GTX 460 vs GTX 465

Hey guys, im not sure what card to pick GTX 460 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech [...] TX461.html) or GTX 465 (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech [...] TX465.html)

The GTX 465 is only £6 more it also has 2 years warranty whilst the 460 has only 1 year, but i heard the GTX 460 1gb version is better in some areas, also will these work with
Antec TruePower New Modular 650W Power Supply (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech [...] P-650.html) they say you need: Minimum 550W or greater system power supply (with a minimum 12V current rating of 38A) not sure if that psu has that.

Also will it work with my motherboard?
X38-DS4 Motherboard from gigabyte (http://www.lanthrax.com/news_details.asp?NewsID=01268)

Message edited by Anonymous on 07-26-2010 at 10:35:48 PM

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the GTX 460 is a better card then the GTX 465 despite the higher number in the name. In fact, expect to see Nvidia put the GTX 465 into the retirement home.

your PSU is more then enough for the card and you have a PCI-E 2.0 graphic slot so you will have no issues.

Message edited by ct1615 on 07-26-2010 at 10:45:08 PM

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I'm researching my behind off trying to figure out if I should upgrade to a GTX460, and while I'm not facing the same dilema as you, I can tell you that from the many reviews, benchmarks, buyer comments, etc - the concensus is pretty clear that the GTX460 offers superior real world performance in almost every way. I wouldn't even consider the GTX 465 if I were you. Warranty aside, your card will probably burn within an hour if something is wrong with it - so 1 vs 2 years warranty is a joke - it's either short term or life-time, anything in between is just marketing. Good luck!

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Reply to omnimodis78

If you're going with just one GTX460, id go with the palit sonic platinum 1gb for $249.99 (with a free $50 dollar game)

if you're going to do SLI, I'd go with a pair of EVGA superclocked 460s ($209.99 each)

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go for gtx 460

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lowriderflow wrote :

If you're going with just one GTX460, id go with the palit sonic platinum 1gb for $249.99 (with a free $50 dollar game)

if you're going to do SLI, I'd go with a pair of EVGA superclocked 460s ($209.99 each)

Why would you do that when you can just overclock them yourself?

Regardless, get the 460 1GB version.

The 465 was a failure card, and the 460 768mb isn't worth it in my opinion.

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Message edited by Helltech on 07-27-2010 at 02:07:50 AM

Yeeh, im with the get the 1gb 460 cause the 465 isnt that great, I mean its weird cause right now our company doesnt sell the 460 o.O need to get that changed, we'll be replacing the 465 with the 460 in all the systems soon cause it pretty much wipes the floor with the 465 xD

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Helltech wrote :

Why would you do that when you can just overclock them yourself?

Regardless, get the 460 1GB version.

The 465 was a failure card, and the 460 768mb isn't worth it in my opinion.

the 465 was not a failure most of the games the gtx 460 scored 1 to 2 fps more big deal.as of now the gtx 465 is coming down in price and will probably be about the same price as a gtx 460 1 gig in the coming weeks.you cant go wrong with either card i would reccomend the 460 at this point but when they both are in the same price range in the coming weeks it really doesnt matter which one you chose.funny everyone says the 465 was a faliure yet it had better price per fps then the 5850 and yet that card is so awsome right?

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Message edited by banenwn on 07-28-2010 at 11:08:21 AM

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Uhm, price per performance its one of the worse cards.... So yeah its a failure card. It wouldn't have to come down in price if it performed like it should. And to make it worth it, it would have to come down under the price of the 460 1GB version.

A card that is SUPPOSED to be better then its little brother that is more expensive and performs worse??? Also it runs hotter and consumers more power.....

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sh [...] ?p=2294225

When asked about comparing the 460 to the 465 to the 470

"yeah you'd get a bit less performance with a 460, but temps would be a bit better. and 470 is much hotter. 465 can immediately be disregarded."

465 can be IMMEDIATELY disregarded? See, it sucks people don't even consider it.

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Message edited by Helltech on 07-28-2010 at 12:08:13 PM

I would go with a 460, as mentiond in the Tomshardware reivews the 460 is one of Nvidias GF104 Graphics Processor.
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 684-2.html

as mentiond in the conclusion of the above review

"If you read my GeForce GTX 465 and held off on a mainstream Fermi-based upgrade, then you have to be smiling to yourself right now. The 1 GB GeForce GTX 460 performs on par with the pricier GTX 465, losing to it in some cases and beating it in others. If you’re just looking at speed for the price, that top-end GeForce GTX 460 already rises to the top as a favorite in Nvidia’s lineup. Then factor in a shorter board (the same size as AMD’s Radeon HD 5770), cooler operating temperatures, lower power consumption, and a damn near-silent fan. No question, the GeForce GTX 460 1 GB is the way to go there"

Message edited by TheUnthinkingMajority on 07-28-2010 at 01:04:30 PM

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banenwn wrote :

the 465 was not a failure most of the games the gtx 460 scored 1 to 2 fps more big deal.as of now the gtx 465 is coming down in price and will probably be about the same price as a gtx 460 1 gig in the coming weeks.you cant go wrong with either card i would reccomend the 460 at this point but when they both are in the same price range in the coming weeks it really doesnt matter which one you chose.

Even if they were the same price the GTX 460 is both better and more power efficient. The GTX 465 uses almost twice as much more power at idle and 30w more under load which also translates into more heat. The GTX 465 simply ahs no advantages and there is no reason to buy one. Maybe if it gets down to $200 it would be an interesting alternative to the 768mb GTX 460 for people willing to trade off power efficiency for slightly better performance.

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Helltech wrote :

Uhm, price per performance its one of the worse cards.... So yeah its a failure card. It wouldn't have to come down in price if it performed like it should. And to make it worth it, it would have to come down under the price of the 460 1GB version.

A card that is SUPPOSED to be better then its little brother that is more expensive and performs worse??? Also it runs hotter and consumers more power.....

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/sh [...] ?p=2294225

When asked about comparing the 460 to the 465 to the 470

"yeah you'd get a bit less performance with a 460, but temps would be a bit better. and 470 is much hotter. 465 can immediately be disregarded."

465 can be IMMEDIATELY disregarded? See, it sucks people don't even consider it.

maybe you should do your research before you comment it is consistantly 1st or 2nd best price/per performance card in all games benched.better then the 5850/70 gtx 470 and 80. gtx 465 is not a bad card by any means problem is the gtx 460 is like the 8800 GT a few years back it just so happens to be the best bang for the buck card on the planet right now and number 2 right now is the 5770 and number 3 the gtx 465 thats far from being a faliure http://benchmarkreviews.com/index. [...] mitstart=6

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Your numbers are simply wrong;

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] GB/33.html

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Message edited by jyjjy on 07-29-2010 at 07:10:16 AM

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jyjjy wrote :

Maybe if it gets down to $200 it would be an interesting alternative to the 768mb GTX 460 for people willing to trade off power efficiency for slightly better performance.

even then once you start to OC, the GTX460 pulls away with much better head room. the GTX465 is heading for an early retirement.

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jyjjy wrote :

Your numbers are simply wrong;
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Zotac/Ge [...] r_1920.gif
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] GB/33.html

They werent my numbers what makes you think yours are right?m not arguing the 460 is a better buy however gtx 465 not garbage especially when they overclock like champs and are able to beatout 5850's for 50-70$ less.

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Message edited by banenwn on 07-29-2010 at 07:23:40 AM

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ct1615 wrote :

even then once you start to OC, the GTX460 pulls away with much better head room.

Nope, the GTX 465 has it's problems but overclocking is not one of them. The GTX 460 may in general achieve higher speeds on the core it also starts at a significantly higher stock clock(675mhz vs 607mhz.) Overall I would say they are pretty equal in overclocking ability, if anything the GTX 465 may have a slight advantage.

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Message edited by jyjjy on 07-29-2010 at 07:23:33 AM

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banenwn wrote :

They werent my numbers what makes you think yours are right? i showed you game benchmarks then the price/fps stats all your showing me is a graph with no benches.im not arguing the 460 is a better buy however gtx 465 not garbage especially when they overclock like champs and are able to beatout 5850's for 50-70$ less.

I also linked the entire review it is based upon with a much larger selection of benchmarks and cards tested. The review is also significantly more recent. The link is at the bottom of the chart. They don't say the exact prices they are using but they say where they got them from(newegg) and the price the are using can be calculated with some math if you really want to know the exact numbers.
Also in what way does the GTX 465 "beatout" the HD5850?

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jyjjy wrote :

Nope, the GTX 465 has it's problems but overclocking is not one of them. The GTX 460 may in general achieve higher speeds on the core it also starts at a significantly higher stock clock(675mhz vs 607mhz.) Overall I would say they are pretty equal in overclocking ability, if anything the GTX 465 may have a slight advantage.

actually yes, maybe instead of posting graphs you should actually take the time to read them rather then post your nonsense

from the site you just linked to!
GTX 465 OC Call of Duty 4 exact same settings

GTX 465 - 83 FPS to 96 FPS in OC
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] 65/32.html

GTX 460 768mb - 94FPS to 109FPS in OC
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews [...] MB/34.html

the GTX 460 OC load temp 58c, the GTX 465 87c

other then the PSU, the test systems are identical

Reply to ct1615

Nonsense? Are you kidding? How is this for nonsense;
You are posting numbers from one benchmark based on the OC they managed to achieve on one site(with no description of their methods or if they bumped up voltage.) Furthermore that benchmark has the GTX 460 768mb AT STOCK being 13.7% faster than the GTX 465. The benchmark numbers are meaningless and the OC numbers should be just one(questionable) data point for anyone interested in the overclocking limits of these cards.
I was posting from my general knowledge of the subject from reading a ton of reviews and posts. Usually the OC on the GTX 465(and the other GF100 cards) will fall in the 800-850mhz range while the GF104 cards are usually in the 850-900mhz range.

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Message edited by jyjjy on 07-29-2010 at 08:06:13 AM

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jyjjy wrote :

Nonsense? Are you kidding? How is this for nonsense;
You are posting numbers from one benchmark based on the OC they Furthermore that benchmark has the GTX 460 768mb AT STOCK being 13.7% faster than the GTX 465. The benchmark numbers are meaningless and the OC numbers should be just one(questionable) data point for anyone interested in the overclocking limits of these cards.
I was posting from my general knowledge of the subject from reading a ton of reviews and posts. Usually the OC on the GTX 465(and the other GF100 cards) will fall in the 800-850mhz range while the GF104 cards are usually in the 850-900mhz range.

im dead serious. you are now questioning the results of the site you are so quickly using to back up your theories...so its questionable when other people use the data you link but fact when you use it?.....pathetic

who cares if the 768mb card is factory OC? both cards are pushed to the limit by the reviewer. so the results are not meaningless but fact, your nonsense posts are meaningless.

oh and if you took the time to actually read the top of the page that you so quickly use as fact to back up your comments but state is meaningless when others use it, you will see they actually already answered your question of "managed to achieve on one site(with no description of their methods or if they bumped up voltage.) "

with this statement in the second line!
"The overclocks listed here were achieved with the default fan and voltage settings"
that is not just pathetic on your part, its lazy!

your general knowledge on the cards is crap and unintelligent opinions based on no facts. it should be kept to yourself before you ever think to question anyone else!! loser!

Reply to ct1615

WTH
I'm not going to respond to your nitpicking of my posts and personal attacks except to say I'm disappointed to see this from a regular. Just because we both used the same site doesn't mean you are using the info the site presents in a correct manner. You are quite simply using evidence that isn't nearly robust enough to draw any conclusions about how these cards overclock in general. For that knowledge you need extensive sources because every card will OC to a different degree that depends on whether the voltage is raised. I don't know why you think the GTX 465 doesn't OC well. Like the HD5830 it is the one saving grace of the card that in certain circumstances made it a reasonable purchase. Do some research beyond one review and you'll find that what I'm saying is in fact correct.

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considering toms latest benchmark on 2 gtx 460's beating 1 gtx 480, id get 1 gtx 460 and if your mobo supports sli get another one.

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jyjjy wrote :

WTH
Just because we both used the same site doesn't mean you are using the info the site presents in a correct manner. You are quite simply using evidence that isn't nearly robust enough to draw any conclusions about how these cards overclock in general. For that knowledge you need extensive sources because every card will OC to a different degree that depends on whether the voltage is raised. I don't know why you think the GTX 465 doesn't OC well. Like the HD5830 it is the one saving grace of the card that in certain circumstances made it a reasonable purchase. Do some research beyond one review and you'll find that what I'm saying is in fact correct.

ok so I now have to do research but its OK for you to post links from the exact site, not even read them, and call it fact?? but i have to do research......i have to do research.....
everything you just stated can be applied to your link and opinions, even more so since you proved you don't even read them! So to prevent you from further back peddling, embarrassment and continuous posting of "do i say, not as I do"

I stated the GTX460 is the better card to OC compared to the GTX465. i never stated any opinions on the GTX465 as a stand alone card when it comes to OC.

Reply to ct1615

What are you talking about? What does posting the sites chart of performance/dollar have to do with you acting like one OC result for each card at stock volts means anything? Using the same site says nothing about the manner in which we used them. Exactly what research are you suggesting I should have done?
And I know exactly what you stated and I also know my response was exactly appropriate. The OCing ability of the two cards in question are roughly equal and yes, if I was forced to pick whether one or the other OCs to a higher degree it would be the GTX 465. What I don't know is why you find this concept so offensive and why you think your response was an effective illustration of the general OCing ability of the cards.

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[quotemsg=2186765,24,62373... why you think your response was an effective illustration of the general OCing ability of the cards.[/quotemsg]

until proven otherwise, its the most equal OC test there in using the exact same game, settings, and test system. that's why it s a great illustration!

Reply to ct1615

The aren't even overvolting the cards... the results are meaningless to a serious overclocker. Even if you want to stick with that one site and stock voltages for some reason these are the actual results from that site;
Card / OC / OC% over reference core speeds for the card
MSI GTX 460 1gb / 850mhz / 25.9%
Zotac GTX 460 1gb / 835mhz / 23.7%
MSI GTX 460 768mb / 848mhz / 25.6%
Axle GTX 460 768mb / 863mhz / 27.8%
MSI GTX 465 / 760mhz / 25.2%
Zotac GTX 465 / 759mhz / 25.1%
So you must be basing your conclusions on the COD4 benchmark. This is ONE game, an old one too, in which the 768mb card at stock is notably better than the GTX 465 which is the opposite of most benchmarks. Even if you wanted to make a broad statement about the abilities of the cards when OCed this clearly would be a poor choice.

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Message edited by jyjjy on 07-29-2010 at 03:40:34 PM

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jyjjy wrote :

Even if you wanted to make a broad statement about the abilities of the cards when OCed this clearly would be a poor choice.

that's your statement not mine so don't put words in my mouth! so stop crying like a little girl. you made an fasle statement. got called out embarrassingly when proven wrong, a liar, and a fool. THE BENCHMARKS WAS EQUAL IN ALL TEST SET UPS, PROVED THE GTX 460 WAS BETTER. YOU HAVE YET TO PROVE ANYTHING OTHERWISE BUT TO CRY ABOUT IT! Now you CAN simply accept the facts as the previous statement or rid us your stupidity!

:cry: i can link to a site and call it facts but when you do its not fair even from the exact same site

:cry: i need to only link one benchmark and call it fact but you need to do multi links

:cry: the test never stated how they got their OC marks.... :cry: oh wait they did.... :cry: well I didn't read it so it doesn't count

:cry: i call the whole thing invalid because it disproves any of my points

:cry: i'll make up statements and put words in other people mouth to get it off topic so i don't look so stupid

SERIOUSLY, GROW A SET!