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September 2, 2010 7:17:32 PM

Primary use:gaming and video and sound editing.
Displays: either my 720P projector or 1080 p Samsung lcd television.
I have an older pc which I plan to pull some extra hard drives from, a dvd burner and any other bits and bobs I can recover from it.

I've checked reviews, asked co-workers (I work in a tech office, I'm the rookie) and I think I'm pretty happy with the turnout. This is the first time I've tried to build a pc. Any advice and suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Also, if any one can name off some tools I'll need to put it together that would also be appreciated. Thanks much community :D 

The parts in ((())) are those which I decided not use in favor of the ones that aren't in brackets.


$329.99 (@ncix) Intel Core i7 950 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 3.06GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S
((($712.99 Intel BX80601960 Core i7 960 Processor - 3.20GHz, 8MB L3 Cache, 4.8GT/s QPI, HyperThreading, Quad Core, Bloomfield, LGA 1366, with Fan)))
((($1069.97 intel core 980xtreme I7 CPU}}

$199.99ASUS P6T Motherboard - LGA 1366, Intel X58, SATA, SLI Ready, CrossFireX Ready, Triple Channel DDR3 support, RAID, Hyperthreading support
((($374.99 ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard - LGA 1366, Intel X58, SATA, SLI Ready, CrossFireX Ready, Triple Channel DDR3 support, RAID, Hyperthreading, USB 3.0, SATA 6Gb/s

$387.99 Corsair Core i7 XMS3 12GB PC12800 DDR3 Desktop Memory Upgrade - 6x2048MB
((($249.99 Crucial Ballistix 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model)))

$709 ati radeon hd 5970 black edition
((($450.00 x2 radeon 5870 chipset video card))

$309.99 (canada computers deal) Corsair Storage Solutions 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk Drive Force Series (SSD) 285MB/s Read 275MB/s Write, w/2.5" to 3.5" bracket (CSSD-F120GB2-BRKT)
((($364.99 OCZ OCZSSD2-2VTXE120G Vertex 2 Solid State Drive - 120GB, 2.5", SATA II))
((($239.99 OCZ (OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G) Vertex 2 Extended SATA II 2.5" 90GB Solid State Drive, Read: 285MB/s, Write: 275MB/s)))

$159.99 Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 12 Drive Bay No PS Top USB3.0 USB Audio

$117.99 Corsair TX750W 750-Watt Power Supply - ATX, 140mm Fan, SLI-Ready, SATA-Ready, 80Plus

$79.97 Corsair CWCH50-1 Hydro H50 CPU Liquid Cooler

$68.30(after rebate) ASUS Xonar DX 7.1 Channel PCI-E Sound Card 24BIT Dolby Digital 116DB SNR W/ Low Profile Bracket


optionals
$99.99 (NCIX.com)Visiontek Killer 2100 Gaming NIC 128MB 400MHZ Gigabit Network Interface Card PCI-E1

Total cost is under $3000



September 2, 2010 7:31:35 PM

Are you going to SLI at some point? Are you looking to overclock?

I would say overall it is a pretty solid build. I would make some comments though.

1. I would drop down to a 480 depending on the price difference. I think the 480 is still 100+ cheaper, which could be big.
2. Would you just be using your SSD for boot? In that case, I don't think it needs to be 100+GB. You would be able to get by on a 90GB vertex 2 for $100 less

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. Water cooling? That is a messy, expensive way to go...and usually overkill. Just get an aftermarket heat sink for your cpu. The Coolermaster 212 is only 30 @ amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-Plus/dp/B...

4. If you are entertaining the idea of 480 sli or any type of upper level crossfire, you may want to consider stepping up to 850. Completely dependent on your current situation though.

5. I would hold off on the sound card until you hear your onboard sound. Onboard sound has gotten way, way better, and most people don't require anything additional.
September 2, 2010 7:48:07 PM

NeoElemental said:
Are you going to SLI at some point? Are you looking to overclock?

I would say overall it is a pretty solid build. I would make some comments though.

1. I would drop down to a 480 depending on the price difference. I think the 480 is still 100+ cheaper, which could be big.
2. Would you just be using your SSD for boot? In that case, I don't think it needs to be 100+GB. You would be able to get by on a 90GB vertex 2 for $100 less

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. Water cooling? That is a messy, expensive way to go...and usually overkill. Just get an aftermarket heat sink for your cpu. The Coolermaster 212 is only 30 @ amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-Plus/dp/B...

4. If you are entertaining the idea of 480 sli or any type of upper level crossfire, you may want to consider stepping up to 850. Completely dependent on your current situation though.

5. I would hold off on the sound card until you hear your onboard sound. Onboard sound has gotten way, way better, and most people don't require anything additional.




I haven't ever tried over clocking but it's something that I'm very interested in learning. I have a few buds that can help try it out.

I chose a SSD because I hear it can help with the speed of video converting. I'm still up in the air over the 90 gb or the 120 gb.

Since I plan to try overclocking, I was looking up efficient ways of cooling. I was thinking about going with th cooler mast v8, but I checked some reviews and the corsair liquid cooler showed better temps under high load. The unit is really interesting cause it comes pre-assembled with all the water and stuff inside. No mess :)  (hate mess lol)

I have a high end stereo system I want to run with this rig. So I thought a sound card would help the sound quality. But if there isn't much of a difference I suppose I shouldn't bother with it.

and Im' sorry but I don't quite know video cards very well so I'm not sure what you mean when you say to step up to 850 :sweat: 
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 2, 2010 7:55:53 PM
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I have no idea why anyone buys a gaming NIC. I have yet to read a review that says they actually do anything.

I would check reviews on the sound card against the onboard sound of whatever motherboard you get. A cheap sound card might not be any better than a good motherboard has.


The ASUS P6T is OLD. ASUS P6X58D-E LGA is a new model with all the features you need, including SATA3 and USB3 for $250
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

For RAM you want a Geil, Gskill, Corsair or Mushkin cas 7 latency, DDR3-1600, 1.65V or less (less is better) 3x2GB kit unless you know your music/video application will need more than that. Gskill ECO (1.3V) has been a good price lately, you should look for it. Your motherboard is going to want 1.5V RAM so getting 1.65V RAM will require manually increasing the RAM voltage in bios.

You should stick with the i7 930 or 950 and get a decent 120mm CPU cooling fan so you can overclock it.
*edit* Missed the corsair H50. Its a decent way to go. Its priced the same as and performs the same as the top end air coolers. Its completely sealed so its not a messy, dangerous thing to install like traditional watercoolers.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 2, 2010 7:57:11 PM

The i7-950 is the best buy (for an i7) right now, I'd stick with that.

For a motherboard, I'd want something with USB 3.0 & SATA 6.0 Gb/s, but you should be able to get something that isn't nearly $400. Is a Gigabyte UD3R available?

All of the SSD choices are quite solid, any one of them would be fine. SSDs do dramatically improve the general feel/response of the computer, but won't add much to gaming.

I would leave the sound card off for now and add one later if you're unhappy with the onboard sound. I'm not really sold on the H50 liquid cooling system, but it has decent reviews, so if it's appealing, go for it.

The one thing I would absolutely recommend that you not buy is the gaming network card. It might be useful if you go to a lot of LAN parties and those extra couple of ms somehow end up helping you there. Even then, a couple of ms is below the level of human reaction times, so you're unlikely to notice the difference. For gaming over the internet though, it won't do a thing. At best, it can shave a couple of ms off of your local traffic. It can't do anything to the response times once the signal goes beyond your broadband router and out into the wild.

"Step up to 850" means "get an 850W PSU rather than the 750W you currently have".

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by dndhatcher.
a b B Homebuilt system
September 2, 2010 7:59:27 PM

dndhatcher said:
I have no idea why anyone buys a gaming NIC. I have yet to read a review that says they actually do anything.


At one point, I read a review that was doing a double-blind test with a gaming NIC and an onboard, and more than 50% of the people thought they were using the gaming NIC when it was actually just using the onboard.

I should really try to dig up that review again.
September 2, 2010 8:09:35 PM

I would be wary of using the SSD to hold the video that you're actually processing or your video cache. SSD's have limited writes available, so using them for high frequency stuff like video editing would probably decrease their lifespan considerably. I haven't really looked into video editing with SSD's, so I could be off here.
September 2, 2010 8:24:23 PM

These are great suggestions. I think the recommended amount of ram for video editing is at least 8 gb.

Definately consider upgrading to the 850w power supply though. Not too much extra for it either.

I'll also definately take a look at upgrading to that mother board as well.

edit:: everyone has been telling me to scrap the nic lol. I think I will. save myself the 100 bones.
September 2, 2010 8:30:23 PM

NeoElemental said:
I would be wary of using the SSD to hold the video that you're actually processing or your video cache. SSD's have limited writes available, so using them for high frequency stuff like video editing would probably decrease their lifespan considerably. I haven't really looked into video editing with SSD's, so I could be off here.


would some other drives in Raid 0 be better than a solid state so I don't decrease it's lifespan ?
a b B Homebuilt system
September 2, 2010 8:35:34 PM

lumberjackben said:
would some other drives in Raid 0 be better than a solid state so I don't decrease it's lifespan ?


Depends on your definition of "better". RAID 0 will get you more storage, but if something goes wrong with one of the drives (not necessarily a hardware problem, could be a simple OS blip), you could lose all of your data. Furthermore, RAID 0 in no way approaches the speed of a good SSD. RAID 0 is fine for scratch space, but for professional editing, I wouldn't store anything on it long-term without backing it up.

With an SSD, it really depends. Every single memory cell on the drive can be written to about 10,000 times. Anandtech did some napkin math on how long that will last you. (TLDR: for average usage, it should last much longer than the rest of the computer.)

If you're doing professional video & sound editing, I wouldn't use your boot SSD as a scratch drive. However, if you have the money for it, using a separate SSD for a scratch drive might be a fine idea. If you're doing casual/amateur video & sound editing, it's unlikely that you're going to significantly reduce the lifespan of the drive just using it a few times a week.
September 2, 2010 8:47:23 PM

thanks alot everyone. I'm feeling really good about this computer and I'm really excited to build my first pc from scratch.
September 3, 2010 1:42:46 PM

Best answer selected by lumberjackben.
September 3, 2010 3:43:09 PM

The Build I`ve decided to go with.

$329.99 (canada computers best) Intel Core i7 950 Quad Core Processor LGA1366 3.06GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 4.8GT/S

$239.99 (canada computers best) Asus P6X58D-E Socket 1366 Intel X58 + ICH10R Chipset CrossfireX / 3-Way SLI Triple-Channel DDR3 2000(o.c.)/1600/1333/1066Mhz 3x PCI-Express 2.0 x16 Dual GigaLAN 8-CH HD Audio 2x SATA 6Gb/s + 6x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x USB 3.0 ATX

$209.97 (tiger direct best)(X2 optional) Corsair Core i7 Dominator 6GB PC12800 DDR3 RAM - Tri Channel, 1600MHz, 6144MB (3 x 2048MB), DHX
$199.97 after rebate

$434.99 (canada computers best) (optional x2) XFX ATI Radeon HD 5870 Black (HD-587X-ZNFV) ATI Radeon HD 5870 Chipset (850Mhz) 1GB (4800Mhz) DDR5 HDMI/Dual-Link DVI/Display Port PCI-Express 2.1 Graphics Card

$264.99 (tiger direct best deal) OCZ (OCZSSD2-2VTXE90G) Vertex 2 Extended SATA II 2.5" 90GB Solid State Drive, Read: 285MB/s, Write: 275MB/s)))
$243.99 after rebate

$159.99 (before the 8th, weekly special)(NCIX.com best price) Antec Dark Fleet DF-85 Full Tower Gaming Case ATX 12 Drive Bay No PS Top USB3.0 USB Audio
(169.99 canada computers)

$139.99 (canada computers best) Antec CP-850 CP Series 850W Continuous Power Supply
((( or $139.99 Corsair TX Series CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX 12V 60A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 120MM Fan

$89.97 (canada comptuers) Corsair CWCH50-1 Hydro H50 CPU Liquid Cooler
$79.97 after rebate


w/o optionals
b4 rebates
$1870
$2150.50 hst tax

After rebates
- $50


After optionals
b4 rebates
$2515
$2892 HST tax

after rebates
- $60

thanks for the help again everyone.
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