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July 27, 2010 9:06:32 PM

This is my motherboard and im wondering what would be the best graphics card to get with this video card or if would just be better to get a whole new motherboard. I saw this but I'm not sure if it is compatible. I want a graphics card for gaming. Mostly for WoW.

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a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2010 11:38:59 PM

The card would work just fine, as the card is PCI-Express and you have a PCI-Express x 16 slot available.

The only thing is that you have a PCI-Express 1.0 slot and the card is PCI-E 2.0. The card will still work, you'll just have a reduction in performance slightly.

Additionally, make sure you have enough power from your power supply to power that card.
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July 27, 2010 11:49:34 PM

Id say upgrade the rest of your system first, 939 CPUs are relatively slow to today's standards, especial single core versions. You'll see a major improvements upgrading the CPU/Mobo for WOW.

That GTX460 in that system would be horribly bottlenecked.
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a b U Graphics card
July 27, 2010 11:57:05 PM

^^ What he said
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July 28, 2010 4:53:06 PM

bumpso my best bet would be just to get a new motherboard? Also memory refresher CPU is built into the motherboard right? my power supply says Win-400ps with that info should i get a new power supply too?Also memory refresher CPU is built into the motherboard right?
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July 28, 2010 6:28:48 PM

You really just need a new CPU and more RAM, as your old ones are holding you back a lot, but in order to change the CPU you have to change the mobo as AMD no longer produces CPUs for the 939 socket. As part of the package, you'll also need new DDR2/DDR3 RAM due the fact your old mobo supports only 2GB, and the fact that new mobos no longer support DDR. Its gong to be alot faster also.

Whats your total budget for these? $300 can get you a long way nowadays.
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a b U Graphics card
July 28, 2010 6:37:00 PM

+1 for Timop

What you need is a CPU, RAM, Motherboard upgrade to start with. An old single core socket 939 CPU is NOT going to keep up with a GTX 460. ;)  And it'll be crippled by WoW these days anyhow.
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July 29, 2010 4:42:54 PM

ok does anyone have some suggestions for affordable prices?
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July 29, 2010 4:45:58 PM

Whats your full budget? For $300, an Athlon X3/870/DDR3 would be a big improvement. but for $500, you can start considering i5 750 builds.
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July 29, 2010 5:35:05 PM

What about the video card won't that be more money on top of the 257?
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July 29, 2010 5:38:34 PM

ry19966 said:
What about the video card won't that be more money on top of the 257?

Yeah, that why I was asking you for your budget.
Also that MSI is alright, but you lose crossfire and MIRs are annoying.
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July 29, 2010 11:55:03 PM

Option 1: $320AR, great GPU, DX11, power efficient and should handle most games just fine.
Mobo+CPU $130
GPU+RAM $190AR

Option 2, $282AR Slightly weaker graphics performance, only DX10 higher power consumption .
same Mobo+CPU combo $130
RAM $82
GPU $70AR

Option 3, $293AR better single threaded performance for games like SC2, everything else carried from option 2.
CPU+Mobo $141
RAM $82
GPU $70AR

Do you have any microcenters near you? They have pretty good CPU/Mobo combos, you can go take a look.
Also, you could sell your old board/CPU/RAM for $40-80, there's quite a niche for 939 hardware actually.
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July 30, 2010 1:02:18 AM

with these video cards wouldn't i have to get a new power supply? My power supply is win-400ps or is that good enough?
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July 30, 2010 1:13:37 AM

ry19966 said:
with these video cards wouldn't i have to get a new power supply? My power supply is win-400ps or is that good enough?

Whoops, kinda forgot that, sorry.

That PSU wont be enough unfortunately. Heres one that should power either setup just fine for $30.
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July 30, 2010 1:18:27 AM

isnt my powersupply already 400w?
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July 30, 2010 1:21:02 AM

ry19966 said:
isnt my powersupply already 400w?

Yeah, but is an really old model that focuses mainly on the +5v rail, Both GPUs and CPUs nowadays draws power off the 12V rail, which makes your old power supply only only a "200W" to todays standards, and this one twice as powerful.
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July 30, 2010 1:25:00 AM

the first video card says it requires 450w :S
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July 30, 2010 1:28:16 AM

ry19966 said:
the first video card says it requires 450w :S

It will run on the Antec just fine, its a pretty good PSU. 450W is just a general estimate for those not-so-well PSUs.
But spending more on a higher rated PSU does help with the longetivity of the PSU somewhat.
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July 30, 2010 1:35:11 AM

NO, its horrible quality and will just be bad.

The Antec is a steal for the price, High quality and outputs about the same as that Apevia even-though rated for 100W less.
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July 30, 2010 1:39:15 AM

im just wondering how my power supply can lose watts and now be considered 200w.
and are u sure that new power supply will support tht gpu :/ 
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 1:41:16 AM

Antec makes a much higher quality PSU than Apevia ever will. Notice the Apevia is $39.99 at regular price. The Antec (even being 100W less) is $39.99 AFTER a $20 instant rebate, and then you have a Promo-Code for another $10 off.

It's $10 cheaper, AND a much better quality product.

Note however, under the Specs page it says the Antec PSU does NOT include a power cord. So keep your current power cord handy. :) 
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July 30, 2010 1:45:27 AM

im still kind of confused as to why my current power supply win-400ps couldn't support it but the antec with the 400w will :/  is there any higher voltage power supplies u would suggest
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 1:47:20 AM

ry19966 said:
im just wondering how my power supply can lose watts and now be considered 200w.
and are u sure that new power supply will support tht gpu :/ 


Including ALL outputs on your win-400ps, it can output a MAX of 400W. However, 30amps is dedicated to the +5V rail. How many amps, determines how much wattage can be output on that specific rail. The +12v Rail (CPU & GPU) is only 16Amps.

So for example:

30 amps * 5 volts = 150Watts (this is your +5V rail)

16 amps * 12 volts = 192Watts (this is your +12V rail)

Most CPUs are 95W (some quad cores or performance models more). Plus you still need 75W for the PCI-E expansion slot your GPU plugs into, plus on many cards you need to attach a PCI-E 6pin power cable adding MORE power draw. All this gets pulled through the +12V rail.

Here's your other problem. Power supplies degrade over time. So one that pushes 400W MAX (total across all rails) after a couple years may only safely output say 350W.

(Specs for the win-400ps can be found here: http://www.testseek.com/computers/powersupply/future_po... )


The 400W Antec Power Supply Timop suggested, is capable of outputing 30amps on the +12 volt rail.

30 amps * 12 volts = 360W

Compare this to the meager (when it was new) 192W your existing power supply has for both your CPU and GPU, and you can see that there's a huge difference.


FYI: Two of the CPUs you were recommended up above are 95W, and one of them is 80W.
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July 30, 2010 1:47:38 AM

ry19966 said:
im just wondering how my power supply can lose watts and now be considered 200w.
and are u sure that new power supply will support tht gpu :/ 

Look at the ratings, your old PSU had 16amps on the 12volt rail, and Amps*Voltage=Watts, so it had only 192W useable by modern CPUs/GPUs, while the Antec has 30A, which translates into 360W, or almost double the power.

^^ you got to it first.. :lol: 

The HD4870 uses ~200W of power on max load, and the Athlon X3 90W. The Antec has 360W, so you'll have more than enough power.
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 1:51:50 AM

Also, the review I found (where I got the specs) on your existing Power Supply (the win-400ps) was from 2003! Is your power supply 7 years old? If so, it may be due for a catastrophic meltdown anytime now. ;)  LOL
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 1:59:10 AM

ry19966 said:
oh i get it now ty it just seemed like i was being scammed but how do i know the antec will support the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



ATI 5770 Review page including Power Consumption
http://www.techspot.com/review/209-ati-radeon-hd-5770/p...

ATI 5770 Review - Claims the card uses 102W during Furmark 1.6.5 benchmark (chart appears to be German or something)
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697202/Ati-Radeon-HD...
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July 30, 2010 1:59:21 AM

ry19966 said:
oh i get it now ty it just seemed like i was being scammed but how do i know the antec will support the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heres the link to the power consumption of many modern GPUs. Add 90Ws for the Athlon X3 and 80W for the Phenom X2 and if the total is under 320W you'll be fine with the Antec.
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 2:01:46 AM

Timop said:
Heres the link to the power consumption of many modern GPUs. Add 90Ws for the Athlon X3 and 80W for the Phenom X2 and if the total is under 320W you'll be fine with the Antec.


They claim the maximum draw for the ATI 5770 was 112W on their charts.

Meager compared to the 232W of my GTX 470!! :o 
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 2:03:52 AM

ry19966 said:
well it has been working for five years so it cant be tht scetchy xD

Will the antec one suggested support http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... which was suggested


If you had a 95W CPU, and the ATI 5770 (which reportedly maxes at 112W power consumption, that's a total of 207Watts pull on the +12V rail. Keep in mind, your fans, hard drives, CD drives, etc are on that rail too. But with a total output potential of 320W, and your two hungriest parts consuming about 207W... you should be perfectly fine.

I'd trust the ratings Antec gives for their PSU's MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than some generic off-brand that has the "Manufacturer's Link" send you to some online store that looks bogus to begin with.
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July 30, 2010 2:04:03 AM

so it will work? :? i usually know a good amount about computers but i am still a little confused

nvm u beat me to asking
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July 30, 2010 2:09:04 AM

jerreece said:
If you had a 95W CPU, and the ATI 5770 (which reportedly maxes at 112W power consumption, that's a total of 207Watts pull on the +12V rail. Keep in mind, your fans, hard drives, CD drives, etc are on that rail too. But with a total output potential of 320W, and your two hungriest parts consuming about 207W... you should be perfectly fine.

I'd trust the ratings Antec gives for their PSU's MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than some generic off-brand that has the "Manufacturer's Link" send you to some online store that looks bogus to begin with.

Not quite, Molex and SATA cables still includes pins for +3.3V and +5V in addition to the +12v.

Besides, a HDD/ODD consumes 5W each.

Unless the OP have a HDD farm in his setup, you will be perfectly fine with either GPU.
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July 30, 2010 2:12:28 AM

so how different will this be compared to my current graphics card NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200
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July 30, 2010 2:16:55 AM

ry19966 said:
so how different will this be compared to my current graphics card NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200

like night and day, really.
Hard to say a number, maybe 30-40 time the performance? :pt1cable: 
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July 30, 2010 2:21:13 AM

ry19966 said:
or instead of upgrading would it be better for me to just get a kit like this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

It will cost the same and you wont have a video card. If you want a case, there are plenty of good ones for around $30.

Also the PSU would be a lot worse, it only outputs 24W more despite being rated 200W more, and bad quality too.
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July 30, 2010 2:23:24 AM

good point didnt notice there wasnt a vid card
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July 30, 2010 2:37:49 AM

i think tht will be good if i have any more questions can i just pm you? ty for all the help but first one last question. Is it worth upgrading my computer or would it be cheaper to just buy a new computer altogether.
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July 30, 2010 2:50:40 AM

You're basically building another computer, just reusing your old case and ODD. When you have more money to spend, I recommend buying another Hard-drive, its gonna really speedup boot times, load times and responsiveness.

Fell free to PM if you have any questions.
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July 30, 2010 3:03:20 AM

thank you for all the help
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July 30, 2010 3:04:02 AM

Best answer selected by ry19966.
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