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August 28, 2010 6:38:26 AM

Hey all,

I'm building a new computer, and since I play a lot of PC games I wanted to make something that'll be able to handle some of the new games that have and will be coming out. My computer is really outdated ATM so I'm planning on building a new computer from the ground up. Anyway I've picked out some parts and I wanted to get your guys opinions and also to check if everything is compatible.

Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200 RPM HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB 256-bit DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Processor
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ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
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RAIDMAX Scorpio ATX-868WBP Black 0.8mm Japanese SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420watts PS2 ATX12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


My budget is around 500-600$. Right now it's about 565$ with tax and shipping. I'm willing to go up to ~650$. I think maybe one of the things I can upgrade is the CPU? Not sure but 115$ for a CPU+mobo seem kinda cheap. Also I thought about going DDR3 memory (although I'd have to get a mobo that can use it) but I'm not really sure it's really worth the price. Also since the mobo is microATX will it be big enough to fit my GPU? I heard those things run pretty large, so I'm not sure...

I'm mainly going to be playing games like WoW, SC2, TF2, and such. I know those aren't really very graphic intensive games. I'm most definitely not going to be playing Crysis or such, but maybe S.T.A.L.K.E.R or CoD:MW2 or rather Black Ops. So I don't need anything top of the line. I just want to build a computer that will last me a few (or more preferably ) years while being able to handle most of the games I throw at it.

First of all I want to make sure everything is compatible (I think it is) and second I want to know if people have any suggestions on better products without pushing my budget too high. Thanks!

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August 28, 2010 6:57:54 AM



Rana x3 445 and biostar 770 e3 combo, $110.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Zotec Geforce GTX 460 w/ free Starcraft Trial and Free copy of Just Cause 2: $219.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Rosewill Challenger case and Windows 7 Home: 134.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Spinpoint F3 500GB and OCZ 550W Fatal1ty: $99.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

4 GB DDR3 1333 RAM: 77.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITEON 22x DVD burner: $17.99


$661.91 plus shipping.

$571.92 without Win 7
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August 28, 2010 7:11:05 AM

This pc config is all wrong for 2010. It's really from 2005 or something. Sorry!

DDR2 is dead as a dodo. It only makes sense if you're upgrading, not for a new build, ground up. Also the prices for DDR2 & DDR3 are pretty similar, if not identical.

Kicka$$ 2010 specs at your price range ---

CPU : AMD Athlon II X3 440

Mobo : ASUS M4A87TD/USB3

RAM : G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB)

HDD : SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

ODD : LGSATA 22X DVD Burner - with LightScribe Support

PSU : OCZ Fatal1ty 550W

Case : Rosewill CHALLENGER Gaming ATX Mid Tower Case

Find some combos if you can with similar products if not identical ones & you'll be able to save some money, with a lot of headroom for upgrades & expansions.

EDIT : I completely missed the GPU. Get a 460 1GB as the squirrel :)  suggested.
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August 28, 2010 8:30:52 AM

Thanks for the quick responses.

I think I'll follow your guys' advice and go with the triple core + DDR3 memory. But I'm not really sure I need a 200$ GPU for the games I'll be playing. Isn't the GTX 460 one of the best cards out right now? With the MIR the 9800 GTX+ is 100$ and still seems like it gives one of the best bang for its price.. Just wondering if the GTX 460 is really necessary for me...

Also for the PSU. I'm not gonna be doing SLI/Crossfire so I was thinking my original case with the 450W PSU would do just fine.. If I kept my 9800 GTX+ do I really need the fancy SLI ready PSUs? Using http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine website I think I only need about 350W.

Thanks for the advice so far.
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August 28, 2010 10:04:05 AM

It's not just the wattage, but amperage. That's how much power you have on your 12v rail, which is what's really of prime concern. Better PSU's have more than the cheap ones (as a rule of the thumb). 450 should be alright, I suppose. Also having a bit of headroom if you wanna OC later & maybe add a HSF, The 550 watt one is prolly a better investment. But stick to yours' for the time being if you wanna.

Why wouldn't you go with the 460? It should be well within your budget?

If you're OK with ATI, one of the best bang-for-the -buck cards - $135 Radeon HD 5770

This should be alright if you don't want a million fps @ 1920 X 1080 on max.
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August 28, 2010 1:30:34 PM

the only real potential problem with your existing 420 is that is old. If it wa new when your system was built, its 4-5 years old and not delivering 420 watts anymore.

safer to get a new PSU


oh wait, you mean the 420W PSU included in that inexpensive raidmax case? It's probably garbage. Unless its from one of the top brands (Antec, Sea Sonic, Silverstone) you usually should not trust the included PSUs.
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August 28, 2010 10:56:24 PM

Alright, thanks for the heads-up on the PSU. I'm probably gonna go with the OCZ PSU + HDD combo.

I might go with the ATI 5570, is there any major difference between ATI and Nvidia? Aside from the SLI/Crossfire thing (which I won't be doing)

Also I think I might go with the Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...). The Mushkin RAM you suggested at first had no reviews so it kinda put me off (although it's a really minor issue). Are there any real big differences between the difference memory manufacturers?

Also I forgot to mention I live in CA so tax is raping me up the butt. With the GTX 460 it comes out to about ~720$ which is kind of pushing it. With the HD 5770 it's around $650 which is a little bit better for me.
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August 29, 2010 7:42:33 AM

Why would you pay extra taxes, when you can get these same stuff from Tigerdirect/Compusa? Copy/Paste the product names & search for 'em there.

The 460 is one of the best cards in the market today. You really wont need it to play SC II, WOW, or stuff like that even on high.

You might wanna consider the 460 only if you are into more gfx intensive games like Crysis/Metro & stuff like that @ 1920 X 1080.

So if you wanna save some money, go with the 5770. It should give you pretty decent fps @ decent settings.

RAM : Manufacturers are not of primary concern to me in terms of performance, as long as they are reliable. Mushkin Enhanced's just as good.
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August 29, 2010 7:54:20 AM

BTW, the Patriot G Series that you've linked will be much slower than the G.Skill RAM I linked.

If you want Patriot, go with the Viper Series. It will be fast, but I stay away from high-voltage kits. Also, it's more expensive.

If you want Mushkin - Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB (2 x 2GB)

Actually you should really go with these - CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB)

I don't wanna confuse you any further than you already are. Just go with the Corsair kit & you should be fine.
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August 29, 2010 8:44:43 AM

Yeah, like I said earlier the 460 would be overkill for the games I'll be playing. Also I tried picking out the same products on COMPUSA but without the money saved from combo deals it comes out to roughly the same price. I think TigerDirect would be the same (Are they the under the same company? Everything from their website layout to prices looks exactly the same)
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August 29, 2010 11:00:47 AM

Yeah, I think it was tigerdirect's holding company Systemax, that acquired compusa a couple of years back or something.
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August 30, 2010 2:29:02 AM

Hmm thanks for the suggestions on the RAM but I just checked the motherboard and it says Memory Standard: DDR3 800/1066/1333. Doesn't that mean it won't support 1600?

The Rana x3 445 and biostar 770 e3 combo I'll be getting.

Also the Patriot G series I picked out earlier says its "DESIGNED FOR INTEL CORE I7 PLATFORMS" so I guess that's out too...

I was looking at this G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666). It says it supports AMD AM3 platforms so that looks good. Any thoughts?

Also what exactly is the difference between PC3 10600/10660/10666?

Thanks for answering all my questions.
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August 30, 2010 3:32:59 AM

biostar i heard is garbage will be have to be replaced within 1-2 years
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August 30, 2010 6:47:24 AM

Much better 770 Mobo - ASRock M3A770DE for only 15 bucks extra - Supports DDR3 1600 w/o OC, USB 3.0, Crossfire, eSATA. The Biostar would downgrade the DDR3 1600 RAM to 1333 w/o OC.

Try to get a combo with the 440/445. Get the Ripjaws/XMS3. Keep the rest of my build & you're good to go. Of course, you'll get to save a bit if you can get a few combos going. But even if you don't, IMO, the better, more future proof build is prolly the way to go unless you're absolutely strapped for cash.
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August 31, 2010 6:40:53 AM
August 31, 2010 9:18:38 AM

Actually, you might be able to keep your old 450 Watt PSU if you don't add a second gfx card. Check out this Power Supply Calculator to see if that would be possible. Just be sure to fill in forms correctly.

Also, this mobo might cost you a bit more, but is a lot more future proof with USB 3.0, SATA3, eSATA3. If you keep your PSU, you'll be definitely able to get this much better mobo - ASRock 870 EXTREME3

If however you go with the cheaper 770 chipset, the ASRock M3A770DE will prolly be a better value purchase with support for 1600 Mhz RAM w/o OC.
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September 1, 2010 7:04:45 PM

if you want the 320GB drive, the Samsung F4 Spinpoint 320 is faster and cheaper than the WD you linked.
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