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November 25, 2010 10:00:35 PM

I'll start it off and anyone who cares to contribute anything they find about Sandy Bridge can chime in with their discoveries if they want.

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Sandy-Bridge-Produkt-Infos-zu-Intels-naechster-CPU-Generation-1141655.html

It's in German but the chart is the important thing and it doesn't really need much translation. Not much really exciting news but the dual cores with HT might be good sellers on the low end if "The Price Is Right."

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November 25, 2010 11:11:15 PM

I have seen the exact same chart some where in English, but without the product code I believe, just this week, I'll be danged if i can find it though. I'll post it if I come across it again.

Here it is: http://www.techeye.net/hardware/biostar-shows-off-sandy... , its not a chart(I must have been thinking about the Anandtech Sandybridge Preview article with a similar made chart) and all they have done is listed the s-spec of the CPU's as the Germans have done, and given some details on an upcoming Biostar mothernoard.

Speaking of motherboards here are a few Gigabyte and Asus Sandybridge boards:

http://www.overclockers.com/gigabyte-unveils-p67h67-san...

http://hw-lab.com/asus-lga-1155-motherboard-line-up-pre...
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November 25, 2010 11:17:27 PM

Yeah, what was interesting about the German chart was that HT dual core turbo. Veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery interesting! That could be one heck of a great CPU for a lot of people on a budget.

Nice to see more info on those mobos. Looks like there are going to be a whole whack of really good H67 mobos ready in time for Sandy! :) 
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November 26, 2010 12:57:23 AM

Are you referring to the Core i5-2390T? Thats a power saver chip, with a 3.5GHz turbo! Or the Core i3-2120, I would like to know those turbo numbers they left out on that chip. :)  Unless they don't have a turbo but I highly doubt that.
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November 26, 2010 2:03:54 AM

Yeah, if that 2120 turbos to 3.7 or so, that is one amazing CPU! :) 
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November 26, 2010 11:27:35 PM

Amazing chart with a whole whack of Sandies with prices and release dates (if they're real) on:

http://extensiv.info/index.html

Ten Sandys on Jan 9 with 5 more in Feb. And the 2600K is at $317 here. Just $23 over the plain vanilla 2600! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :bounce: 

The blogger also takes a good stripe out of AMD. Maybe an AMD Exec had an affair with his wife! Yikes! :o 
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November 26, 2010 11:48:34 PM

Just $23 for the ability to overclock the same chip! Something that was free last time around with the Nehalems! Yippee! Let's all celebrate this great victory for consumers!
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November 26, 2010 11:54:33 PM

eyefinity said:
Just $23 for the ability to overclock the same chip! Something that was free last time around with the Nehalems! Yippee! Let's all celebrate this great victory for consumers!


I agree with you that it's pretty stupid to unlock for a few extra bucks, but since some other reports were showing the K models at a much greater premium, it's better this way. I can also see why Intel would offer a non-OCable CPU. Most people don't even know what overclocking is, let alone would ever be interested in doing it. For my rig, when I'm being critically aware of heat (I'm trying to go fanless) I wouldn't buy the K. But it is good for those who want to push the limits. Glad to see that Sandy can do it. :) 
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November 27, 2010 12:46:00 AM

Nice find on those prices halfcalf! :)  , I sure hope those are close to, or are the real thing, because that would be absolutely awesome in my eyes! I was kind of expecting the prices that Anandtech had made an educated guess on back in the middle of September, but these are much better.



I just thought I would throw this in here for the lazies :)  and for quick reference. Too bad no info on the 2011's but that is quite some time away yet. :(  I am liking those power numbers also, always good thing to get them lower.

That guy really does have some un-kind words for AMD, :p 
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November 27, 2010 2:22:13 AM

Yeah, I love those prices. They're absolutely right where they should be to make a real dent in the market. If these are correct, then anyone even remotely considering buying anything right now should have their head examined. The price/performance on these CPUs is awesome.

The guy has an axe to grind with AMD the size of an oil tanker. Personally, I think he's taking it a bit too far. Maybe he was traumatized by a K5 when he was a little kid! :lol: 
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November 27, 2010 2:34:29 AM

Yeah, those prices look to be at a good spot to me, I wonder what the current gen. prices will do?

I have been beating myself up all month for not going ahead with a planned 1366 build and not using the 10% off mobo deal Newegg.com had at the beginning of the month, but this makes me feel better.

Yeah, that guy really takes it to far to the point its funny :lol:  He must have been traumatized by something, maybe he was held to much, or lost a ton of money when his AMD stock crashed :)  I am surprised someone would publish that rant even.
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November 27, 2010 2:46:01 AM

I can't see Intel holding current pricing on the Core iX series. They are going to have to come in line with these so that could mean around a 40% decrease across the board, the way I figure it. It's a great time to be in the market for a system... whether you're in the market for a Nehalem/Westmere or a Sandy!

Dude probably bought AMD at $30+ and sold at $1.65 so he's kicking himself. Although he's way off base about Bulldozer's performance as there are really no specs to make a determination as to whether it really will be a good performer, you have to admit that he does have a point about Riuz and Barcelona. That was a huge fiasco. :) 
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November 27, 2010 3:01:04 AM

Yeah, I like Intel and I will probably keep on using there CPU's, but at the same time I don't wish for their only CPU competitor to fall on hard times or even fall to far behind, because then we lose all the great things like the tic-tok upgrade cycle and these fairly reasonable prices, were are enjoying on both sides.

Anyone should be able to figure out a little competition never hurt anyone. Heck... that saying is older than dirt and its still true to this day.
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November 27, 2010 3:07:44 AM

When it looked like AMD was teetering on the edge a couple of years back I remember reading an article about a post-AMD world where Intel dual core 2.5 GHz CPUs would sell for $2,000. You have to have some competition to keep everything fair and on an even keel, although even the mightiest monopolies sooner or later crumble. Who would have thought five years ago that Microsoft would be on the edge of irrelevance in 2010? So even though I'm not overly inclined to go back to AMD if these Sandy prices are correct (I was an AMDite for many years until they lost their edge), I certainly don't wish an Intel monopoly now or ever!
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November 27, 2010 3:27:25 AM

Yeah, it would not be a world I would want to live in, but I would hope the govt. would allow them to fail, heck they saved banks and all they do is take people money from them! And they have been in Microsoft's and Intel's business a lot over anti-competitive practices in the past.
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November 27, 2010 3:35:03 AM

Pleeeeeeeeeeez don't get me started on that bailout disaster. Americans will be paying for that stupidity for decades. Up here in Canada our banks have been criticized since WWII for being too tight with credit and qualifications but it was those very conservative banking policies that allowed us to squeak through without a noticeable real estate crisis, unlike the USA where anyone who could fog a mirror would qualify for a $0 down half a million dollar mortgage, and the whole bubble popped.

Anti-trust is a great tool but it is not used anywhere near enough. Three letters: N-F-L come to mind. But there are many others. I'm far more worried about Google as an unstoppable monopoly than I am about Intel or Microsoft. Google is stealthily taking over the known universe, and it seems that nobody really cares. That's strange!

Anyway, all good wishes possible to AMD and although I'm 99.9% sure now that I'm going to buy a Sandy on Jan. 10, I hope that AMD can get back in the game with Bulldozer.
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November 27, 2010 4:39:35 AM

halfcalf said:
Pleeeeeeeeeeez don't get me started on that bailout disaster. Americans will be paying for that stupidity for decades. Up here in Canada our banks have been criticized since WWII for being too tight with credit and qualifications but it was those very conservative banking policies that allowed us to squeak through without a noticeable real estate crisis, unlike the USA where anyone who could fog a mirror would qualify for a $0 down half a million dollar mortgage, and the whole bubble popped.

That makes me want to rant, but I will restrain myself. Otherwise, I'm just going to rant on and on about it. :kaola: 

Here's a translated site that has news on SB and BD and even Cayman:
http://en.inpai.com.cn/

I don't know how much of the Sandy Bridge article is true, but it seems to show only a small increase in many applications, ~6%.
The clocks look like they will be increased a good amount though, so it could still end up being a great speed increase once overclocked even if this is true.
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November 27, 2010 3:16:56 PM

halfcalf said:
Yeah, I love those prices. They're absolutely right where they should be to make a real dent in the market. If these are correct, then anyone even remotely considering buying anything right now should have their head examined. The price/performance on these CPUs is awesome.

The guy has an axe to grind with AMD the size of an oil tanker. Personally, I think he's taking it a bit too far. Maybe he was traumatized by a K5 when he was a little kid! :lol: 


Yep - if it turns out true, that 2600K price is a real eye-opener. Anandtech "guessed" that it would be in the $500 range. I just hope the "S" or low-power mobile versions are out soon as I need a new lappy.

As for the website author, I think a lot of these guys are just angling for hits for their advertisers. All that hyperbole and rhetoric isn't doing anything for me personally, except make me think he's fulla used food items :p . I haven't seen any benchies on Bulldozer yet, and it's supposed to be a leap forward. I'd like to see this guy's sources, if any..
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November 27, 2010 6:10:18 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
As for the website author, I think a lot of these guys are just angling for hits for their advertisers. All that hyperbole and rhetoric isn't doing anything for me personally, except make me think he's fulla used food items :p . I haven't seen any benchies on Bulldozer yet, and it's supposed to be a leap forward. I'd like to see this guy's sources, if any..

If Bulldozer isn't a good 20% increase in performance, it's most likely dead in the water anyway, and we haven't heard anything from AMD whether or not it's that big or bigger. Seems like AMD would want to say if they had a golden processor, and Intel seems afraid of whether or not it is going to be a good one; maybe Intel is just being nice and not charging us an arm and a leg for their midrange? :whistle: 
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November 27, 2010 6:10:32 PM

halfcalf said:
Yeah, I love those prices. They're absolutely right where they should be to make a real dent in the market. If these are correct, then anyone even remotely considering buying anything right now should have their head examined. The price/performance on these CPUs is awesome.

The guy has an axe to grind with AMD the size of an oil tanker. Personally, I think he's taking it a bit too far. Maybe he was traumatized by a K5 when he was a little kid! :lol: 



Those prices look just great if you live in the "New World" but us "Old World" inhabitants, especially those of us who live on an island known fondly as "Treasure Island" by the financial sharks, will most probably be paying a premium on top of that price. Then of course, we have our 17.5% VAT to add onto that price (dont laff Yanks coz it`ll be coming to a city near you real soon) which can be a real screamer when its added onto a big shopping list. For Instance: on New Egg an i7 950 $280 which translates to £179.60 but at our on-line hardware store the same chip is £239.33 translated to $373 so you see its not quite gloatsville central for all of us.

As for the guys diatribe i dont give much credence to totally bias drivel thats based on opinionated assertion rather than solid facts; besides, even if AMD dont take the desktop performance crown their market ppl will continue to target their sweet spot policy at various points on the scale and do the best they can with what they have to work with and there is always something an AMD chip can do better than an Intel chip; im scratching my head here at the minute..... floating point something or other.....perhaps someone else more informed about these things could help.

Me ? I`ll be selling & saving from now until March til i can grab me one of them Sandies mmmmmmmhh! :D rool:
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November 27, 2010 9:27:57 PM

Stiffex said:
Those prices look just great if you live in the "New World" but us "Old World" inhabitants, especially those of us who live on an island known fondly as "Treasure Island" by the financial sharks, will most probably be paying a premium on top of that price. Then of course, we have our 17.5% VAT to add onto that price (dont laff Yanks coz it`ll be coming to a city near you real soon) which can be a real screamer when its added onto a big shopping list. For Instance: on New Egg an i7 950 $280 which translates to £179.60 but at our on-line hardware store the same chip is £239.33 translated to $373 so you see its not quite gloatsville central for all of us.

As for the guys diatribe i dont give much credence to totally bias drivel thats based on opinionated assertion rather than solid facts; besides, even if AMD dont take the desktop performance crown their market ppl will continue to target their sweet spot policy at various points on the scale and do the best they can with what they have to work with and there is always something an AMD chip can do better than an Intel chip; im scratching my head here at the minute..... floating point something or other.....perhaps someone else more informed about these things could help.

Wow I hope that those taxes at least get used for something useful over there; they'd be wasted over here in America in no time.

Talking about Floating Point Units/FPU or Floating Points? Floating points are just numbers with decimals at the end like 3.14159168, basically anything that isn't an integer. The FPUs calculate these floating points, and Intel has a very strong FPU compared to AMD right now; Folding@Home stresses the FPU quite a bit, and Intel pushes out nearly twice the Points per day(doesn't mean it's twice as powerful due to multipliers for turning Work units in faster).
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November 28, 2010 5:23:20 PM

Haserath said:
If Bulldozer isn't a good 20% increase in performance, it's most likely dead in the water anyway, and we haven't heard anything from AMD whether or not it's that big or bigger. Seems like AMD would want to say if they had a golden processor, and Intel seems afraid of whether or not it is going to be a good one; maybe Intel is just being nice and not charging us an arm and a leg for their midrange? :whistle: 


I dunno - I'm hoping BD is a great leap forward as AMD seems to be making a lot of changes according to the Realworldtech preview. Whether the '80% throughput of 2 full cores' hyperthreading will make much difference to gamers, remains to be seen but it should have some excellent multithreaded scores in rendering, compression and encoding I'd think.

Ever since the Barcelona public relations disaster AMD has been pretty closed-mouth about up & coming CPU performance. Still, with the desktop version of BD supposed to be less than 6 months away, you'd think we would see some leaks here & there. Maybe AMD is sending out their engineering samples with armed escorts, ready to shoot the first leaker :p ..
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November 29, 2010 2:25:24 PM

Haserath said:
That makes me want to rant, but I will restrain myself. Otherwise, I'm just going to rant on and on about it. :kaola: 


No, don't rant. Take a Valium, think happy thoughts, sing Xmas carols... you'll feel better soon! :pt1cable: 

fazers_on_stun said:
As for the website author, I think a lot of these guys are just angling for hits for their advertisers. All that hyperbole and rhetoric isn't doing anything for me personally, except make me think he's fulla used food items :p . I haven't seen any benchies on Bulldozer yet, and it's supposed to be a leap forward. I'd like to see this guy's sources, if any..


I think he has all the sources he needs inside his noggin. Maybe he'll want to take a sword to some AMD exec's head because the voices said they're the devil, even without a role on "Ugly Betty." :ouch: 

Haserath said:
If Bulldozer isn't a good 20% increase in performance, it's most likely dead in the water anyway, and we haven't heard anything from AMD whether or not it's that big or bigger. Seems like AMD would want to say if they had a golden processor, and Intel seems afraid of whether or not it is going to be a good one; maybe Intel is just being nice and not charging us an arm and a leg for their midrange? :whistle: 


I know that jf-amd has been explaining that it's company policy, etc. but I agree with you that AMD has to tease the enthusiasts with a few crumbs soon or Bulldozer will just get lost in the Sandy avalanche.

fazers_on_stun said:
Ever since the Barcelona public relations disaster AMD has been pretty closed-mouth about up & coming CPU performance.


That blogger might be an a-hole, but I think he really nailed that fiasco with:

"Then AMD CEO Dr. Ruiz took an ill-advised vacation to Barcelona and the company choked worse than after eating mussel tapas with Vibrio cholerae sauce." :lol: 
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November 29, 2010 5:27:32 PM

halfcalf said:
Who would have thought five years ago that Microsoft would be on the edge of irrelevance in 2010?

Nobody would, because it's bogus.
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November 29, 2010 9:19:28 PM

Been under a rock lately?

Kin

Zune

Playforsure

UMPC

Vista

Bing is not far behind...

However, you're entitled to your opinion, as ersatz as it is. :pt1cable: 
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November 29, 2010 9:36:14 PM

halfcalf said:
Who would have thought five years ago that Microsoft would be on the edge of irrelevance in 2010?

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Nobody would, because it's bogus.

I might have believed 2012, but that is only due to some calendar from some extinct civilization that may or may not have predicted the exact date the Earth would be struck by a gigantic meteor. Only a slight chance of that happening. :sol: 
Quote:
That blogger might be an a-hole, but I think he really nailed that fiasco with:

"Then AMD CEO Dr. Ruiz took an ill-advised vacation to Barcelona and the company choked worse than after eating mussel tapas with Vibrio cholerae sauce." :lol: 

Well, AMD really hasn't been competitive for the last few years, he does have a point. Everyone thinks AMD will magically come back with their next CPU, but that hasn't happened yet and may not happen with Bulldozer. I must say that the Branch predictor sounds like it will be good compared to today's processors if I understood what they had said about it correctly. :na: 
Bulldozer really needs a "Hyperthreading" of their own, since Intel's unrefined version(first version since the P4 so there must be more ways to make it better, maybe less cache thrasing?) increases the processing power by 20% in highly threaded situations.
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November 29, 2010 9:41:10 PM

halfcalf said:
Been under a rock lately?

Kin

Zune

Playforsure

UMPC

Vista

Bing is not far behind...

However, you're entitled to your opinion, as ersatz as it is. :pt1cable: 

Sorry, Windows 7 is outselling every other OS to this day. Irrelevance? I don't think so. :p 

Bing isn't doing too bad either, once they get Yahoo won't that be ~40% of the "decision engine" market. :kaola: 
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No, don't rant. Take a Valium, think happy thoughts, sing Xmas carols... you'll feel better soon! :pt1cable: 

Ok
Valium- Check
Happy thoughts- Check
Xmas Carols- Are you mad?!
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November 29, 2010 9:43:34 PM

Haserath said:
I might have believed 2012, but that is only due to some calendar from some extinct civilization that may or may not have predicted the exact date the Earth would be struck by a gigantic meteor. Only a slight chance of that happening. :sol: 


What? You're kiddin' me. And I have already sent out invitations for a 24 hour End Of The World party on Dec. 20, 2012! :pt1cable: 

Haserath said:
Well, AMD really hasn't been competitive for the last few years, he does have a point. Everyone thinks AMD will magically come back with their next CPU, but that hasn't happened yet and may not happen with Bulldozer. I must say that the Branch predictor sounds like it will be good compared to today's processors if I understood what they had said about it correctly. :na: 
Bulldozer really needs a "Hyperthreading" of their own, since Intel's unrefined version(first version since the P4 so there must be more ways to make it better, maybe less cache thrasing?) increases the processing power by 20% in highly threaded situations.


My eyes have been rolling back in my head trying to figure out what Bulldozer is supposed to or not to do. My belief has always been: In Benchmarks We Trust. When independent and unbiased trade press members are able to run Sandy and Bulldozer through their paces, that will be the performance level that you and I will be able to buy. Until then, it's all mostly speculation, unfortunately.
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November 29, 2010 9:46:32 PM

P.S. Win 7 is great but it's going to take a lot to wipe the bad Vista taste out of the mouths of millions of people. Bing is a mere shadow to Google and likely will remain so. Microsoft has rolled over on any significant presence in the tablet market, social networking, phones (Win7 phone "withstanding" and darn near the entire internet. And if they think that moving Office to the cloud is going to convince companies to keep their sensitive data "somewhere out there" Ballmer has been smoking something that's illegal where I live. :) 
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November 29, 2010 10:30:46 PM

halfcalf said:
P.S. Win 7 is great but it's going to take a lot to wipe the bad Vista taste out of the mouths of millions of people. Bing is a mere shadow to Google and likely will remain so. Microsoft has rolled over on any significant presence in the tablet market, social networking, phones (Win7 phone "withstanding" and darn near the entire internet. And if they think that moving Office to the cloud is going to convince companies to keep their sensitive data "somewhere out there" Ballmer has been smoking something that's illegal where I live. :) 

Yea, Microsoft has come out with their products second in most of those situations. They never innovate with the product either, which is what they need to get a good user base.
Windows Phone 7 looks like they tried something new; I don't like the look of it, but I haven't tried it so maybe I would like the OS on the phone.
The only reason Windows 7 is "Amazing" is because we had to compare it to other crappy OS's from M$( I want less Bloat!). It is apparently wiping that extremely bad Vista taste out of their mouths, since it's selling like hotcakes; though, that could be due to the US market somewhat recovering from this recession, since people probably think they won't lose their jobs after it has stabalized.
Windows 7 is good, but it would be nice to move away from file sharing. I don't even use my 320GB and 160GB hard drives halfway, but I know I'm conservative on the GB usage.
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November 29, 2010 10:49:37 PM

halfcalf said:
Been under a rock lately?

Kin

Agreed

halfcalf said:

Zune

I personally think the Zune HD is one of the best media players on the market, but all the other ones suck, true (and the HD isn't selling all that well despite its awesomeness)

halfcalf said:

Playforsure

???

halfcalf said:

UMPC

Agreed


halfcalf said:
Vista

Not great, but didn't deserve all the bad press. Also outsold Apple pretty solidly while it was their main OS, so I wouldn't call it irrelevant

halfcalf said:

Bing is not far behind...

Bing's marketshare is growing, IIRC, though I can't for the life of me figure out why. Google is much better.

halfcalf said:

However, you're entitled to your opinion, as ersatz as it is. :pt1cable: 

I notice a conspicuous lack of Win7 in your list, which is only the most popular operating system on the market. Any company that makes the most popular OS on the market is pretty much by definition not on the edge of irrelevance. Also, Win Phone 7 looks pretty nice, though it won't sell as well as the iPhone simply because MS doesn't have a bunch of addicts willing to buy everything they make.
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November 30, 2010 10:20:19 AM

First of all... what are these "Special Accelerators" in Sandy?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20024079-64.html

Haserath: Win 7 reminds me of a rat catcher from India who moves to the big city and starts eating out of dumpsters. He'd been used to eating the rats he caught so when he started finding normal food in garbage he thought it was wonderful. Win 7 still sucks massively, (don't believe me... create a folder with 50,000 files of 100 KB each and copy them to another internal HD and it will take you an hour) but it's such an improvement over Vista that everyone sings its praises.

cjl: Microsoft has a reality distortion field of its own. Playsforsure (which no one remembers) was a highly touted certification to play media across platforms, but even the freakin' Zune doesn't work with it!

Microsoft has lost more than $6 billion in misbegotten online ventures that were doomed from Day One.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/microsofts-lost-eight-yea...

They're so incredibly stupid that they paid $2.85 million per employee when they bought aQuantive.

http://gigaom.com/2007/05/20/did-microsoft-go-lose-it-h...

... and they made... what... about twenty bucks off of it?

Ballmer is the single stupidest, most moronic, most infantile, most braindead bozo to ever venture into a boardroom. I have spoken! :lol: 
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November 30, 2010 1:37:55 PM

WHOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Thank Gawd... somebody at Intel finally did something right when switching sockets around like I switch my socks.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=27742

"Due to the spacing of the mounting holes being identical on LGA1155 and LGA1156, Noctua's NM-I3 SecuFirm2™ mounting kit for LGA1156 also supports Intel's upcoming 'Sandy Bridge' platform."

And Noctua's actually going a step further and offering the bracket to any current Noctua owner for free. But the important part is that Intel didn't screw around with the hole mounts on the mobos. So anything that fits the older mobos will fit the new ones! Yippee! :bounce: 
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November 30, 2010 2:18:33 PM

"At a Wells Fargo Securities conference earlier this month, an Intel vice president confirmed that Sandy Bridge will have special media acceleration capabilities, in addition to the oft-touted boost in graphics performance.

The Sandy Bridge processor--to be announced January 5--will pack media acceleration circuitry, Stephen L. Smith, vice president and director of PC Client operations and enabling at Intel, confirmed at a Wells Fargo Technology, Media, and Telecom Conference held on November 9-10. CNET reported this capability earlier. Part of the conference--when Smith was speaking--was captured on an audio stream."
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/news.php?newsid=1893
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November 30, 2010 2:24:52 PM

Yeah the matching mounting holes is a good thing :)  Sounds like Martha Stewrt :lol:  . But... I read about that somewhere back in June( http://vr-zone.com/articles/lga1155-vs-lga1156--sockets... ) that the holes would match. I if am correct it was more of the Mobo designers decision as the 1156 and 1155 are almost if not identical in size.

That is also really nice of Noctua, I sure hope other high end CPU coolers get the same treatment, say maybe my Prolimatech Megahalems, c'mon guys dont make me wish I had gone with the Noctua NH-D14 or similar.
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November 30, 2010 2:50:42 PM

vindictive: Yeah, that's the same quote to the link I posted a couple of posts earlier.

thechief73: I have absolutely no interest in anything that has to do with mounting Martha Stewart's holes. :pt1cable: 

You'd figure that one lousy little additional pin wouldn't push out a motherboard mounting, but you know what they say about what happens when you assume! :lol: 

Noctua's policy rocks. It's definitely an example the industry should follow.
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November 30, 2010 3:07:31 PM

halfcalf said:
thechief73: I have absolutely no interest in anything that has to do with mounting Martha Stewart's holes. :pt1cable: 

Ya know what? I thought it was kinda funny until you said that. I never read it or thought about it in that manner until you wrote that :pfff:  , now its just dirty, really dirty. I think I may have to edit it now. ;) 
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November 30, 2010 3:28:23 PM

I'm trying really hard to get that mental picture out of my head... :( 
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November 30, 2010 5:49:23 PM

halfcalf said:

Haserath: Win 7 reminds me of a rat catcher from India who moves to the big city and starts eating out of dumpsters. He'd been used to eating the rats he caught so when he started finding normal food in garbage he thought it was wonderful. Win 7 still sucks massively, (don't believe me... create a folder with 50,000 files of 100 KB each and copy them to another internal HD and it will take you an hour) but it's such an improvement over Vista that everyone sings its praises.

Try that on Win XP - it'll take just as long. If you want it to go faster, learn how to use the command line. Xcopy or robocopy will run MUCH faster because they bypass much of the cause of the delay when copying many small files.

Win7 isn't just an improvement over Vista, it's also an improvement over every other OS on the market.
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November 30, 2010 9:54:48 PM

Maybe 2011 will allow the 1366 users to mount their heatsinks? :D  Maybe they'll have higher pin density, because 2011 will be a huge socket if they just add on to 1366. One can only dream.
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And Noctua's actually going a step further and offering the bracket to any current Noctua owner for free. But the important part is that Intel didn't screw around with the hole mounts on the mobos. So anything that fits the older mobos will fit the new ones! Yippee! :bounce: 

Glad to see a company actually doing the right thing for once. The right thing doesn't earn them money until after Sandy Bridge, but getting a loyal consumer base is a good thing. :kaola: 
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thechief73: I have absolutely no interest in anything that has to do with mounting Martha Stewart's holes. :pt1cable: 

Thank you for destroying any of the innocence left in me, now I will be scarred for the rest of my life with that mental picture. :'( 
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December 2, 2010 12:36:37 PM

cjl said:
Try that on Win XP - it'll take just as long. If you want it to go faster, learn how to use the command line. Xcopy or robocopy will run MUCH faster because they bypass much of the cause of the delay when copying many small files.


I do admit that the file copying was slower in Vista but it's not that much better in 7. You would think that in the 2nd decade of the 21st century Microsoft's most advanced OS wouldn't require command line interface to copy over a bunch of files. That's really silly. I wish I had a Mac to see how OS-X handles the same task.

Haserath: I have been having nightmares about Martha gittin nikked and repeating "It's a good thing..." :pt1cable: 
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December 2, 2010 2:17:15 PM

Haserath said:

Well, AMD really hasn't been competitive for the last few years, he does have a point. Everyone thinks AMD will magically come back with their next CPU, but that hasn't happened yet and may not happen with Bulldozer. I must say that the Branch predictor sounds like it will be good compared to today's processors if I understood what they had said about it correctly. :na: 
Bulldozer really needs a "Hyperthreading" of their own, since Intel's unrefined version(first version since the P4 so there must be more ways to make it better, maybe less cache thrasing?) increases the processing power by 20% in highly threaded situations.


As long as AMD stays alive, then I think we're OK in terms of keeping Intel "in check"

While it would be great if AMD could somehow leapfrog Intel for a bit, which would force Intel to speed up the launches of better and better tech faster, at a minimum we just need AMD to keep being a "value provider".

Remember that most people hardly need the power of even an Athlon X4 today, let alone an i7 950 or certainly not a 980x. So if AMD is serving an option in the sub $100 market that works for lots of people, it forces Intel to maintain rational pricing, and we won't get the "$2,000 for a midstream CPU" nightmare that someone referenced in a different thread if AMD were to go away.
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December 2, 2010 2:43:55 PM

I have no prob with AMD becoming nothing but a value provider but then, what is Bulldozer? That's "supposed" to be a Sandy Killer! Whether or not it is, won't be clear until the benchies come out on it and that might not be until Fall '11!
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December 2, 2010 2:57:51 PM

Yeah like I said it would be great if it WAS a Sandy killer (temporarily I'm sure).......but I don't think its a necessity.

I'm just gonna go with 1155 Sandy myself and not wait for BD - with AMD's track record and resources I'm not gonna pin my hopes on that one.
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December 2, 2010 3:01:15 PM

I'm 99% sure going with Sandy right on Jan. 10 BUT I am going to hold on and wait for some benchies on shipping CPUs. I'm evaluating the difference between more RAM and Sandy's advantages, as the first sockets will all be LGA1155 and they're limited to dual channel 4 RAM slots. I'm not an AMD hater (had lots of AMD CPUs back in the day), and I'd be more than happy to consider Bulldozer. However, I'm buying in early Jan. and I can't delay that purchase at all. No choice!
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December 2, 2010 3:06:48 PM

Yeah but by the time BD comes there will be LGA2011 SandyBridge which will prob be 6 or 8 cores. Don't we think that will equal or exceed Bulldozer?

Also we will then be in the "Should I wait for IvyBridge in 2012" mode......

I'm gonna buy a 2500k or 2600k then stop reading these boards for at least 2 years ;)  so I can enjoy my new toy without regret!
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December 2, 2010 3:06:53 PM

By the time Bulldozer comes out, Sandy should be running LGA2011 quad channel beasts. I would be very happy if AMD was able to outperform those systems, but I have to say that from everything I've read so far, it's quite unlikely (at least with currently shipping mainstream software).
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December 2, 2010 3:20:22 PM

Yeah, but I'm not even looking as far ahead as the 22nm Ivy. I'm analyzing the performance of the Sandy Bridge LGA2011 due out Fall '11 vs. Bulldozer out at about the same time. In the absence of any real benchies so far, all we can do is speculate unfortunately.
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December 2, 2010 3:29:17 PM

In the low end AMD is quite competitive. But right now at least they don't have squat in the high end. :( 
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December 2, 2010 3:29:42 PM

hogan773 said:
As long as AMD stays alive, then I think we're OK in terms of keeping Intel "in check"

While it would be great if AMD could somehow leapfrog Intel for a bit, which would force Intel to speed up the launches of better and better tech faster, at a minimum we just need AMD to keep being a "value provider".

Remember that most people hardly need the power of even an Athlon X4 today, let alone an i7 950 or certainly not a 980x. So if AMD is serving an option in the sub $100 market that works for lots of people, it forces Intel to maintain rational pricing, and we won't get the "$2,000 for a midstream CPU" nightmare that someone referenced in a different thread if AMD were to go away.


Honestly I don't think that would ever happen, Intel became a monopoly in fact instead of de facto. Intel's sales would plummet off the charts as most ordinary folks decided they could do without a new laptop or desktop, or else they would turn to non-x86 solutions like what ARM is apparently planning - moving up to laptops and desktops. And even IBM positioning PowerPC into the mass consumer space.

Intel didn't get to where they are now by being stupid with marketing :p .
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