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July 29, 2010 9:42:36 PM

I need the best bang for my buck and don't know what i should do...
I have the option of doing SLI, or should i stick with one gpu? I want to play FF XIV, with max setting on high and low res. This is what im thinking about getting so far...

AMD mobo
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition plan on OC to 3.6ghz
2x2gb G. Skill Memory 1600 mhz
Windows 7 64bit

I am trying to keep everything under $900

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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 9:48:37 PM

If you aren't going to SLI you should get a board with an AMD chipset instead of Nvidia, preferably an 8xx cipset with 6g/s SATA and USB3.0.
For $300 your best options are either the HD5850 or GTX 470. Both are decent deals at stock and can OC a very large amount. What is your monitor's native resolution?
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July 29, 2010 9:50:18 PM

Well I want to play on my 720p HDTV and a 1080p monitor
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 9:56:26 PM

For 1080p the cards I mentioned are good choices. Have you considered an i5 system? On your budget I believe it should be doable.
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July 29, 2010 10:01:00 PM

whats wrong with the AMD CPU? with all the stuff i mention plus a psu and case I am at around $840

I all ready have optical and hard drives
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 10:17:47 PM

There's nothing wrong with the AMD CPU it's just that an i5 is better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
i5-750, good crossfire motherboard with SATA/USB 3, same ram your picked out, HD5850 with voltage control, fine PSU for the system, nice case & Win7 64
Total = $904 shipped before the $35 in rebates.
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a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 10:57:28 PM

There is nothing wrong with the AMD system, its a better value for the money since you wont notice any real world difference with the i5 750. Get the GTX 470, it can be had for $300 and it is damn fast.
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a b U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 11:09:14 PM
a c 376 U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 11:16:08 PM

In what way is that faster? The processor is significantly slower and the motherboard uses older standards for SATA and USB. I suppose the GTX 470 is a bit faster but not by much and it uses a lot more power/gives off a lot more heat.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 29, 2010 11:19:43 PM

oooen1gmaooo said:
new build
HD 5850
i5 CPU quad core
6 gbs 2x2gb 1600mhz and 2x1gb 160mhz g skill memory
Mobo
Windows 7
PSU 500w
and case
all for $916

That HD5850 doesn't allow for voltage control which means you wont be able to get the best overclock. The motherboard I linked is significantly better in a variety of ways and the PSU is better as well. As AMW said you don't need more than 4 gb of ram and it's certainly not worth downgrading a bunch of components to fit it into your budget.
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July 29, 2010 11:40:52 PM

all the reviews on the the GPU you stated above say not to change the voltage. are they jus stupid and did not no what they were doing or is that a valid concern???
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 12:54:19 AM

jyjjy said:
In what way is that faster? The processor is significantly slower and the motherboard uses older standards for SATA and USB. I suppose the GTX 470 is a bit faster but not by much and it uses a lot more power/gives off a lot more heat.


How is the processor significantly slower? He said he was overclocking, so starting at a lower clock speed won't hurt him. The 945 will hit 3.6 GHz without breaking a sweat, and at that clock speed it is more than fast enough for games. The GTX 470 is 10-15% faster than the 5850, can overclock as high while gaining more per clock, and is another 10-20% faster with tessellation. Also, if he decides to upgrade later, adding another GTX 470 will almost double his performance because of the great scaling of SLI, which scales on average 15-20% better than crossfire. Yes the GTX 470 will output more heat and will require more power, but it is also much faster for the same price, so that isn't all that important. If the OP is really worried about it he can get this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Zotac AMP edition runs as cool, if not cooler, than a 5850.
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a b U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 12:55:15 AM

oooen1gmaooo said:
all the reviews on the the GPU you stated above say not to change the voltage. are they jus stupid and did not no what they were doing or is that a valid concern???


Your right, the MSI 5850 Twin Frozr has problems with voltage tweaking.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 8:28:49 AM

AMW1011 said:
How is the processor significantly slower? He said he was overclocking, so starting at a lower clock speed won't hurt him. The 945 will hit 3.6 GHz without breaking a sweat, and at that clock speed it is more than fast enough for games.

I'm not talking about vs the 955. You are right about that; the difference there is largely meaningless in the context of overclocking. The system I layed out as well as the one he presented afterward both used an i5 processor. By any reasonable standard it is significantly better than a Phenom II x4;
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/109?vs=80
That chart just compares them at stock but when overclocking is taken into account the difference actually grows much larger. It can OC just as well(better actually) while starting at a much lower speed. Put the 945 up to 3.6ghz and that is a 20% boost. Put the i5 up to 3.6ghz and it is a 35% increase. That doesn't even cover the actual performance difference from the OC as the i5 is much better per clock cycle.
So that leaves only the GTX 470 vs HD5850. The extra 10% or so performance is certainly nice but whether it is worth the extra money/power/heat/noise is largely a personal judgment call. If you need to downgrade the processor and chipset in order to fit it into the budget and allow for SLI in the future then it isn't the best choice imo.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
July 30, 2010 8:31:08 AM

oooen1gmaooo said:
all the reviews on the the GPU you stated above say not to change the voltage. are they jus stupid and did not no what they were doing or is that a valid concern???

It was a valid concern but the problem was apparently with past versions of the MSI Afterburner software. On the latest version there is no such issue so those reviews are outdated.
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