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November 20, 2010 2:57:52 AM

Okay, I already know, I am purchasing this video card,

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Zotac-GeForce-9800-GT-PCI-Exp...

I am buying all directly from retailers and smaller computer shops. I understand newegg, etc. But please just keep this on a local retailer aspect, walmart, bestbuy, officedepot etc. as between mail and shipping trouble headaches, this is what I am came to do.

Now I am wondering three things...

First, What would be the best PSU for this card in my system? I own an HP a6203w Desktop (links are below) and I am spending up to 80 to 90 dollars for a PSU.

Secondly, if there is a better video card in that same price range, 80 to 90 dollars, please let me know.

Thirdly, installation issues, as you can see from links below, I am not sure if it will all fit in my PC. Thanks.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?product=3554...

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=GS354AAR&cat=SY...

Thanks for all the help, and please keep it to local retailers. I have used newegg and other online sites in the past, nothing against them, but either the local UPS, postal service, or something, almost always manages to kill the product during shipping, and this build has a month left until my own personal deadline. Thanks.

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November 20, 2010 3:14:03 AM

Hi nfarnham2001,

Just to let you know, I understand where your coming from, but even with the trouble of mailing and shipping, if you are in the US you will save ALOT by shopping online, going from retail stores is really going to hinder the performance of your parts you can buy because of the higher costs of retail.

1. As for PSU brand Seasonic, Corsair, Antec, XFX, and PC Power & Cooling are the top dogs and what you want to look for. As for how many watts you need, a nice 400w to 500w PSU should do you just fine.

2. This is really quite hard to figure out because of the price difference between online and retail, it will take some time to compare them. Do you care if its and AMD or Nvidia card?

3. Everything will install in your case just fine.
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November 20, 2010 3:20:42 AM

I know, I could probably work everything out online, but the other main reason, is the area I live in, and my income. I don't have enough spare money to invest in a P.O. Box, and the trailer park mailboxes leak water whenever it rains, and they have some water still residing in them. I work two jobs and do online classes, so I'm almost never here to receive the package, and I don't want them leaving it.

When I get a chance and time I might call the local post office to see how much a P.O. box is for a few months, and then factor that into what I would safe going in online shopping.

I would be guessing 400 to 600 watts, going from lowest possible that I could get away with, to the highest for future proofing. I have been trying to find 80+ certified PSU's, and so far these are the ones I have came up with, but have NO idea how they play in the real world.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-VX-Series-80-Plus-550...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Sonic-ATX12V-and-EPS12V-5...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-Earthwatts-Power-Supply...

I suppose if the P.O. box thing works out, I could do that, but my budget is still around 150 to 200 dollars. I would like a GPU and PSU that I could use on my build I am doing in the coming fall of next year, but not necessary.

Very off the subject, but do you know how much P.O boxes run (if newegg will even deliver to them) as well as if I can make purchases/payments on newegg, via a prepaid debit card bought at walmart or something?

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November 20, 2010 3:39:39 AM

the antec EW 500w is more then enough power for you. i would just have wal-mart ship it directly to a nearby store for pick up. it will be cheaper then getting a large PO Box just to have it shipped to. the corsair 430w will also do the job with no problem.



FYI, the seasonic 620w is the same price as the 520w you linked so if you want 600w+ of power, go with that.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 3:41:23 AM

For just 9800GT (no 6pin power connector), you can use almost any 300W-400W PSU, so don't worry about that...
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a b ) Power supply
November 20, 2010 3:43:10 AM

Ok, I understand your situation and that makes perfect sence. Maybe if you can find a nice person to chat with at the Post Office, you could just arrange to pick it up there, but I dont know if that would be possible or not.

From what I have been reading, your PC currently has a 250w no-name brand and the PSU's that they put into pre-built computers are low-quality to reduce cost. So they usually cannot even provide their rated power, I can find more info if you provide the model number, but its really not necessary.

The 9800GT so far looks like you best bet and consumes about ~110 under full load, 150w is the max it could ever draw through 1 - 6pin connector 75w and the PCI-E 75w, but I doubt it would ever get even close to that.

So your PC doesnt need more than 250w to run we know that and the GPU at its theoretical max 150w, totals out to 400w, which is the lowest you will want to go on a PSU.

From the ones you have listed, they are all nice PSU's, go with the Antec if you want to pinch every penny, it is still a nice PSU. Go for the Seasonic is you want the absolute best. And the Corsair is you are less worried about price and more worried about having more watts.

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FYI, the seasonic 620w is the same price as the 520w you linked so if you want 600w+ of power, go with that.
Agreed

I hope that helps you out, let me know if you have any other questions. :) 

God I type to much to slow, everyone answers the questions before i finish. :pfff: 
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November 20, 2010 3:46:25 AM

he's getting the eco 9800GT. it's a tuned down version of the regular 9800GT and does not need a 6-pin power connector.
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November 20, 2010 3:55:02 AM

ct1615 said:
he's getting the eco 9800GT. it's a tuned down version of the regular 9800GT and does not need a 6-pin power connector.

Oh, I did not notice that, my bad. 400w is still a good recommendation, not to many 300w-400w PSu's out there.
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November 20, 2010 3:57:20 AM

The 620 watt Seasonic model is non modular whereas the one OP has selected is modular.. Its also quite powerful to power a single video card setup compromising of almost any upper mid range video card.. So IMO he should stick with his choice.. As for the video card itself, if you do not game very heavily then your current choice is quite powerful enough to serve your needs..
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a b ) Power supply
November 20, 2010 4:12:28 AM

ct1615 said:
he's getting the eco 9800GT. it's a tuned down version of the regular 9800GT and does not need a 6-pin power connector.
Oh, I did not notice that, my bad. 400w is still a good recommendation, not to many 300w-400w PSu's out there.
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just have wal-mart ship it directly to a nearby store for pick up
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Ok, nfarnham2001. These are good PSU's to chose from that will work fine with your PC, you just need to find what fits into your budget and has the features you want.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-CX430-430W-ATX12V-Pow... - Not 80+ Certified, money saver.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-Basiq-500-Watt-Power-Su... - Not 80+ Certified, money saver.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-500W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+, more power if you want.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-430W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+ Bronze, more efficient but pricey.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-380W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+ Bronze, best value and efficient.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Sonic-ATX12V-and-EPS12V-6... - 80+ Bronze, highest quality, efficient and more than plenty of power.
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November 20, 2010 4:20:27 AM

Thank you all so much for your quick responses, but still a few questions.

I picked the modular due to a personal paranoia with cooling issues.

My main question is that video card I linked (never knew it was eco version lol) but it has what looks to be two plates on the back, you call those expansion slots I think right? Should it matter that my computer only looks like it has room enough for one of those slot brackets? Also, at 10 by 6 inches, this will fit in my computer?

I don't do much hardcore gaming, my MAIN concern is to play all of my games at low to mid settings with smooth frame rates at 1440 by 900 on my desktop. I play games like WoW, Dragon Age, Sims 2 and Sims 3, and such. Dragon Age is by far the most graphically intensive.

But thank you all for the help. Since that 9800GT is a tuned down eco, would paying an extra 10 to 15 bucks for an ATI 5670 be a smart move for better performance?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/XFX-Radeon-HD-5670-PCI-Expres...

Not to further annoy you all, but within the next few weeks this thread may get bumped back up again for me seeking further help from you all. Thank you again.
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November 20, 2010 4:44:43 AM

Its all worth to spend a few extra bucks and get the HD 5670.. Its newer, has more features (except physx ofcourse) and performs on par with the 9800GT.. Also, be on the lookout for HD 5750 and/or GTS 450.. They too don't cost that much but perform better compared to the 9800GT and HD 5670..
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November 20, 2010 4:47:15 AM

thechief73 said:
Oh, I did not notice that, my bad. 400w is still a good recommendation, not to many 300w-400w PSu's out there.
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just have wal-mart ship it directly to a nearby store for pick up
Agreed


Ok, nfarnham2001. These are good PSU's to chose from that will work fine with your PC, you just need to find what fits into your budget and has the features you want.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-CX430-430W-ATX12V-Pow... - Not 80+ Certified, money saver.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-Basiq-500-Watt-Power-Su... - Not 80+ Certified, money saver.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-500W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+, more power if you want.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-430W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+ Bronze, more efficient but pricey.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-380W-ATX12V-v2.3-PSU/13... - 80+ Bronze, best value and efficient.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Sonic-ATX12V-and-EPS12V-6... - 80+ Bronze, highest quality, efficient and more than plenty of power.


Quick question, some of those like the Antec 430w. How did you find them? When I go to walmart.com and search for antec 430, the ONLY search result I got was the basiq 430, online.
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a c 230 U Graphics card
November 20, 2010 5:08:52 AM

Most of the stuff Walmart sells on its web site is not sold in stores

Retail Downsides - Higher cost, clueless staff, zero support, limited choice, gas expense and taxes

Mail Order - no instant gratification

I have not bought a computer part other than a case and speakers (for shipping / weight reasons ) ina store since 1993.

But all that aside....

The only PSU's I'd buy (from Walmart's web site .... who knows what is in store)

Antec EA750 $115 ($25 cheaper at newegg and "not sold in stores" at Walmart)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-EA750-EarthWatts-ATX12V...

Antec TP550 $95 ($5 cheaper at newegg and "not sold in stores" at Walmart)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-TP-550-ATX12V-EPS12V-Po...

See also 650 and 750

Corsair 650HX $140 ($30 cheaper at newegg and "not sold in stores" at Walmart)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-CMPSU-650HX-650w-HX-S...

Corsair TX650 $110 ($30 cheaper at newegg and "not sold in stores" at Walmart)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Corsair-TX-Series-80-Plus-650...

Seasonoc M12 550 $89 ($10 cheaper at newegg and "not sold in stores" at Walmart)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sea-Sonic-ATX12V-and-EPS12V-5...

Avoid buying by brand name ..... Antec High Current Pro / SG & CP series for example are state of the art products (like Corsair HX or XFX Black) ..... Antec Basiq is 'bargain basement"...... TP (like Corsair's TX) is good consumer / low level enthusiast niche. Vendors build / sell to different markets....some products meant for one market (quick / cheap sales) some for another.
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a b ) Power supply
November 20, 2010 5:16:28 AM

1. If you do not think you have room for two slots then yes it may be an issue. you will not have a problem fitting these cards in your case due to the size.

2. I think the 5670 and the 9800GT are on the same page as eachother or the GTS 450 will be a good move, I was going to suggest that to you earlier but I was trying to stay in your suggested budget. I would say the XFX Radeon HD 5670 PCI Express 1GB DDR5 Graphics Card for the decent price and Lifetime Warranty. But the GTS 450 will perform better, but cost a bit more, same with the 5770 better performance bit more cost.
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a b ) Power supply
November 20, 2010 5:29:26 AM

nfarnham2001 said:
Quick question, some of those like the Antec 430w. How did you find them? When I go to walmart.com and search for antec 430, the ONLY search result I got was the basiq 430, online.
I went to the power supply page and used the refined search tools on the left, selected under $100 and brands Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, these are mostly order online then they ship them to the store for you, and you can pick them up.

Keep in mind even with those higher power GPU's you really have no need for a PUS over 500w, but if there are high wattage one available at a similar price then there is no reason not to go for the high wattage is the quality and performance are also in the same range.
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November 20, 2010 12:39:41 PM

Emperus said:
Its all worth to spend a few extra bucks and get the HD 5670.. Its newer, has more features (except physx ofcourse) and performs on par with the 9800GT.. Also, be on the lookout for HD 5750 and/or GTS 450.. They too don't cost that much but perform better compared to the 9800GT and HD 5670..


the ATI 5670 performs on par with the eco 9800GT and regular 9600GT. a regular 9800GT (6-pin power card) will outperform it, as you can see in the chart below

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November 20, 2010 2:57:01 PM

ct1615 said:
the ATI 5670 performs on par with the eco 9800GT and regular 9600GT. a regular 9800GT (6-pin power card) will outperform it, as you can see in the chart below

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_5670_IceQ/images/perfrel_1680.gif


A look at the Tom's video card hierarchy chart suggests that the HD 5670 is on par with the 9800GT.. Dint knew that the eco version makes that much difference.. The extra feature set on the 5670 still makes it a better buy IMO.. However, with prices so close, its better to opt for the 5750 or the GTS 450 I guess..
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November 20, 2010 6:06:08 PM

Emperus said:
A look at the Tom's video card hierarchy chart suggests that the HD 5670 is on par with the 9800GT.. Dint knew that the eco version makes that much difference.. The extra feature set on the 5670 still makes it a better buy IMO.. However, with prices so close, its better to opt for the 5750 or the GTS 450 I guess..


Tom's list is ballpark. they list the GTX 260 as equal to the GTX 275 & GTX280, obviously the latter two are better then the former. The other issue is real world difference. the 9800GT is 17% better then the ATI 5670 at 1680x1050. If I'm playing a game at 20FPS, well 24FPS is not going to be that much better. the two cards are borderline close enough to each other that picking the cheaper would make sense and I would not consider moving from an ATI 5670 to a Nvidia 8800GT/9800GT an upgrade.

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