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August 27, 2010 2:32:52 PM

Good morning!! I have gotten a lot of info from other sites and trying to pull it together. This will be my very first computer build. Trying to stay around the $1000 usd range and primarily wil be used for internet, general word processing (nothing special, just Microsoft office 2007) and some gaming. I play Call of duty and many of the Sports games, such as NHL 2010.

I'm looking for a system that can grow. I know systems appear to be obsolete 10 min after you build them, but would like something thats going to last awhile. My current system is 3 or 4 yrs old, a Dell XPS 410. Here is what I have in mind:

Keep in mind, its my first build and I do not want to go and start cutting cases, etc etc,lol Thank you.

CASE:
Antec Sonata 3 with 500 watt power (around 120 at newegg_

MOTHERBOARD:

1) Gigabyte GA-P55a-UD4P (185 new egg)
or
2) ASUS SABERTOOTH 55i LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard ($170 newegg)

Which 1 would u prefer????

PROCESSOR:
Intel Core i7870 ($289 new egg)

RAM:
Crucial ballistix PC3-12800 DDR3 ($280 for 8GB)

VIDEO CARD:
EVGA GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Video Card ($182 newegg)

HARD DRIVE:
HITACHI Deskstar H3IK20003272SP (0S02861) 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive ($109 newegg)

DVD: RW

Not sure any recomendations?????? Just need to be able to burn and fast is always good

OPERATING SYSTEM
Windows 7, I have a .edu addy (not sure if it still works, as I graduated last yr) So would like to get a full copy of Windows 7, any recommendations??? And should one get the "builders" windows 7?

NETWORK CARD??????

have verizon fios, so what works best with that and the system built?????

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated, thank you very much. Scott





August 27, 2010 3:13:24 PM

no no no, go with a gtx 460 1gb, and an i5 760, and 8gb of ram is overkill 4gb is perfect now, actually i would go for an amd system right now like an amd phenom II x4 965 and a 5850 or 5870 gpu
August 27, 2010 3:18:51 PM

Just curious why 1 would go down to a i5 vice the i7??? Thinking of long term, wouldn't the i7 be a bit better?
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August 27, 2010 3:28:47 PM

well if you are thinking long term go for lga 1366, so that would mean getting an i7 930 and an x58 mobo, the only thing the i7 870 benefits over the i5 760 is HT which does not make a difference in gaming, they will probably perform equally while gaming and the i5 760 is cheaper, the reason to go for lga 1366 is that you have a better upgrade path and in the future you can upgrade to a i7 980x when it gets cheaper, as for getting the i7 870 it would mean no upgrade path cpu wise as it is lga 1156, thats why i think going amd is better right now, because intel are releasing new cpus and so on later and are releasing new sockets, if you go for the amd it would mean you would have a much better upgrade path as socket am3 (amds socket) will support the new bulldozer cpus meaning that in the future when you feel your pc needs an upgrade you can just chuck in a new cpu and not have to buy a new motherboard, and as amd cpus are cheaper you can spend the money saved on a better graphics card
August 27, 2010 3:33:13 PM

Interesting.

Doyou have any recommendations for AMD MOBO, processor and game card,lol have you posted anywhere of a set up that you would recommend??

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August 27, 2010 3:45:42 PM
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mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hdd http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


or this 1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

how much do you want to spend on a case? and are you going to be overclocking? if you are then you can go for a phenom II x4 955 as it is the same chip the 965 is just at 3.4 ghz and the 955 is at 3.2 ghz so if you are overclocking that would not make a difference and you could save a few bucks
August 27, 2010 3:55:16 PM

I just want a nice system,lol! I'm willing to spend more $$$ on a case if it helps keep the system cooler and makes for an easy install!

Prob not going to overclock it, as it is my first build.

For the HDD, would the hitachi 2GB 1 I listed above be better?? I like a large Hard drive!


I truly appreciate all your help, and I think i will go ahead and order what ur recomending. thanks
August 27, 2010 4:40:36 PM

I do not need anything fancy, as it just sits below my desk!! Just require something thats can expand and its easy to install the varies components. thnaks
August 27, 2010 4:46:49 PM

the antec 300 should be fine then :) 
August 27, 2010 4:47:56 PM

or the coolermaster 690II it has good cable management, decent airflow and the case interior is painted
August 27, 2010 6:07:19 PM

the x6 is not very good at gaming its more towards the people who are mainly multitasking and people who use cs4 and so on
August 28, 2010 1:23:25 AM

Ok, here is my latest try and putting pieces together:


I have been on this all day,lol!! HERE is my latest set up:

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM $22.99

HD:
HITACHI Deskstar H3IK20003272SP (0S02861) 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $109

MOBO:
GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $108


COMBO deal: $115 power and case:

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified

AND

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

COMBO DEAL: $398 (Video card and processor)

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

and

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

Still need a Windows 7. Which 1 should I get?? Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM ????????? $99


AND what should I get for memory??? 4GB be enough??? When i type in my gigabyte mother board, in those memory finder programs, the GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 does not come up!!

Would this memory be good? G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM


ttl for system is around $987 minus approx $25 in rebates! All bought from newegg. I wonder since I bought so much they would waive the $21.75 in shipping??

thank you.
August 28, 2010 6:59:56 AM

raher get two samsung spinpoint f3 1tb hdds they are faster and if 1 crashes you still have some your data on the other unlike getting 1 2tb harddrive and when that crashes you are screwed, the gskill ripjaws RAM is good, yes stick with 4gb of RAM
August 28, 2010 7:01:12 AM

is the motherboard i suggested out of your price range (the ud5)
August 28, 2010 12:21:35 PM

gordon_81 said:
is the motherboard i suggested out of your price range (the ud5)


No, not at all. What are the benefits to the UD5 over the one I listed??
August 28, 2010 12:28:24 PM

has better features and can support true crossfire
August 28, 2010 12:36:21 PM

gordon_81 said:
has better features and can support true crossfire



OK, will go with the UD5

Anyhting else I should pick up for parts??? Thermal paste???? I need an anti-static strap, anythign else u can think of? Cables??

hopefully put the order in today. thanks a million, Scott
August 28, 2010 12:38:41 PM

oh ya--will any network card do??? Need to hook this up to my Verizon Fios Internet. thanks
August 28, 2010 12:46:40 PM

you dont need an anti static strap you just need to ground yourself properly, the stock heatsink will have thermal paste pre applied so it is not necessary, you wont have to get extra cables and so on and here is a network card that professional gamers use, its good http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 28, 2010 12:56:47 PM

I do not go online that often to play games,lol Guess I'm a loner,lol I'm assuming any network card wil do ok, as this 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What do u think of this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and fan power supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Oh ya, should one buy any extra fans to keep it cool??

soooooo many questions, sorry. You have been of great help, ty
August 28, 2010 6:00:21 PM

Reading up on the Motherboard,one does NOT need to go and buy and extra network card! is that correct??

GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

think I have a decent system, here is what I hope the final pkg will be:


MOBO
GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard


COMBO DEAL: $398 (Video card and processor)

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

and

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX

HD:
HITACHI Deskstar H3IK20003272SP (0S02861) 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $109

MAY replace that with the Samsung f3 1TB????


COMBO deal: $115 power and case:

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified

AND

Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case


Still looking at other cases/power supplies! Dont care for looks, just want something with good air flow and easy to work on!!!!

and will use Windows 7 64 bit. Already have monitor/keyboard/mouse.



Any suggestions on cases/power supplies would be super. Thanks

August 28, 2010 9:05:24 PM

look for a combo on a coolermaster 690II case, yes you dont need a network card its just nice as it reduces your ping, as i said get 2 samsung spinpoint 1tb hdds. but otherwise your build is good, just look for some combos but i think you should pull the trigger
August 28, 2010 9:36:20 PM

Will look for the cool master 690II!!

Right now have a Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with a COOLER MASTER Silent Pro M600 RS-600-AMBA-D3 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular

in my basket at Newegg! Ttl is $989!!

I have gone with just the 1--samsung f3 1TB drive. Think thats th eonly thing that differs from my list above!!!
August 28, 2010 10:00:30 PM

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August 29, 2010 1:41:16 PM

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Ok, more changes,lol Thinking of going with this case:

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Gets very good reviews!!

Just looking for a good inexpensive power supply!!! I htink something around 500-600 watss should suffice! I thought I had one picked out, but I read that a PFC power supply would not work with a ATX case??

And I'm thinking of going with a less $$$ MOBO!! I may or may not overclock the 955. And I'm not a huger computer tinkerer!! Once i get it made, for the most part it wil stay that way for a few yrs, and maybe just switch out the video card down the road! Gigabyte has a few ones in the $120 price range that i think would suffice!! Take the savings from that and put into a power supply!

And what about paying a few more $$$ for the phenom 965, 3.4 Ghz??? would the difference between the 955 3.2 ghz be noticeable (with no overclocking????????)

off for a run. thanks
August 29, 2010 3:50:17 PM

if you are not going to get a 2nd gpu in the future and put it in crossfire, then go for the ud3 it should be fine, yes lian li cases are very good, you wont see much difference between the cpus but i guess go for the 965
August 30, 2010 1:10:49 AM

Hey if you want that case (It's great) then it has an even better combo with a good PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Additionally, are you planning on getting another video card in the future to use crossfire? You could switch to this motherboard if not and save ~$90.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With that $90, you could get an x4 955 and 5870 combo that comes with MW2 if you don't already have it and still save $20 compared to your current build not counting the more expensive case and power supply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
And for ~$12 more, you can get the same GPU with the x4 965:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

For ram, this is good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Same timings and lower voltage than your other ram for a dollar more.
August 30, 2010 2:02:46 AM

I Think I have it settled,lol Am I going to be adding a second video card?? 99% probably not!!! I may try over-clocking, but not likely!! Maybe yrs down the road, will get a new video card. I'm truly a NOOB. I'm not a hard core gamer,play Call of duty now and then and sports games such as NHL 2010--Go Flames and Caps!! So here is what I have in my NEwegg basket for a price of $917.62

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K58W Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

GIGABYTE GA-870A-UD3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM


The only changes I made from abaove are :

1) different lian case! $20 cheaper approx same size and great reviews! Think the big diff was 1 less fan

2) MOBO!! Saved a few $$$ and it good great reviews!

3) Phenom 965 over the 955! ya the 965 is just tweaked a bit more, but I'm a noob! For a few $$$ maybe its one less thing to worry about!!

Can't say enough how great of a forum this is! The sticky that contains all the info for us NOOBs is super! I have learned a great deal!! I had no idea even--that certain PSU would work with certain cases,lol Wel at first, i didn't even know what PSU stood for,lol

If ya see anything thats not comaptible or I can do a bit better, I'm all ears!! thanks
August 30, 2010 1:39:16 PM

well if you are not crossfiring then get a cheaper psu and try to see if you can save a bit more money on the other components and go for a 5870 it is worth it
August 30, 2010 6:18:57 PM

Still confused/torn onwhich MOBO to get!!! I have now come to the conclusion, I dont want to spend $180 on a MOBO!! Are there any around the low $100 range that is going to suite my needs?? What am I really loosing with a cheaper MOBO?? Most I have read, say to stick with ASUS or Gigabyte!! choices choices!!

How is this MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 31, 2010 11:33:28 PM

Final build--order put in with newegg:

HDD
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

MOBO
GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CASE:
COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

VIDEO:
XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

PROCESSOR:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

MEMORY
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM

POWER:
COOLER MASTER Silent Pro M600 RS-600-AMBA-D3 600W ATX12V V2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active


Thanks for the assistance, it has been greatly appreciated!!
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