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August 26, 2010 7:37:14 PM

This would be my first attempt at a build. I went to cyberpower pc to get an idea of what would actually go into a computer and what I might want to look for. This computer will be used for both gaming and other matters, so should be able to run Photoshop CS, Word, etc, as well as easily run MMOs like D&D Online, Sims 3, and various CD-related games (Age of Empires, for example). And music, yes. We do like our music. ;) 

Here's the build I have thus far. I'll be buying mostly from NewEgg whenever possible. I do have a budget, however.

Case: RAIDMAX Typhoon ATX-312WS Black SECC ATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156244

Processor: AMD Phenom™II X4 965 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology (125W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

CPU Fan: CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 Gaming CPU Cooling Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064 (I assume the case has its own default fans?)

Mobo: MSI 770-G45 AM3 770 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB2.0, SATA-II, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130250

Mem: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP4GX3M2B1600C8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145303

HDD: 1.5TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

Video: SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102858

Sound: Creative Labs SB Audigy SE
http://us.store.creative.com/Sound-Blaster-Audigy-SE/M/B000LP0R3E.htm

Optical: MSI 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-18D4P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827100067

OS: Windows 7
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
RAID: no
Monitor: Have one
Speakers: can get them

Anything else I might be missing? :) 

-Shadeling

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a b B Homebuilt system
August 26, 2010 11:27:49 PM

There is not reason not to get a newer 870, 880 or 890 chipset motherboard with USB3 and SATA 6GB. The prices are so close and USB3 will likely be useful very soon.
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a b B Homebuilt system
August 27, 2010 2:43:44 AM

$664AR for tower?
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August 27, 2010 3:20:33 AM

dndhatcher said:
There is not reason not to get a newer 870, 880 or 890 chipset motherboard with USB3 and SATA 6GB. The prices are so close and USB3 will likely be useful very soon.


Would this one be better, then?

MSI 890GXM-G65 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130269R
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August 27, 2010 3:49:21 AM

I would switch the RAM to this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It has better timings for identical price.

Corsair are quality brand but overpriced. G Skill are just as good and my preffered choice over corsair.

Is only a small modification, but you get slightly better performance for same price.

Comes down to preference at the end of the day.
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August 27, 2010 4:24:08 AM

Just realised you are doing an AMD build and not intel, scratch my last post.
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August 27, 2010 10:49:41 PM

dndhatcher said:
I wouldnt buy open box. My own experience is that ASUS and Gigabyte are more reliable then MSI.


Ah, a second one for ASUS. I'll have to look into that.

As for the case: is it large enough, or should I look at a better one?
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August 27, 2010 10:51:13 PM

rikishi19 said:
I would switch the RAM to this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It has better timings for identical price.

Corsair are quality brand but overpriced. G Skill are just as good and my preffered choice over corsair.

Is only a small modification, but you get slightly better performance for same price.

Comes down to preference at the end of the day.



Are they compatible with a Phenom II X4?
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a b B Homebuilt system
August 27, 2010 11:06:15 PM

I like that ASUS motherboard just fine.

RAM compatibility is with the motherboard, not CPU. Basically all DDR3 RAM is compatible with all AM3 motherboards, if the RAMs voltage rating is 1.65V or less.


The case says "ATX" so it will handle any ATX size motherboard. The only possible issue with an ATX case is if you buy a large graphics card. By large I mean longer than the 9.6 inches wide an ATX motherboard is. With a 5770 or 460 there are no worries. I do see problems with that case, though.

One problem with that case is the width is too narrow to fit good 120MM tower coolers. You want an 8.1 inch wide case to hold a good 120mm tower cooler like the coolermaster hyper 212 plus, xigmatec balder or dark knight, sunbeam core contact freezer or Scythe mugen 2 (scmg-2100).

Another problem is that the fan is place above the CPU and not the graphics card. It is and old design from when the CPU coolers aligned the fan horizontally over the CPU and graphics cards were not the primary heat generator.

The last problem is that while it has a nice big 120mm intake on the front and an 80mm intake on the side, there is only one 80mm exhaust fan to pump the hot air out. If it had a top vent with another 120mm exhaust fan it would be great, but as it is I worry about possible problems venting the hot air out.

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August 27, 2010 11:13:51 PM

That motherboard looks fine to me. I've never done an AMD build myself, so I'm not so hot on AMD motherboards, but it looks fine to me. Someone feel free to suggest a better board for his needs if there is one.

But I would definately stick with an ASUS board, with Gigabyte a great alternative.

This is a great case, but pricier:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You won't go wrong with this case, heaps of space and great ventilation.
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August 30, 2010 9:55:53 PM

dndhatcher said:

One problem with that case is the width is too narrow to fit good 120MM tower coolers. You want an 8.1 inch wide case to hold a good 120mm tower cooler like the coolermaster hyper 212 plus, xigmatec balder or dark knight, sunbeam core contact freezer or Scythe mugen 2 (scmg-2100).

Another problem is that the fan is place above the CPU and not the graphics card. It is and old design from when the CPU coolers aligned the fan horizontally over the CPU and graphics cards were not the primary heat generator.


Would an 8.0 inch wide case work, or does it need to be wider than that?

And is this case old design or new?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156242
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a b B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 10:27:39 PM

I would think 8 would be fine.

Look at the pictures and see where the side panel vent/fan is. You want one with the vent over the PCI slots, not the rear exhaust fan.

Look at the picture of the antec 300 illusion with the door open. See how low the side vent is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...
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September 1, 2010 2:37:46 AM

rikishi19 said:
what is your budget though?


My current budget is between $900-1000. If I can get a build in that range that would let me upgrade a couple of things fairly easily later on, that'd work as well. I'm having to save up for something else at the same time, though, or I'd probably up that by at least another $200-500. :/ 

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September 1, 2010 2:51:44 AM

dndhatcher said:
I would think 8 would be fine.

Look at the pictures and see where the side panel vent/fan is. You want one with the vent over the PCI slots, not the rear exhaust fan.

Look at the picture of the antec 300 illusion with the door open. See how low the side vent is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...



I don't believe this is the Illusion, but it IS an Antec 300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Would it work as well? It seems to have the low side vent and the width needed for a 120mm fan.
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September 1, 2010 3:01:16 AM

Ok, well I just did a calculation of the items you have listed:

If you use everything in your OP with the following modifications:

1. Swap the case for the HAF 922 I suggested
2. Get rid of the CPU fan (you don't need it).
3. Swap the mobo for the ASUS one you found.
4. Switch the RAM to the one I suggested.

Then it comes in at $875.90.

So you still have a little left to spare with that set-up.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 1, 2010 4:48:18 PM

shadeling said:
I don't believe this is the Illusion, but it IS an Antec 300.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Would it work as well? It seems to have the low side vent and the width needed for a 120mm fan.

Its the same case without the front 2 intake fans installed.

Right now the black is on sale so its a better deal. If you are not pressed for time, the illusion will probably go on sale for $60 and free shipping, or you might find it somewhere else on sale right now. If you arent putting lots of HDDs or hot graphics cards in, the front fans are not needed.
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September 2, 2010 6:00:04 PM

dndhatcher said:
Its the same case without the front 2 intake fans installed.

Right now the black is on sale so its a better deal. If you are not pressed for time, the illusion will probably go on sale for $60 and free shipping, or you might find it somewhere else on sale right now. If you arent putting lots of HDDs or hot graphics cards in, the front fans are not needed.


The one HDD that I have listed should be enough for the gaming AND what all else I want to do with it? Because I do have an external HD that I got as a gift to store a lot of other stuff if there's a problem (a Seagate Freeagent 320GB). I just tend to prefer my stuff where I can access it and manipulate it and save it all in the same place.

Also: would rikishi19's build (with what he just offered as replacements to my original one) work just fine? I ask because I like accord. ;) 
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September 2, 2010 6:02:30 PM

rikishi19 said:
Ok, well I just did a calculation of the items you have listed:

If you use everything in your OP with the following modifications:

1. Swap the case for the HAF 922 I suggested
2. Get rid of the CPU fan (you don't need it).
3. Swap the mobo for the ASUS one you found.
4. Switch the RAM to the one I suggested.

Then it comes in at $875.90.

So you still have a little left to spare with that set-up.



That build would work much better and do what I need it to, then? And I can upgrade it later if necessary (when necessary) without having to buy what makes up a whole new computer all at once? (I have an eMachine at the moment, store-bought, and it's about 6-7 years old now - and having restart probs - but in the end it's just not up to snuff when it comes to gaming these days).
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 2, 2010 6:31:49 PM

Now that I have experienced the joy of having dust filters, I dont think I could buy a HAF 922 since it doesnt have them. Other than that is is one of the best and largest cases for the price and many people praise them.

You need some CPU fan, though your CPU may come with a barely acceptable one already. You need to check your CPU to see if it does or not.
The Kingwin 1264 is only $25 and is a decent 120mm cooler you could get instead.

Ripjaws just jumped $20 in price.
Gskills Eco series is lower voltage and doesnt have the "jaws" heat spreaders that can sometimes get in the way of the CPU heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 5, 2010 6:08:43 AM

Final build:

Memory: G. Skill ECO series:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231321

CPU Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Mobo: ASUS 870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651

Case: Cooler Master HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197

Processor: AMD Phenom IIX4 965 (125w)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.11
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

PSU: Corsair CMPSU-850TX 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 5770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Optical Drive: MSI 18X/48X DVD-ROM/CD-ROM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827100067

Sound card: Sound Blaster Audigy SE
http://us.store.creative.com/Sound-Blaster-Audigy-SE/M/B000LP0R3E.htm

OS: Windows 7 (64-bit)
Speakers, Monitor, mouse, keyboard - already have them


So, last call: anything with this updated build need changing? The optical drive? Video Card?
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September 5, 2010 4:30:20 PM

dndhatcher said:
Now that I have experienced the joy of having dust filters, I dont think I could buy a HAF 922 since it doesnt have them. Other than that is is one of the best and largest cases for the price and many people praise them.

You need some CPU fan, though your CPU may come with a barely acceptable one already. You need to check your CPU to see if it does or not.
The Kingwin 1264 is only $25 and is a decent 120mm cooler you could get instead.

Ripjaws just jumped $20 in price.
Gskills Eco series is lower voltage and doesnt have the "jaws" heat spreaders that can sometimes get in the way of the CPU heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I've posted a "final" build now. Updated and such. :)  Feel free to have a go at it.
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September 5, 2010 4:31:31 PM

rikishi19 said:
Ok, well I just did a calculation of the items you have listed:

If you use everything in your OP with the following modifications:

1. Swap the case for the HAF 922 I suggested
2. Get rid of the CPU fan (you don't need it).
3. Swap the mobo for the ASUS one you found.
4. Switch the RAM to the one I suggested.

Then it comes in at $875.90.

So you still have a little left to spare with that set-up.



Well, I did an updated, "final" type of build and listed it, so feel free to have a look if you desire. :) 
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September 15, 2010 7:53:22 PM

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