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a b B Homebuilt system
August 28, 2010 9:43:31 PM

Hello everyone, first time poster here. I want to build my first computer. My Dell Dimension 3000 just isn't doing it for me anymore and playing StarCraft 2 on 1/5 speed is not fun.

I did my own research and was ready to give my build a try until I discovered this website. I really would like to know what you all think. Newegg has this in my cart pricing in at $640.42, or $615.42 after rebate. What are my weaknesses of my build and what can I do better in assuming my price cap is at $650 (OS included)? Is it an upgradable build?

Also, should I purchase any of these extended warranties I keep being offered? Is buying warranty on any specific component cost effective? Thank you in advance for your thoughts! Thanks!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week
BUDGET RANGE: $650 max
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Online video streaming, gaming (StarCraft 2 for now), internet surfing
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Amazon, newegg, tigerdirect, whichever is cheaper.
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA
PARTS PREFERENCES: No preference.
OVERCLOCKING: Maybe, learn it later..
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No idea.
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1600x900 / 60 Hz (Acer X203H bd 20-Inch LCD Monitor)
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: My Dell has been a loud machine for 5 years. A quieter computer would be nice.

Case $39.99
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-310-BWN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard $52.99
GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU $169.50
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor BX80570E8400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory $39.99
PNY 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model MD2048KD2-667
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card $64.99, $49.99 after rebate
EVGA 01G-P3-N959-TR GeForce 9500 GT 1GB 128-bit DDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Harddrive $59.99
Western Digital Scorpio Blue WD5000BEVT 500GB 5400 RPM 2.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Notebook Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD/DVD $22.99
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply $89.99, $79.99 after rebate
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS $99.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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August 28, 2010 9:47:43 PM

Those components are all from 2008, you can get modern parts that will outperform those for less.
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August 28, 2010 10:34:29 PM

if your on a budget you want to go AMD not intel.. i put together a rig with much more performance and bang for the buck.. i made use of combo deals and newegg even threw in a free game.. total cost came out to $636.88

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

antec 900 case + antec 620w 80+ certified psu (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard + ASUS EAH5670/DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5670 <--- DX11 GPU (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core + G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 29, 2010 12:13:10 AM

jesman1985 said:
if your on a budget you want to go AMD not intel.. i put together a rig with much more performance and bang for the buck.. i made use of combo deals and newegg even threw in a free game.. total cost came out to $636.88

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

antec 900 case + antec 620w 80+ certified psu (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard + ASUS EAH5670/DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 5670 <--- DX11 GPU (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

AMD Athlon II X4 635 Propus 2.9GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core + G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) (COMBO DEAL)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Awesome man! Should I worry about the warranty? Is it worth it for any of them? Thanks!
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August 29, 2010 12:30:42 AM

I like the above build better at least if you get tired of it you could sell it.
the other one you built is a dead duck you might be able to sell the CPU.

on the build above find a smaller case

maybe an antec 200 or 300 more than enough for the micro MB chosen above

and Downgrade the CPU to the Athlon 2 x3 @ 3.0GHZ its a bit cheaper like 25-30 bucks

on those two downgrades you could buy yourself a real graphics card like a 5770 512MB or the 1GB if you can manage a good MIR
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August 29, 2010 1:33:39 AM

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Awesome man! Should I worry about the warranty? Is it worth it for any of them? Thanks!


your welcome.. i didnt look at any of the warranties.. everything should be good.. all the parts are compatible and are good trusted brands.. this rig would last you another 4 years or so..
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August 29, 2010 1:39:47 AM

spentshells said:
I live the above build better at least if you get tired of it you could sell it.
the other one is a dead duck you might be able to sell the CPU.

on the build above find a smaller case

maybe an antec 200 or 300 more than enough for the micro MB chosen above

and Downgrade the CPU to the Athlon 2 x3 @ 3.0GHZ its a bit cheaper like 25-30 bucks

on those two downgrades you could buy yourself a real graphics card like a 5770 512MB or the 1GB if you can manage a good MIR


you like my build better or his?? cause i took his duo core to a quad core.. his 2 gigs of ddr2 667 to 4 gigs of ddr3 1333!! a much much better motherboard.. and a 9500gt to a DX11 card.. all for the same price..
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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 29, 2010 2:15:54 AM

Okay, I'll skip on the extended warranties. My friend made his first build a year ago and he recommended that I do so so I thought I'd throw that question out there. Thanks for the reply.

jesman1985 said:
you like my build better or his?? cause i took his duo core to a quad core.. his 2 gigs of ddr2 667 to 4 gigs of ddr3 1333!! a much much better motherboard.. and a 9500gt to a DX11 card.. all for the same price..


He was definitely loving yours. My build's saving grace was only CPU apparently :p .

You wrote Antec 900 in the description so he wanted to downgrade it to what you intended.

I guess the question is whether I should downgrade your CPU to an x3 in exchange for a stronger graphics card.
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August 29, 2010 2:29:32 AM

Absolutely ....depending on your resolution. well just plain old yes
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August 29, 2010 2:46:50 AM

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Okay, I'll skip on the extended warranties. My friend made his first build a year ago and he recommended that I do so so I thought I'd throw that question out there. Thanks for the reply.



He was definitely loving yours. My build's saving grace was only CPU apparently :p .

You wrote Antec 900 in the description so he wanted to downgrade it to what you intended.

I guess the question is whether I should downgrade your CPU to an x3 in exchange for a stronger graphics card.


ahhh.. i see now.. and ya your right.. i did say antec 900.. sorry about that.. well you could take away that combo and replace it with this one.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

thats with the other cpu splentshells suggested.. i think hes right.. that ones a better choice.. more bang for the buck
that brings the price down to 596.37.. but thats with the same video card.. that leaves a good amount of room for a gpu upgrade.. ima look around. :) ) well i gotta look for a motherboard gpu combo.. ima try and find one with the same mobo..
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August 29, 2010 3:20:50 AM

i took splentshells advice and threw a 5770 in there.. i couldnt find a combo deal with the same motherboard.. but it still came out under your budget. :D 

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5770 1GBD5-PPG Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W + Antec Three Hundred (combo deal)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 + AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

total = $641.87
this will murder starcraft 2!! lol
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Anonymous
a b B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 1:15:59 AM

jesman1985 said:
i took splentshells advice and threw a 5770 in there.. i couldnt find a combo deal with the same motherboard.. but it still came out under your budget. :D 

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M4A785-M AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWERCOLOR PCS+ AX5770 1GBD5-PPG Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec NEO ECO 620C 620W + Antec Three Hundred (combo deal)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 + AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

total = $641.87
this will murder starcraft 2!! lol


Haha, badass! Can't wait to build this baby up.

Just one issue. The memory sticks from OCZ are getting pretty bad reviews. Over half are 1 egg. Should I be worried?
I looked for alternatives but you pretty much found the best money deal.

Thanks.
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August 30, 2010 2:21:04 AM

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Haha, badass! Can't wait to build this baby up.

Just one issue. The memory sticks from OCZ are getting pretty bad reviews. Over half are 1 egg. Should I be worried?
I looked for alternatives but you pretty much found the best money deal.

Thanks.


na i wouldnt be worried.. the only 1 eggs were dead on arrivals.. ya it sucks.. but it goes with the combo deal and you get alot of bang for the buck.. if its working itll be good.. its good ram.. just looks like a batch of em were DOA..
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 4:15:29 AM

Actually.... If you were going to do that setup.... The best CPU is the is the Athlon II X3 445, not the 440 because the 445 don't look as if you were spending more money by 5$ thinking of it as getting a better OC-able CPU because the 445 is a C3 the 440 is a C2. The difference is during the stepping revision from C2-C3 the C3 is more energy efficient and can be OC'd much easier without messing around to much than the C2. Also, for 5$ more It's worth it.

The HDD spend 20$ (Yes it is pushing your budget) But the Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB for 20 more dollars than the 500gb ver. You get 500gbs more storage and has a larger cache, in real world apps you won't see a huge difference but there is a difference, also the price for the extra 500gb is a great deal.

That Asus mobo is just terrible... You might as well go with an AM2+ or AM2 build. The mobo below is a great mobo for the value. You'll actually be able Crossfire later and 16x/4x for your budget is actually great because the real crossfire difference from 16x/16x to 16x/4x is only 5% hardly noticable. That just gives you options in the future. Also this mobo gives your DDR3 support and more room over a Micro-ATX mobo. It also offers greater OC capabilities than that of the Asus 785G mobo. Asrock is not a bad brand though if your thinking that, this board has great reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the combo DDR3 1333 is standard for DDR3, but you can go with DDR3 1066 combo with the 445 and still be of the same price as the DDR2 combo.

DDR3 1333: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
More expensive but the memory speed is the standard for most RAM today.

DDR3 1066:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Cheaper your just paying for the extra cpu cost of 5$ from 440-445 But... The memory speed is below the standard DDR3 speed however still usable.

DDR3: Although DDR3 1066 is the same mhz as DDR2 1066, DDR3 is actually faster as the effect speed of the memory is double of the DDR2 speed. Not to say its a huge difference its just it will future proof your comp as DDR3 is the memory standard now.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 4:20:12 AM

Also, usually I would trust OCZ but your on budget, OCZ has a rep for not honoring rebates, customer support issues all that. :p  But your on budget. However if you have the money to fork up, I'd actually buy the OCZ memory locally so it's easier to take up returns and such. For me I had no DOAs during my entire build. But then again I bought everything locally so much pricier but much more reliable for returns. The only thing coming from Newegg GREAT DEAL BTW! is my monitor and my fan controller.

BTW: IF you want the best bang for the buck OC your CPU. It'll make a small difference but since Starcraft is RTS it uses CPU power so OCing will help performance. If you do OC don't oc on stock cooling, check out our OCing guides on the Overclocking section. Also the Hyper 212+ is a great budget cooler (Amazon is WAY cheaper than Newegg, newegg is trying to rip off people. :p  Amazon is 25$ cheaper than Newegg for that cooler.) Reviews say it's comparable to the Fenrir which is a great cooler and it is also 25$ more than the Hyper 212+
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August 30, 2010 4:56:40 AM

aznshinobi said:
Actually.... If you were going to do that setup.... The best CPU is the is the Athlon II X3 445, not the 440 because the 445 don't look as if you were spending more money by 5$ thinking of it as getting a better OC-able CPU because the 445 is a C3 the 440 is a C2. The difference is during the stepping revision from C2-C3 the C3 is more energy efficient and can be OC'd much easier without messing around to much than the C2. Also, for 5$ more It's worth it.

The HDD spend 20$ (Yes it is pushing your budget) But the Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB for 20 more dollars than the 500gb ver. You get 500gbs more storage and has a larger cache, in real world apps you won't see a huge difference but there is a difference, also the price for the extra 500gb is a great deal.

That Asus mobo is just terrible... You might as well go with an AM2+ or AM2 build. The mobo below is a great mobo for the value. You'll actually be able Crossfire later and 16x/4x for your budget is actually great because the real crossfire difference from 16x/16x to 16x/4x is only 5% hardly noticable. That just gives you options in the future. Also this mobo gives your DDR3 support and more room over a Micro-ATX mobo. It also offers greater OC capabilities than that of the Asus 785G mobo. Asrock is not a bad brand though if your thinking that, this board has great reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the combo DDR3 1333 is standard for DDR3, but you can go with DDR3 1066 combo with the 445 and still be of the same price as the DDR2 combo.

DDR3 1333: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
More expensive but the memory speed is the standard for most RAM today.

DDR3 1066:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Cheaper your just paying for the extra cpu cost of 5$ from 440-445 But... The memory speed is below the standard DDR3 speed however still usable.

DDR3: Although DDR3 1066 is the same mhz as DDR2 1066, DDR3 is actually faster as the effect speed of the memory is double of the DDR2 speed. Not to say its a huge difference its just it will future proof your comp as DDR3 is the memory standard now.


Not sure why that mobo is horrible that was picked above was horrible

smaller maybe but they are both SB710 which actually helps with the overclocking capability of the board
but I don't know much about it and it seems to have all the same features except crossfire whcih 16X4 would be crippling the 5770 if he were to get a second one.... although i too would prefer a full sized board like the one you picked


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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 5:11:42 AM

Wait what do you mean? 16x/4x barely cripples the 5770....

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Expr...

It's clear that, that result can be inferred for nearly all the cards from the ATI line of the 5XXX gen. Plus at the same price why not future proof? The Asrock board offers DDR3 support, USB 3.0 (identified to be put into mainstream next year), and SATA 6(no idea when it'll be mainstream [probably several years or a few years]).
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 5:13:39 AM

mgrzTX said:
A few thoughts,

The Spinpoint F3 1 Tb is only 5$ more than the 500 Gb on Newegg right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also you can get the quad core athlon and that Ram for only 15$ more...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Or if you're too nervous about OCZ you can get the quad core with G-Skill for ~30$ more...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


OH SNAP PRICE DROP! on the F3. Anywho the Quad would be not so great :p  C2 is not terrible but as for OCing concerns it's worse also temps and power consumption the C3 is proven to be better.
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August 30, 2010 5:52:32 AM

aznshinobi said:
Wait what do you mean? 16x/4x barely cripples the 5770....

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Expr...

It's clear that, that result can be inferred for nearly all the cards from the ATI line of the 5XXX gen. Plus at the same price why not future proof? The Asrock board offers DDR3 support, USB 3.0 (identified to be put into mainstream next year), and SATA 6(no idea when it'll be mainstream [probably several years or a few years]).



Missed USB 3.0 support I'm sold
but the other board supports DDR3 just for good mesure

and thanks for the link very interesting stuff
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Expr...
I guess I don't know much about it i'm not
really a multiple card kind of guy
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August 30, 2010 6:04:12 AM

Ok, after much scavenging here's what my take would be...

Windows x64 OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner/Rosewill blackbone black steel case combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Sapphire 5770/OCZ 4gb (2x2gb) Ram combo (with a free gift I might add)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Corsair 650 W PSU/Spinpoint F3 1 TB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Asus AMD 770 Mobo/AMD Athlon II X3 445

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...



- Same Ram, Same OS, Essentially the same
- Different Mobo, not too different though, about the same, get's good reviews
- Slightly better CPU just because of the clock, but better none the less
- Essentially the same VGA, but I prefer Sapphire to PowerColor personally
- Equivalent Case, looks nice
- Freaking Awesome PSU one of if not the best 650 W PSU on the market
- Hdd twice as big, with same performance, and that performance is the best in the HDD market

This brings your total + shipping on Newegg to 648.63$...but wait, that's not including a whopping 50$ in Rebates....

Total after rebates = 598.63!!!

Just my take on it though!
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
August 30, 2010 6:32:46 AM

:p  MIRs shouldn't be counted on but some companies honor them. AM3/AM2+/AM2 support is actually a downgrade from my recommended mobo, since no usb3, sata 6(not a big deal but still), most of all no DDR3 :p  All future proofing things. Note sure the MIRs and better PSU can justify the fact he has to future proof later :p  Specially on a budget.
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August 30, 2010 6:34:08 AM

aznshinobi said:
Actually.... If you were going to do that setup.... The best CPU is the is the Athlon II X3 445, not the 440 because the 445 don't look as if you were spending more money by 5$ thinking of it as getting a better OC-able CPU because the 445 is a C3 the 440 is a C2. The difference is during the stepping revision from C2-C3 the C3 is more energy efficient and can be OC'd much easier without messing around to much than the C2. Also, for 5$ more It's worth it.

The HDD spend 20$ (Yes it is pushing your budget) But the Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB for 20 more dollars than the 500gb ver. You get 500gbs more storage and has a larger cache, in real world apps you won't see a huge difference but there is a difference, also the price for the extra 500gb is a great deal.

That Asus mobo is just terrible... You might as well go with an AM2+ or AM2 build. The mobo below is a great mobo for the value. You'll actually be able Crossfire later and 16x/4x for your budget is actually great because the real crossfire difference from 16x/16x to 16x/4x is only 5% hardly noticable. That just gives you options in the future. Also this mobo gives your DDR3 support and more room over a Micro-ATX mobo. It also offers greater OC capabilities than that of the Asus 785G mobo. Asrock is not a bad brand though if your thinking that, this board has great reviews.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the combo DDR3 1333 is standard for DDR3, but you can go with DDR3 1066 combo with the 445 and still be of the same price as the DDR2 combo.

DDR3 1333: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
More expensive but the memory speed is the standard for most RAM today.

DDR3 1066:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Cheaper your just paying for the extra cpu cost of 5$ from 440-445 But... The memory speed is below the standard DDR3 speed however still usable.

DDR3: Although DDR3 1066 is the same mhz as DDR2 1066, DDR3 is actually faster as the effect speed of the memory is double of the DDR2 speed. Not to say its a huge difference its just it will future proof your comp as DDR3 is the memory standard now.


so you want to go from an am3 motherboard to an am2 motherboard.. and this is future proof how? 2 years from now when he want to upgrade his cpu then what? actually id prefer the 785g full atx mobo but he is on a budget and he gave his max price.. and i really dont see why your talking about over clocking when the after market heat sink isn't even included in the price.. also he stated abovce in his first post he doesnt know how to overclock.. but i see no point in getting an am2 board over an am3.. actually it would be foolish.. if you want something future proof then why am2?
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August 30, 2010 7:07:07 AM

aznshinobi said:
:p  MIRs shouldn't be counted on but some companies honor them. AM3/AM2+/AM2 support is actually a downgrade from my recommended mobo, since no usb3, sata 6(not a big deal but still), most of all no DDR3 :p  All future proofing things. Note sure the MIRs and better PSU can justify the fact he has to future proof later :p  Specially on a budget.


True, but for gaming the SATA 6 Gb/s and USB 3.0 won't ever make too big of a difference especially with that CPU. Plus as far as future proofing goes, the better PSU leaves room for a better GPU upgrade in the future as well! But, totally didn't catch the DDR2 Here's another option then...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Back to the first CPU (once again, no noticeable difference) and a DDR3 mobo with no SATA3/USB3. This brings you in at exactly 650$ on the spot before MIR.



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August 30, 2010 1:30:51 PM

Jesman are you refering to the mobo I suggested? I'm just saying that AM3/AM2+/AM2 mobos aren't exactly that great. I mean, although sure you get AM3 support, but you don't get an important mainstream item, DDR3 support. I say that if you go with that, you might as well go with AM2+ because AM2+ still has a good cpu left. The Phenom II 940, which is AM2+ so you might as well find a cheap AM2+ board for like 50 and get a 940 :p  That's really not realistic. Plus that doesn't make sense about your argument =P Did you check the mobo i suggested thats an AM3 mobo -.-
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August 30, 2010 1:32:38 PM

As for the PSU, the NEO ECO is fine in that Antec 300 combo. Its 620 watts which is good enough for Crossfire 5770's, plus it's made by Seasonic even though the company releasing it is Antec and is 80+ cert.

http://personales.ya.com/realhardtechx/index_archivos/P...

Check out the NEO ECO section for 620.
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August 30, 2010 4:02:48 PM

aznshinobi said:
As for the PSU, the NEO ECO is fine in that Antec 300 combo. Its 620 watts which is good enough for Crossfire 5770's, plus it's made by Seasonic even though the company releasing it is Antec and is 80+ cert.

http://personales.ya.com/realhardtechx/index_archivos/P...

Check out the NEO ECO section for 620.


Definitely a respectable PSU, me and the Corsair 650 W just happen to be good friends... :D 

Here's what I would go with (It totals out to 655$ before Rebates, so I'll post the other one that's under 650$ as well)

CPU: AMD Athlon X3 440 Rana

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case/DVD: Rosewill Blackbone/LG DVD Burner

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU/Ram: Sapphire 5770/OCZ 4Gb (2x2Gb) Platinum DDR3 1333

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU/HDD: Corsair 650 W/Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

OS/Mobo: Windows 7 64 bit OEM/ ASRock 770 Extreme 3 AM3

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total = 655.63 w/ shipping (35$ in Rebates)


Cheaper Option:

CPU/DVD: Same CPU/Sony DVD Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU/RAm: Same Combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo/OS: Same Combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

PSU/Case: Same As Earlier w/ Antec PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And Lastly HDD, w/which the 1TB price has gone back up...wtf?!?!?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total = 641$ (25$ Rebate)

EDIT: 1st list in this post actually still comes with the 1Tb HDD because of the combo.
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August 30, 2010 4:23:14 PM

i would go with the 445, and i had OCZ RAM it was rubbish i sent it back and then they gave me another set of RAM it was also not working
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August 30, 2010 4:59:27 PM

aznshinobi said:
Jesman are you refering to the mobo I suggested? I'm just saying that AM3/AM2+/AM2 mobos aren't exactly that great. I mean, although sure you get AM3 support, but you don't get an important mainstream item, DDR3 support. I say that if you go with that, you might as well go with AM2+ because AM2+ still has a good cpu left. The Phenom II 940, which is AM2+ so you might as well find a cheap AM2+ board for like 50 and get a 940 :p  That's really not realistic. Plus that doesn't make sense about your argument =P Did you check the mobo i suggested thats an AM3 mobo -.-


ahhh your right!!! i got motherboards confused.. look at my very first build up at the top.. the motherboard i picked out was am3 and had ddr3.. i tried to pick the same motherboard in the next build but just change up the cpu and some other things.. turns out it wasnt the same board.. woow.. i even picked out ddr3 ram with that ddr2 ram motherboard..lol... that wouldnt of been good..
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August 31, 2010 6:01:06 AM

Wow, this is a lot of info for me to digest. I'm leaning on doing mgrzTX's first of the two builds in his previous post, changing the 440 motherboard to a 445 and replacing the Rosewill case/LG DVD with the Antec 300 / LITE-ON CD/DVD iHAS124-04 Combo. This puts me at a $667.87 before $55 in MIR.

How much of the $55 will I reasonably expect to get back?
Am I being silly wanting to keep the Antec 300? Keeping it over the Rosewill combo puts me up $67.94 vs $42.98.

It has been great experience reading this discussion. I've learned so much. Thank you all.
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August 31, 2010 6:26:49 AM

Not really, although Rosewill is a decent brand, there cases are a bit... Flimsy compared to Antec, the Antec 300 or Antec 300 Illusion would be good choices either one. Don't expect any of the OCZ MIR Back, they don't exactly honor their rebates from what I've heard.
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September 1, 2010 2:14:52 AM

Yea, having used both Antec and Rosewill cases, neither one are "bad" cases, but I do prefer Antec personally.
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September 1, 2010 4:29:38 AM

cases don't matter much with the exception of airflow
get the cheaper one as long as it has enough fan monts
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September 1, 2010 2:27:41 PM

Ended up purchasing mgrzTX's cheaper option last night (before combos expire) since the other option, with shipping, my total would have been over my $650 even with all my MIRs.

I got the cheaper option with the CPU/Sony DVD drive combo changed from 440 to 445 and was able to get the 1TB HD with the $15 discount for a total purchase of $645.69 before MIRs.

I'm very happy with this purchase. Now on to the build phase!

I've been reading about the process and it doesn't seem to strenuous.
Any recommended resource or informative posting on this forum that I can be directed to?

I'll keep you all updated on progress if you're interested. Thanks again!
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September 1, 2010 5:45:36 PM

LostLucidity said:
Ended up purchasing mgrzTX's cheaper option last night (before combos expire) since the other option, with shipping, my total would have been over my $650 even with all my MIRs.

I got the cheaper option with the CPU/Sony DVD drive combo changed from 440 to 445 and was able to get the 1TB HD with the $15 discount for a total purchase of $645.69 before MIRs.

I'm very happy with this purchase. Now on to the build phase!

I've been reading about the process and it doesn't seem to strenuous.
Any recommended resource or informative posting on this forum that I can be directed to?

I'll keep you all updated on progress if you're interested. Thanks again!



Awesome!

Here's the Tom's PC building guide...

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/274745-31-step-step-g...
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September 1, 2010 8:11:18 PM

you tube is a good place to check out how to build pc's too.. helped me out alot on my first build..
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September 1, 2010 11:19:13 PM

BTW since you saved so much, you should get another Samsung F3 Spinpoint 1TB. The RAID 0 performance is worth the extra. I've seen some benches of the RAID 0 and it actually beats the performance of a single Velcioraptor for less price too.
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