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Should I buy a 2nd evga 9800gtx+ to power my 3rd monitor or get 5830?

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July 25, 2010 9:14:01 PM

My problem:

My current evga 9800gtx+ can only power 2 monitors, but I want to power up my 3rd monitor also. See my specs at the bottom.

So I am thinking of buying another graphics card, but I am debating if I should get another evga 9800gtx+ or sell my current gpu and get the HIS iCooler V Turbo Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity.

My question is:

Should I just get a 2nd Evga 9800gtx+ for $120 to power up my Cintiq 18SX or just do a single HIS iCooler V Turbo Radeon HD 5830 for $250 to power up 3 of my monitors? Which would benefit me most in the long run?

P.S. my budget can only afford the 5830s and not 5850s. So there is a budget :) 

If any of you knows any other cards out there that can outperfom HIS iCooler V Turbo Radeon HD 5830 at $200 or so price range then I'll consider it.

What my comp is use for:
Casual Gaming here and there: cod4, cod5, l4d2, dow, grid.
Also graphics and 3d software: Photoshop, Maya etc.


Here is the link for my EVGA 9800gtx+:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here is the link for HIS HD 5830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My specs:
Asus M4A79XTD EVO (Crossfire ready, no SLI)
AMD Phenom II x4 955 BE 3.2Ghz
G Skill DDR3 1600 8GB
EVGA nVidia 9800 gtx+
Antec TP 750watts
Windows 7 Pro x64
Antec 300
Monitors:
Samsung XL2370
Dell S2009W
Cintiq 18SX
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July 25, 2010 9:20:29 PM

Why not the GTX460?

You get SLI support, 5830 like performance and just use the 9800GTX+ to power the Cintiq in extended mode.

That 5830 is absurdly expensive though, Get the iCooler version thats only $170 and OC it yourself. MW2 isnt worth $70.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 25, 2010 9:27:43 PM

@Timop

I checked out GTX460 specs, but it seems like 9800gtx+ and HIS 5830 are somewhat better.

Edit:
I also checked the other HIS iCooler for $180 not $170 actually, but it has so many bad reviews.

Edit:
@Timop

I am reading the review for GTX460 atm :) 
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July 25, 2010 10:10:08 PM

GTX 460 outperforms the HD 5830 and performs almost as good as a HD 5850 and with an overclock even better. 2 GTX 460s outperforms the dual GPU HD 5970... SO go for the GTX 460. HD 5830 is a pile of ***. In some games it performs worse than a HD 5770 and in most games similar... Go for GTX 460 1GB
July 25, 2010 10:18:08 PM

@okini55

I am reading the GTX460 given by Timop, well im not done reading yet cuz i had to stop for awhile...got a bit hungry. But so far GTX460 is showing dominance over 5830.
July 25, 2010 11:28:18 PM

Timop said:
The GTX460 performs like a HD5830. It would be ALOT better than that GTX+.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/07/12/nvidia_geforc...


Ok! im sold, GTX 460 it is, but which one should I get any specific brand? I am asking for your past experiences.

Here's a list:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

I am leaning towards EVGA products

GTX 460 1GB (2yrs Limited warranty)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but add $10 for (Lifetime Limited Warranty) and I get this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

They are the same model number, but warranties are different what's the deal with that.

P.S. Will overclocking my card void the warranty?

If you guys know any other stores out there that offers great deals let me know.
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July 25, 2010 11:37:12 PM

How do you want to use that third monitor?

If you simply want to use it as a display, then just add a cheap card like a GT210 for $15/ar:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 5830 can drive three monitors, but you need at least one displayport monitor in the mix, or an active displayport adapter which goes for about $100.

If you want a GTX460 which is a great card, I would look to evga which has a lifetime warranty on the 1gb GTX460.
July 25, 2010 11:42:40 PM

@geofelt

That's what I hate about mixing some other cards with my 9800gtx+. Won't I experience problems with drivers and such since mine and GT210 are different?

That is why i was debating if I should get a 2nd 9800 gtx+ or just grab another video card that can power 3 or 4 displays @ price range of $200 like HD 5830 or GTX 460.

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July 26, 2010 12:13:31 AM
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monkey_d said:
@geofelt

That's what I hate about mixing some other cards with my 9800gtx+. Won't I experience problems with drivers and such since mine and GT210 are different?

That is why i was debating if I should get a 2nd 9800 gtx+ or just grab another video card that can power 3 or 4 displays @ price range of $200 like HD 5830 or GTX 460.


The Nvidia driver is the same for all modern graphics cards. Your 9800GTX+ will use the same install as the GT210 or the GTX460. No problem.

Under XP you were restricted to only one graphics driver; but W7 allows many.

If all you need is to drive added displays, then a cheap card can drive two more displays. If you run out of pcie-x16 slots, you can even use a pci slot or even a pcix1 slot.

There are some workstation cards that can drive 4 monitors; they range in price from $270 to $1200. Probably not worth it to you.

5830 and GTX460 can only drive two displays each. The radeon cards can drive a third monitor only if you can handle displayport connectivity issues.

If you want to game on one monitor, use a GTX460 for it.
Keep the 9800GTX+ and attach two aux monitors to it.
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July 26, 2010 12:26:01 AM

geofelt said:
How do you want to use that third monitor?

If you simply want to use it as a display, then just add a cheap card like a GT210 for $15/ar:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 5830 can drive three monitors, but you need at least one displayport monitor in the mix, or an active displayport adapter which goes for about $100.

If you want a GTX460 which is a great card, I would look to evga which has a lifetime warranty on the 1gb GTX460.

Nope, an Active DP->VGA is only $25 and should be enough for that cintiq.
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July 26, 2010 12:35:44 AM

Timop said:
Nope, an Active DP->VGA is only $25 and should be enough for that cintiq.


Good news. At 5870 launch they were $100. Do you have a link?
July 26, 2010 12:41:44 AM

Get the 460 and forget the 5830, if you want 3 monitors and you want great image why not try 5770 crossfire or 5750. It also depends on the resolution you are runing at!
July 26, 2010 12:53:13 AM

@Timop, @ geofelt

The cintiq will be handling photoshop and other digital graphics/painting work, won't low class graphic cards lag on my cintiq while doing digital work?

That is why i was considering of buying another 9800gtx+ or power up all 3 monitors with a GTX460 or 5830.

ps. i am going to sell my 9800gtx+ if i ever decide to go with gtx460 which is likely to happen :) 

I assume that the gtx460 can power up all of my 3 displays since it has 2xdvi and a 1hdmi ports.
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July 26, 2010 1:16:39 AM

460 will not run more than two monitors
July 26, 2010 1:16:40 AM

barrymobiel said:
Get the 460 and forget the 5830, if you want 3 monitors and you want great image why not try 5770 crossfire or 5750. It also depends on the resolution you are runing at!


Crossfire is not an option for me since I have a budget and currently running an EVGA 9800gtx+.

My displays are all different resolutions; 1920x1080(main display), 1600x900(side display), 1280x1024(cintiq for digital graphics).

I first thought of getting a 5830, but I am not considering it anymore since Timop suggested gtx460 and linked me to a good gtx460 review site. I liked how the gtx460 solved my 3 display problem and how it performs better than 5830.
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July 26, 2010 1:18:21 AM

monkey_d said:
@Timop, @ geofelt

The cintiq will be handling photoshop and other digital graphics/painting work, won't low class graphic cards lag on my cintiq while doing digital work?

That is why i was considering of buying another 9800gtx+ or power up all 3 monitors with a GTX460 or 5830.

ps. i am going to sell my 9800gtx+ if i ever decide to go with gtx460 which is likely to happen :) 

I assume that the gtx460 can power up all of my 3 displays since it has 2xdvi and a 1hdmi ports.



The main value of a high powered graphics card such as a GTX460 is that it can refresh display images at a high rate. This is great for fast moving images like first person shooter games. If the image is relatively static, there is no such need. In the past when CRT's were used, you needed to refresh at 75hz or so to avoid a flickering image. With modern lcd's the image is persistent, and only needs to be refreshed if it changes.

I read the manual on the cintiq since I am unfamiliar with the device. This is it??
http://www.wacom.com/productsupport/manual/Cintiq18SX_U...

It looks like an older LCD device of relatively low resolution. I see no reason why you should have a problem with it attached to any type of graphics card or adapter.
I presume it works well on your current 9800GTX+.

A GTX460 is appropriate only if you will be using it for gaming.
And, I do not think you can attach three monitors concurrently to it. I would make the assumption that you can't until you see an authoritative statement that three monitors can be concurrently attached.
July 26, 2010 1:20:09 AM

geofelt said:
The Nvidia driver is the same for all modern graphics cards. Your 9800GTX+ will use the same install as the GT210 or the GTX460. No problem.

Under XP you were restricted to only one graphics driver; but W7 allows many.

If all you need is to drive added displays, then a cheap card can drive two more displays. If you run out of pcie-x16 slots, you can even use a pci slot or even a pcix1 slot.

There are some workstation cards that can drive 4 monitors; they range in price from $270 to $1200. Probably not worth it to you.

5830 and GTX460 can only drive two displays each. The radeon cards can drive a third monitor only if you can handle displayport connectivity issues.

If you want to game on one monitor, use a GTX460 for it.
Keep the 9800GTX+ and attach two aux monitors to it.


So wait.....gtx460 can only drive two displays?......but doesn't it have 2xdvi and 1xhdmi.

So which card can power up 3 displays?
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July 26, 2010 1:25:10 AM

monkey_d said:
So wait.....gtx460 can only drive two displays?......but doesn't it have 2xdvi and 1xhdmi.

So which card can power up 3 displays?


True, it has three attachments, but I think only two internal controllers. You can only use two of the three.

July 26, 2010 1:26:04 AM

What I really want is have 1 powerful card that's within my budget and can run 3 displays.

All 3 monitors will be on everytime I turn on my comp.
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July 26, 2010 1:27:59 AM

monkey_d said:
So wait.....gtx460 can only drive two displays?......but doesn't it have 2xdvi and 1xhdmi.

So which card can power up 3 displays?

Only the HD5000/Evergreen cards and its FirePro derivatives, and some Matrox solutions can do 3/6 monitors on one card. For Nvidia you need 2 cards in Extended, or if you want all three driven by the same cards, 2 GTX200/400s in SLI.

And even integrated can run Photoshop just fine, unless you turn on OpenGL acceleration and CUDA on, the GPU makes no difference, and even if tou do turn both on, a GT240 or so should handle it just fine.Ex
July 26, 2010 1:34:28 AM

Timop said:
Only the HD5000/Evergreen cards and its FirePro derivatives, and some Matrox solutions can do 3/6 monitors on one card. For Nvidia you need 2 in SLI.

And even integrated can run Photoshop just fine, unless you turn on OpenGL acceleration and CUDA on, the GPU makes no difference, and even if tou do turn both on, a GT240 or so should handle it just fine.


I guess I am going to save alot more now than before. lol.

I didn't know that win7 allows more than one graphics driver. Well I'll shop for some cheap cards then.
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July 26, 2010 1:38:35 AM

monkey_d said:
What I really want is have 1 powerful card that's within my budget and can run 3 displays.

All 3 monitors will be on everytime I turn on my comp.



Your 9800GTX+ is already a relatively strong card. You will be disappointed in the performance increase in gaming unless you jump several tiers in capability.
That means that you should be looking at a 5870 or GTX480 class card. At least the 1gb version of the GTX460.

Your motherboard has two pci-e slots, so using one of them for a second card is not a problem. If you get a GTX460, dedicate all of it's gaming resources to your gaming monitor and attach the other two devices to the 9800GTX+. You can save a bit if you market the 9800GTX+ and replace it with a GT210 or some such minimal card.
July 26, 2010 1:48:29 AM

geofelt said:
Your 9800GTX+ is already a relatively strong card. You will be disappointed in the performance increase in gaming unless you jump several tiers in capability.
That means that you should be looking at a 5870 or GTX480 class card. At least the 1gb version of the GTX460.

Your motherboard has two pci-e slots, so using one of them for a second card is not a problem. If you get a GTX460, dedicate all of it's gaming resources to your gaming monitor and attach the other two devices to the 9800GTX+. You can save a bit if you market the 9800GTX+ and replace it with a GT210 or some such minimal card.


Yeah my 9800gtx+ runs sufficiently when i'm gaming. Thanks for the suggestion though, I will consider it.
July 26, 2010 1:54:37 AM

or perhaps I'll do another 9800gtx+ on ebay.
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July 26, 2010 2:02:05 AM

There are other products that can do what you want.
Additional monitors in 2d.
USB to VGA or
USB to DVI
Read the user reviews of this product to get a idea what it can do. You can add more than one if you chose.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GHBW4S/ref=pd_lpo_...
Also EVGA makes this product :
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=100-U2-UV1...
http://www.newegg.com/Store/BrandSubCategory.aspx?Brand...
At the newegg link there are recertified models for 55.00 with a 35.00 rebate.
July 26, 2010 2:19:02 AM

notty22 said:
There are other products that can do what you want.
Additional monitors in 2d.
USB to VGA or
USB to DVI
Read the user reviews of this product to get a idea what it can do. You can add more than one if you chose.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002GHBW4S/ref=pd_lpo_...
Also EVGA makes this product :
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=100-U2-UV1...
http://www.newegg.com/Store/BrandSubCategory.aspx?Brand...
At the newegg link there are recertified models for 55.00 with a 35.00 rebate.


I prefer to use a pcie x16 card than usb actually, but thanks for your suggestion.

I've decided and have come to conclusion to get another 9800gtx+ on ebay for cheap for $50, but I'll also keep in mind the GTX 460 for dx11. I guess I'll hold up on buying another gpu and give it 1 more month before buying.

and thanks to Timop & geofelt for helping me with my problem.
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July 26, 2010 3:34:42 AM

monkey_d said:
I prefer to use a pcie x16 card than usb actually, but thanks for your suggestion.

I've decided and have come to conclusion to get another 9800gtx+ on ebay for cheap for $50, but I'll also keep in mind the GTX 460 for dx11. I guess I'll hold up on buying another gpu and give it 1 more month before buying.

and thanks to Timop & geofelt for helping me with my problem.


E-bay is a good idea, with the usual caveats.
Is your PSU adequate for a second 9800GTX+? A 550w psu with 30a on the 12v rais is minimum, and it should have 4 pci-e connectors.
July 26, 2010 4:49:06 AM

geofelt said:
E-bay is a good idea, with the usual caveats.
Is your PSU adequate for a second 9800GTX+? A 550w psu with 30a on the 12v rais is minimum, and it should have 4 pci-e connectors.


Yes i believe its more than adequate. I have the Antec TP 750watts.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
August 2, 2010 2:07:17 AM

Best answer selected by monkey_d.
August 4, 2010 7:45:22 PM

btw I just bought my second evga 9800 gtx+ on newegg. This should cover me for couple more years or so. Thanks again for all your opinion.
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August 4, 2010 7:56:26 PM

monkey_d said:
btw I just bought my second evga 9800 gtx+ on newegg. This should cover me for couple more years or so. Thanks again for all your opinion.


Do post how it works out.
August 4, 2010 8:27:26 PM

will do once i get it.
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