[Solved] Ati finally shipping more GPU's than Nvidia.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/g [...] M_comments How many ppl actually saw this coming about 9 months ago when ATi released their 5870 and 5850's? I for one did! Am Im actually happy about this. Although Nvidia has got me on their ION gpu on netbooks....

Now that the GTX 460 is out though..... I could see the tide turning back the other way very quickly. The new 460 is just a stellar performer for it's price point. I can see folks adopting it very quickly.

Time will tell.

We want it to swing back and forth of course. With ATI talking about their 6xxx series sometime in the not so far off future, it should be a fun ride.

Fermi Was Delayed maybe due to ATi Showing off their DX11 Chip a little bit too early! When you release a chip you need to ahve something with comparable benchmarks! Fermi Is a Good Chip DX10.1 with Cuda. it also depends on the Software Programmers who they are going to code for, these are complex API's plus you can tell with the Limited DX11 software on the market. The Games that define the Standard For an API are Doom Series F.e.a.r. series, Dungeon siege series in the Gaming Industry those are the 3 I consider to push the cards to it max limits! As long as your Card can run those games everyone is Happy! Anyways market Share is 51% 49% which is the same difference between Ati and Nvidia!

The GTX460 is way overrated IMO. I just don't get why everyone think its so amazing besides the fact its the first competitive DX11 Nvidia card. Are expectations for Nvidia this low?

Its a good value for the price, but looking at the numbers, it is just 5-10% better than the HD5830, while consuming more power while being released 6-months later. Amazing SLI performance aside, its not THAT impressive.

VIA really has no marketshare nowadays and I doubt Nvidia will want to buy them out. The Nano hasnt been updated since last year, and the performance is only on par with atoms. Their chipset business is dwindling and soon becoming irrelevant as AMD starts integrating NBs into CPUs and even their little presence they had in the UMPC/MID market is being encroached by Ontario, Moorestown and ARM. Having no real patents besides the little they acquired from Cyrix and S3, the only thing they have is the 10-year licensing deal for 3 Centaur patents with Intel that expires in 2013.

Back to Nvidia, the GTX460 is competitive no denying that, it is just over-hyped. In many peoples minds that the HD5830 suddenly became "irrelevant" and you can OC a GTX460 to "exceed the performance of a HD5850" , forgetting that the HD5850 OCs just as well if not better and flats out beats the GTX460 at stock and consumes less power for only $50 more. Hmm..

Yeah, the 5850 hands down is o ne of the best gpus to come out in the short history of gpus for price per preformance, its like the legendary 8800gtx in terms of how long and how popular this chip laster up until its gts250 reincarnation 4 years later.

Actually I think you're missing the cause. This has little to do with the HD58xx directly it's the HD57xx,56xx,55xx...... that are involved in a shift in GPU share. Once ATi brought out the Juniper and Redwood chips out so quickly afterwards and nV still doesn't have a comparable chip (the GTX 460 competes with the crippled Cyrpesses) that's what made the big shift.

Meh, it held alot of promise but even that is starting to wane now that the momentum has stalled. Intel's purchase of Infineon and their and AMD's move towards SOC solutions is looking a little more promising unless ION3 provides something sweet.

Price is an artifice of supply and demand, not an indicator of the quality of a chip. The HD5870 destroys the GTX460, and it's smaller, and cheaper to make. That people are still willing to pay more for it and AMD can demand more for it is a function of the marketplace.

I agree the HD5830 is a dog at its price, but it's hardly a behemoth when it's smaller than the competition.

Sure we did, we had two: the HD4870/4890 and the HD5770, now we have a better one, and in a few more months we're likely to have an even better one... and then a better one...

Do you Realize Sierra Monolith makes those games like Half Life, where you get to play as a scientist, Gordon Moore, and ID is John Carmack, they are the pioneer's of the industry. They are the one's responsible for forcing the gaming industry to update to new high end gear if you want to enjoy hi-end gaming!

Raining on their parade already?

Well if your not impressed by the 5830 series the 5770XT has good performance for the price and looks very compact, and efficient! ATI has released this product a while ago 7-8months being the 1st DX11 chip on the market! Another refresh of their DX11 architecture and they have it perfected at it's best. R&D costs alot of money when you release a chip, with it being DX11 it doesn't depreciate as quickly, the price gets maybe more economical with a die shrink and a second revision, after getting used to the new DX11 architecure!

Are you posting from 2004? Cause your influencers are old.

Carmack may have something with RAGE which is now owned by Bethesda, but all of the games you've listed do nothing to push current hardware. Mark Rein and Epic with UE3 do more to push today's hardware, and even they aren't pushing them to the max because it's no longer modern enough an engine to max out the capabilities of the hardware.

"ATI Commands Markets of High-End, Mainstream Graphics Cards - Research."
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video [...] earch.html

Kinds makes you want to say do you know who your starting commander is?Like the Dude in the Prototype Trailer! The Answer is noneother than your GPU!

Unreal is a good series too I'm a Fan of the Single Player! That artwork reminds me of Soviet-Klingon era Games! Bethesda has that Alex Denton guy for Firepower support and R&D so thats a plus! All You Need is Gas Powered Games in the Mix with Dungeon Siege 3!

There is no die shrink coming from ATI, just some vague promises.

Of course there is no die shrink, IT'S A DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE ON THE SAME FAB PROCESS.

nV is relying on some future magical change in fab to help their situation, not ATi.

You can say that SI or even NI is some vague promise as it/they are definitely not well defined, but that's pretty damn funny coming from a Fermi FUD booster like yourself.

On a side note, is there even a process to shrink down to?

32nm Bulk is canceled with both Glofo and TSMC, and I doubt AMD/Nvidia want to risk it with SoC.

You mean the Red Kool Aids Dude that jumps into the courtroom for a surprise attack commercial from Family Guy!

Is the Green One more energy saving, and the Red One more explosive in court! Anyways it makes a Merry Xmas

They also have the Austin Powers Movie Feel & Look, Dr. Evil + Mini-Me Dr. Evil in size proportion

Well first of all, I aurrently am riding on the ATi 5850 high and its a blast. I do agree that since the 5830 is a crippled Cypress (5870), it shouldnt even be competing with a GTX460. If you compare apples to Apples, is there such thing (currently) as a crippled or locked GTX480 out there?

I saw the comment stating that Nvidia hasnt truly come out with a great chip unlike the cypress in terms of heat, power reqs, output, and preformance, and thus far if one can compare the most successful chip alone, Nvidia had at least 6 months AFTER the Cypress came out to truly improve on their FERMI chip. This is still upsetting and even slight improvement on benchmarks and DX11 fps, ect wont make it as successful in terms of manufactoring and r and d standards in technology. 6 months is a long time regardless.

That being said, the gtx460 GF104 isnt really great either....

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