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$1000-1300 Budget Gaming First Built Computer (FFXIV)

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August 27, 2010 6:16:43 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the Week?

BUDGET RANGE: $1000-1300

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Pure Gaming(FFXIV) (For practically everything else I Have Laptop for Schoolwork and other stuff )

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor (for now will later have to run it on my HDTV so I can put more budget toward power of the machine)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.newegg.com (new to building though so open to suggestions) (think it is down at the moment)

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United States

PARTS PREFERENCES: Processor= AMD (from my understanding more performance for the cost), could probably swing to INTEL

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe (Don't understand the full concept behind it yet still learning)

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: I want the option of it probably going to do GTX460 (x2) later probably with Monitor.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: HDTV for now but would get a new Monitor sometime next month(probably around the end toward my birthday)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This is my first build and I have been asking around a lot. I am understanding more how the computer works and how it would be pieced together. This computer build I am about to show has some stuff my friend recommended about overclocking and the Black edition allows it to happen easier but I found this site has lots of good tutorial stuff I am going to look through before I order. Since I am still deciding I am still taking lots of suggestion and help about what to look forward to with this and such, but I think I understand this system pretty well. This computer first test would be FFXIV so that is the necessity I need to make sure my first build

WHAT I HAVE IN IDEA FOR FIRST BUILD (Some Help with my friend):

ASUS M4N75TD AM3 NVIDIA nForce 750a SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
& Windows 7 64 Bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
& G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
& XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Green WD5000AADS 500GB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V REV.W with ACK-I5361 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler I7 i5 775 AMD compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill RTK-001 Premium Anti-Static Wrist Strap (Unless a better recommendation?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 27, 2010 7:19:32 AM

Changing Drive to:
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With some quick study it seems that the Benchmark does not support SLI or Crossfire
and its still uncertain if the full version will support it.
Some games do not support SLI yet since its starting to become more popular now right(stating usually FPS support it which I will play)?
Would having SLI benefit in other future gaming choices or should I go for a different GPU?
I understand that the GTX 460 is pretty decent GPU stand alone anyway.

When I first get this built I would only be running the 1 GPU until I can afford another, but if the SLI isn't as good as I thought it was I rather pull some more out of savings and get a better stand alone GPU right up front instead of SLI(ing).

"The game is built around DX9, which does not support SLI/Crossfire. Its that simple. SE has said themselves that they would like to add it in the future, but it wont be available at release" Quote but no source
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August 27, 2010 7:25:22 AM

^ GTX 460 SLI is I would say a best way to spend on 2 cards, but the main point here is that whether it would benefit you i.e., w.r.t FFXIV...
I can say for sure that in games supporting SLI/ Crossfire, GTX 460 SLI would be the best value...

Also like I said SLI and AMD is not a good combo...So if SLI, then you would need to take Intel route, but would increase cost though...

HDD - Why not the Samsung F3 1TB?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 27, 2010 7:38:14 AM

$10 more for double the memory. Might as well. Haha.

I would have to Gimp my computer for 1 GPU(when I do get 2) whenever I played FFXIV if they never have SLI support to get better performance from what I am reading and understanding.

The Intel route this is were I am lost. My friend that helped me with this build is total AMD guy so its been hard getting information about Intel from him. Someone suggested to me that the Intel i5 750(if I remember) runs better and I even saw some benchmarks where it did run better. The thing he loves about AMD is the cost for performance.

Why is SLI and AMD not a good mix?
Any suggestions on a Motherboard to build an Intel with SLI?
I would like to stay with nVidia over ATI I think now.
One of the INTEL builds I messed around with had these for a change.

ASUS SABERTOOTH 55i LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
& Windows 7 64 Bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760
& OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1333LV4GK.NE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Brings the Build up to 1150ish but thats okay I like the lower budget of AMD but I want to make sure I get the computer I want. Come from a family with Bias against AMD because we had 3 prebuilts that they failed on(I try not to take on that bias).
Guy I talked with earlier said that the Intel i5 will run at lower energy and at overclocking it might be less straining?
I do plan to overclock parts eventually but only after I study way to much on it.
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August 27, 2010 8:04:07 AM

punnar said:
Take a look at Part 4: Building A Balanced Gaming PC. I know it don't have the 400 series yet but it's a good guide.



Getting through it and some of the data is just wow.
The Intel i7 really ran with some of those GPU in some tests.
Would really like to see how the GTX 460 would act but I'll continue going through this more thoroughly.
The CPU and GPU would be nice to build and have little bottle neck(The whole reason I needed to idea this desktop is because my laptops Graphic Card Bottle necks the whole system just below the minimum for FFXIV.
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August 27, 2010 8:35:10 AM

^ Here is an Intle build, and instead of the i7, stick with the i5
i5 760 + GTX 460
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro + GSKillz 4GB DDR3 - Has proper implementation of SATA 6GB/s and USB3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Lian-Li + XFX 650W - The GTX 460s are not that power hungry cards, so 650W would suffice for 2x GTX 460s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD -
Samsung F3 that I had linked...
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August 27, 2010 8:37:46 AM

zaakystyles said:
Getting through it and some of the data is just wow.
The Intel i7 really ran with some of those GPU in some tests.
Would really like to see how the GTX 460 would act but I'll continue going through this more thoroughly.
The CPU and GPU would be nice to build and have little bottle neck(The whole reason I needed to idea this desktop is because my laptops Graphic Card Bottle necks the whole system just below the minimum for FFXIV.


Intel has done really well with their Turbo Boost and AMD is just implementing some type of overclocking technology into their X6 chips but I've read a lot of posts from people who are unhappy with the X6 performance with games.
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August 27, 2010 8:45:16 AM

gkay09 said:
^ Here is an Intle build, and instead of the i7, stick with the i5
i5 760 + GTX 460
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS P7P55D-E Pro + GSKillz 4GB DDR3 - Has proper implementation of SATA 6GB/s and USB3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Lian-Li + XFX 650W - The GTX 460s are not that power hungry cards, so 650W would suffice for 2x GTX 460s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD -
Samsung F3 that I had linked...


With the PSU? Could it still be good to keep the one I originally linked for future upgrades or builds? or will the downgrade to that one still work in future builds? I am stuck with the Antec 900 case(the design), but there are other combo deals with PSU that work with SLI with good ratings and such that I could switch out if the

XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91
Is too much for it? Its got like a $20 promo code right now that makes it nice to just get now
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August 27, 2010 8:52:42 AM

^ The 750W is a good one no doubt, but like I said, 2x GTX 460s will run on 650W without any issues...
Take a look at this case + PSU comsbo- Lian-Li K62
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The Lian-Li has full black interiors, the HDD mounts sideways so easy access and also not to forget the CPU backplate access without having to remove the mobo just incase you want to change the CPU cooler...but its your call though...
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August 27, 2010 8:54:10 AM

punnar said:
Intel has done really well with their Turbo Boost and AMD is just implementing some type of overclocking technology into their X6 chips but I've read a lot of posts from people who are unhappy with the X6 performance with games.


I think I am going to become the Intel lover. I don't mind payer the little bit more. Its like 40 bucks from the AMD Phenom II 995 BE to Intel i5. The build I have set in my cart right now is probably what I am going to get. I feel safer with the Intel(family prebuilts having 3 AMD Processors fail on them)

Friend updated me on the Build he recommended me(he actually bought it for himself 3 days before I asked him about building my own computer)
"Oh, the computer I bought is awesome btw. It's exactly the one I linked you. (except the case) I get 70 fps in L4D2 with max everything. I get about 30-40 fps in Just Cause 2 with most things set to max."

My build is at 1133 with Shipping.
I think its probably what I am going to get. I could probably shave some off, smaller Harddrive or wait on the heatsink but I think I would be extremely happy with what I have on it right now :D 
http://yfrog.com/ndintelbuildp
(It has an Optical Drive too, Figured you don't need to see that)
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August 27, 2010 9:19:13 AM

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August 27, 2010 9:24:54 AM

Definately, nervous about my first build, watched a bunch of youtube videos of computers being put together + read lots of write ups and probably will give the manuals two reads.

Thinking about just getting a monitor right off the bat If I have to pull 100 from my savings might as well pull a little more for it.
Been saving for a engine overhaul for my bus. dad gave me a core to work with and it had everything spare a few parts.
Would of been easy to overhaul it but he took it back to rebuild for his car.

Now to do a rebuild I would have to wait for my engine to die. Might as well just take that savings towards a monitor and such.
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September 6, 2010 8:37:07 PM

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