanks for the heads up!

I'd like to keep the monitor within the budget, but I suppose I could do it separately if it's worth the extra performance.
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August 24, 2010 11:01:17 PM

NCIX's prices for some things is way higher than newegg... But they will pricematch.

Directcanada is a part of ncix too.
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August 24, 2010 11:41:21 PM

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I wasn't aware of NCIX, so thanks for the heads up!

I'd like to keep the monitor within the budget, but I suppose I could do it separately if it's worth the extra performance.



That would depend on the type of CAD work you are doing and how important it is, but since you put gaming first I guess you answered that ;) 

AMD it is.


X4 955 -162
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=47459&vpn=HDZ955FBGMB...

Asus 870 MB -120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52676&vpn=M4...

4GB G.Skill DDR3 1333 CL7 -99
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42744&vpn=F3-10666CL7...

Lian Li PC-7FNB -120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46689&vpn=PC...
Obviously a lot of case. Very classy and very high quality, but not flashy. If we need to trim it down we certainly can.

Seasonic S12II 520W -75
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=52173&vpn=S12II%20520...

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 715MHZ 1GB -254
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=54506&vpn=GV-N460OC-1...

Seagate 1TB drive -80
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=37232&vpn=ST...

Optical drive -30
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47343&vpn=GH...

Win 7 -124
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271

BENQ 24" 2ms monitor -210
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45037&vpn=E2...

That puts you right around 1300. We could whittle it down a bit, and in fact it might come to less at checkout or if you do some price matching.



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Anonymous
August 25, 2010 12:42:19 AM

Proximon said:
That would depend on the type of CAD work you are doing and how important it is, but since you put gaming first I guess you answered that ;) 

AMD it is.


X4 955 -162
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=47459&vpn=HDZ955FBGMB...

Asus 870 MB -120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52676&vpn=M4...

4GB G.Skill DDR3 1333 CL7 -99
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=42744&vpn=F3-10666CL7...

Lian Li PC-7FNB -120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46689&vpn=PC...
Obviously a lot of case. Very classy and very high quality, but not flashy. If we need to trim it down we certainly can.

Seasonic S12II 520W -75
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=52173&vpn=S12II%20520...

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 Fermi 715MHZ 1GB -254
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=54506&vpn=GV-N460OC-1...

Seagate 1TB drive -80
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=37232&vpn=ST...

Optical drive -30
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=47343&vpn=GH...

Win 7 -124
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271

BENQ 24" 2ms monitor -210
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=45037&vpn=E2...

That puts you right around 1300. We could whittle it down a bit, and in fact it might come to less at checkout or if you do some price matching.


Yeah, CAD is definitely secondary to gaming.

The PSU and mobo look good.

Would it be worth it to stretch to 6GB or 8GB RAM? 1GB taken up by W7 leaves only 3GB, which worries me a bit...

I know the Lian Li stuff is nice quality and that's exactly the kind of look I'm trying to get, but like you said, it is a bit pricey and I'm also a bit concerned about the ventilation.

The power supply looks good, although possibly not enough power for SLI/Crossfire?

I see the Gigabyte is $30 cheaper than the EVGA...other than price is there any distinct advantage of one over the other?

I've heard Seagates have a tendency to fail, is that true and would I be safer going with WD?

For the monitor, I'm hoping for an LED backlight, so would the LG from the other build be good? ( http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... ). Also there are two highly rated Asus LED LCDs, but how reliable is Asus? Those two are here:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
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August 25, 2010 1:18:39 AM

RAM prices are dropping, so add the other 4GB later if you need it ;) 

You can't SLI on an AMD chipset, and the 870 board won't let you crossfire.

here is a nice case that just needs some more fans to be good
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53537&vpn=DE...

Fans
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=33852&vpn=D1...
YLs tend to have a nicer noise frequency. This is red, but not LED. Good price
The Gigabyte GPU has a nice cooling system and might OC better. It's had good reviews and I've been using it a lot in recommendations lately.

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Anonymous
August 25, 2010 3:58:01 AM

How does this combo look? It ends up cheaper than what you had previously and looks like a great deal to me. There are LEDs and a window, but if it's a good deal like I think it is, I can deal with it or replace the fans with the YLs that you posted.

Combo (CPU, mobo, RAM, PSU, Case) - 546
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?It...

Add to that:

Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB - 240
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - 80
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

WD Caviar Black 1TB - 95
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Optical drive - 24
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=27-106-3...


LG 21.5" LED LCD 5ms - 190
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

Asus 23" LED LCD 2ms - 210
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

Asus 21.5" LED LCD 2ms - 210
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Win 7 - 100
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...


So that ends up around $1200.



Or there's this combo that I could build around that also ends up cheaper than the previous build:

Combo (RAM, GPU, mobo) - 425
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Item...

Then adding to that one...

X4 955 - 162
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

OR

X4 965 - 175
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


Lian Li PC-7FNB - 120
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46689&vpn=PC...

(or whichever other case)


Seasonic 520W - 64
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - 80
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

WD Caviar Black 1TB - 95
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Optical drive - 24
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=27-106-3...


LG 21.5" LED LCD 5ms - 190
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

Asus 23" LED LCD 2ms - 210
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

OR

Asus 21.5" LED LCD 2ms - 210
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...


Win 7 - 100
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

And that one also ends up ~$1200.
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August 25, 2010 4:29:00 AM

Something is going on with newegg.ca links and me. I don't quite understand what it is... I end up at the front page but with a loong URL string that was not present in your link. Every once in a while I get through though. Can't be good. I can copy the URL and paste it to the browser though.
Doesn't look like a hijacking... maybe some thing with one of my security plugins.

Here's my take on the Thuban vs. the Deneb.
The X4 955 is unlocked and quite easy to OC. The Thuban is not.
Gaming performance is going to be identical or nearly so.
The Thuban might be a better CAD CPU at stock speeds.

I think your second build is good, as long as you realize a the board will not have USB 3 or SATA 6GB/S.

If you favor WD I say go for it. NOT as fast as the drive I listed but I won't personally use anything but WD.

I linked the BENQ for very specific reasons. They have good response times and low input lag. and are recommended in the Anandtech LCD thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226
But it has not been updated in a long time I think.

I personally use an LG. Are these guys near you? This is a great deal on a good monitor
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...
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Anonymous
August 25, 2010 5:17:17 AM

Proximon said:
Something is going on with newegg.ca links and me. I don't quite understand what it is... I end up at the front page but with a loong URL string that was not present in your link. Every once in a while I get through though. Can't be good. I can copy the URL and paste it to the browser though.
Doesn't look like a hijacking... maybe some thing with one of my security plugins.

Here's my take on the Thuban vs. the Deneb.
The X4 955 is unlocked and quite easy to OC. The Thuban is not.
Gaming performance is going to be identical or nearly so.
The Thuban might be a better CAD CPU at stock speeds.

I think your second build is good, as long as you realize a the board will not have USB 3 or SATA 6GB/S.

If you favor WD I say go for it. NOT as fast as the drive I listed but I won't personally use anything but WD.

I linked the BENQ for very specific reasons. They have good response times and low input lag. and are recommended in the Anandtech LCD thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226
But it has not been updated in a long time I think.

I personally use an LG. Are these guys near you? This is a great deal on a good monitor
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...


Alright, after reading up some more, it looks like you're right and I'm better off with the X4 than the X6...that then raises the question of 955 vs 965...any opinion on that? $15 difference makes it tougher...

I'll see if I can find any other good combos with mobos that support USB 3.0 and SATA 6GB/s, because it's only a matter of time before those are common...

I'll probably get the WD and I always see the Caviar Black recommended; should I try to stick with that over Green and Blue?

Canada Computers is near, I could easily get there. I'm just hoping for an LED LCD; the Acers were LED LCD and has 2ms response time...any good?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

And why would two differently sized monitors of apparently the same model be priced the same?
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August 25, 2010 6:36:47 AM

Ok the newegg.ca thing is starting to creep me out.

If you can pick up a monitor at the store, it's always better than ordering online :) 

I think either of those monitors will be fine, I just don't know enough about the newer ones yet. I can't say why the prices are the same, except perhaps the larger is more popular.
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August 25, 2010 7:17:14 AM

Installed noscript, problem gone ;) 
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Anonymous
August 25, 2010 7:49:44 AM

I think I've come up with what I feel like is a fairly final build... There are just a couple things I need to decide between. I found as much of the parts as I could locally or semi-locally to cut down on shipping costs.

CPU:
X4 955 - 158
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CPU-AMD-HDZ955FBGMBOX
OR
X4 965 - 181
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=CPU-AMD-HDZ965FBGMBOX

Mobo:
Asus M4A88TD-V - 130
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

RAM:
G.Skill DDR3 1600 4GB - 100
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

GPU:
Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB - 240
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

HDD:
WD Caviar Black 1TB - 95
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1...

Case:
Antec Three Hundred - 58
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6...
OR
Lian Li PC-7FNB - 140
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6...

[is there any distinct advantage of the Lian Li other than the build quality?]

PSU:
Corsair 650TX - 100
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3...

Optical drive:
Lite-On - 24
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=27-106-3...

[I may just grab some other optical drive here for convenience]

Monitor:
Asus 23" 2ms 50000:1 LED LCD - 210
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=LCD-AS-MS236H
OR
Asus 23" 2ms 100000:1 LED LCD - 230
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=LCD-AS-MS238H

Comes out ~$1100-1200.

How does it look?
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August 25, 2010 8:00:40 AM



On the cases, brushed aluminum vs. plastic, the Lian Li will have a bit more room and is probably lighter. It's something you have to see to understand, really. If you want to cut cost the Antec will work.

I cannot recommend the Corsair 650TX. Corsair just changed the OEM. It was a great Seasonic unit, now it's made by CWT... and there are no reviews. CWT makes several good PSUs, and Corsair cares about quality, but I'm not giving that one a pass just yet.

Everything else looks great. Get the 955 and a good cooler
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8...




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August 25, 2010 10:55:59 AM

Yep that's fine for pretty much any single GPU setup.
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August 25, 2010 2:14:33 PM

CPU-AMD Phenom II X4 955 -$147.91
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360AC6599&v...

AMD Phenom II X4 965-$170.51
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/223078/AMD/HDZ965FBGM...

MOBO-ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO-$124.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

RAM-Corsair CMX4GX3M2A1600C7-$119.99 plus $20 mir
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB CL7-$98.99 Plus $10 mir
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

GPU- Same

HDD-Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S-$87.99
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=50895&promoi...

Case-Antec Three Hundred -$49.79
http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/155716/ANTEC/THREE_HU...
Lian Li PC-7FNB-$119
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=46689

PSU-Same

Monitor-Asus VH236H, 23" Widescreen Full 1080p LCD Monitor, 1920X1080, 5ms, 20000 :1(DCR) w/2x2W Stereo Speakers, VGA, DVI, and HDMI-$ 169.99 after mir
http://www1.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_i...

Asus MS238H-$ 209.99
http://www1.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_i...

some of those components will save you $30 good enough to pricematch and go towards shipping from NCIX especially if some ship out of Markham which will make shipping cheaper.
I hear what your saying if you have a local Canada Computers my last two builds were a combo of items from CC and NCIX.
If you live in the north GTA you can pick stuff up you ordered from NCIX walk-in at the Markham location no shipping charges.
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Anonymous
August 25, 2010 3:22:06 PM

That Mushkin RAM looks awesome...
http://pccyber.com/?v=Product&i=RAM-MK-996782

100 there, so I'll just pick it up locally. Rather than +10 shipping -10 MIR to end up the same price.

And sadly, I'm not in the GTA, I'm in Ottawa... We head down there a few times per year, but I don't see any trips in the very near future. It's too bad, that would have been a great opportunity.
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